Can a Catholic be Pro-Choice with a Pro-Life agenda?

[TDiGaetano]

I was thinking about Abortion, divorce, gay marriage, and other issue that seem to be brought up in Christian groups, all saying they are bad.

Currently, we allow Abortions because the mother is not ready to have a child, the contraception failed, she was raped, the child has sort of physical disorder, and probably some other reasons.

Abortion does cause grave problems to society, but so does neglect of an individual.

With allowing abortions those women who do decide to have an abortion, have a higher chance today, to be able to survive the process, and yes some times they might not be able to have children again, but I think having proper equipment and facilities increases the chance of a woman who does have an abortion to have children in the future.

But, now Pro-choice is pushing to make abortions easier, quicker, and with out consent, so the Pro-choice is now Pro-Abortion.

A Pro-life agenda should be to make education of these women a priorty. A 13 year-old girl who gets knocked up can go get an abortion without telling her parents. At the age of 13 a child has not been given enough knowledge to know what an Abortion actually is.

I fell We should allow abortions to be done in proper facilities to prevent a woman from being a victim of malpractice, but we need to make sure the woman who is going to have an abortion is properly educated and knows what she is about to do.

This would be like drivers training, but instead of learning about the rules of the road, the individual would learn about the values of life, and the dangers of an abortion, and alternatives to having an abortion. In order to have an abortion the woman would have to attend and pass the training, to ensure she knows exactly what she is doing.

I don’t quite understand why people would have an abortion other then they feel cheated, hopeless, and lost and end up giving into it as a form of escape from somthing they precieve as bad.

I feel that if people were properly educated before being allowed to have an abortion, many people would choose life over death for the child.

 

[elvisman]

There IS no way to justify this. To do so would make you a walking hypocrisy.

We CANNOT condone abortion. To do so would be to put our stamp of approval on the murder of an innocent human being. How do you justify that? You CAN’T.

Why do you think that educating a woman about abortion, then justifying what she is about to do is right?

No - we MUST always be against this abomination as it ALWAYS offends God.

 

[Wildgraywolf]

<<Lurking Device - Disengaged >>

Sounds like a hypocritical position to hold.

<<Lurking Device - Engaged >>

 

[marietta]

“GUTTMACHER INSTITUTE
Parental Involvement in Minors’ Abortions
STATE POLICIES IN BRIEF
As of AUGUST 1, 2008
BACKGROUND: A majority of states require parental involvement in a minor’s decision to have an abortion. In light of two U.S. Supreme Court rulings that prohibit parents from having absolute veto over their daughters’ decision to have an abortion, many states require the consent or notification of only one parent, usually 24 or 48 hours before the procedure. Many parental involvement requirements also include a medical emergency exception and a judicial bypass procedure, through which a minor may receive court approval to obtain an abortion without parental involvement. Not all states adhere to this model. On the more stringent end of the spectrum, a handful of states require the consent or notification of both parents. On the other end, several states allow grandparents or other adult relatives to be involved in place of the minors’ parents, or as in Maine the law allows a minor with the guidance and counseling of an abortion provider to consent to the procedure. In cases of neglect or abuse, some states waive the consent or notification requirement altogether. State court decisions have also contributed to the diversity in requirements: Some state courts have enjoined laws they conclude violate their states’ constitutions; at the same time, similar or even more restrictive laws remain in effect in other states.
HIGHLIGHTS:
������ 35 states require some parental involvement in a minor’s decision to have an abortion.
������ 22 states require parental consent only; 2 of which require both parents to consent.
������ 11 states require parental notification only; 1 of which requires that both parents be notified.
������ 2 states require both parental consent and notification.
������ All of the 35 states that require parental involvement have an alternative process for minors seeking an abortion.
������ 35 states include a judicial bypass procedure, which allows a minor to obtain approval from a court.
������ 6 states also permit a minor to obtain an abortion if a grandparent or other adult relative is involved in the decision.
������ Most states that require parental involvement make exceptions under certain circumstances.
������ 33 states permit a minor to obtain an abortion in a medical emergency.
������ 14 states permit a minor to obtain an abortion in cases of abuse, assault, incest or neglect.”

For further accurate information regarding parental involvement in minors’ abortions, go to:

Parental Involvement in Minors’ Abortions | Guttmacher Institute

marietta

 

[Texas_Roofer]

??? what???

Can a Catholic be Pro-Choice with a Pro-Life agenda?

NO

I was thinking about Abortion, divorce, gay marriage, and other issue that seem to be brought up in Christian groups, all saying they are bad.

Currently, we allow Abortions

Abortion is legal for selfish reasons and ignorance. There is no need to have an abortion

because the mother is not ready to have a child, the contraception failed, she was raped, the child has sort of physical disorder, and probably some other reasons.

Abortion does cause grave problems to society, but so does neglect of an individual.

neglect is an option not a requirement

With allowing abortions those women who do decide to have an abortion, have a higher chance today, to be able to survive the process, and yes some times they might not be able to have children again, but I think having proper equipment and facilities increases the chance of a woman who does have an abortion to have children in the future.

But, now Pro-choice is pushing to make abortions easier, quicker, and with out consent, so the Pro-choice is now Pro-Abortion.

A Pro-life agenda should be to make education of these women a priorty. A 13 year-old girl who gets knocked up can go get an abortion without telling her parents. At the age of 13 a child has not been given enough knowledge to know what an Abortion actually is.

I fell We should allow abortions to be done in proper facilities to prevent a woman from being a victim of malpractice, but we need to make sure the woman who is going to have an abortion is properly educated and knows what she is about to do.

This would be like drivers training, but instead of learning about the rules of the road, the individual would learn about the values of life, and the dangers of an abortion, and alternatives to having an abortion. In order to have an abortion the woman would have to attend and pass the training, to ensure she knows exactly what she is doing.

I don’t quite understand why people would have an abortion other then they feel cheated, hopeless, and lost and end up giving into it as a form of escape from somthing they precieve as bad.

I feel that if people were properly educated before being allowed to have an abortion, many people would choose life over death for the child.

Would you perform these abortions?

 

[canne]

I fell We should allow abortions to be done in proper facilities to prevent a woman from being a victim of malpractice, but we need to make sure the woman who is going to have an abortion is properly educated and knows what she is about to do.

This would be like drivers training, but instead of learning about the rules of the road, the individual would learn about the values of life, and the dangers of an abortion, and alternatives to having an abortion. In order to have an abortion the woman would have to attend and pass the training, to ensure she knows exactly what she is doing.

I don’t quite understand why people would have an abortion other then they feel cheated, hopeless, and lost and end up giving into it as a form of escape from somthing they precieve as bad.

I feel that if people were properly educated before being allowed to have an abortion, many people would choose life over death for the child.

Regardless of how one spins it, an abortion is the ending of an innocent life. I would agree that many would choose life over death if given the information…however many would not.One innocent life ended is one to many and I disagree that abortions should be allowed at all.

 

[marietta]

neglect is an option not a requirement

So is abortion.

marietta

 

[mlchance]

“Can a Catholic be Pro-Choice with a Pro-Life agenda?”

Not in good conscience.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Griff]

It also must be recognized that that every unborn child has a basic right to life. Granted, it is not recognized under current law, but it is there under natural law. The rights we currently enjoy today in our country are based on that, and is cited in the Declaration of Independence.

It amazes me that in these “enlightened” times that we still have to fight for the most basic of rights.

 

[nsm]

I do not think that a Catholic or any moral person can support abortion in any way - to me that is like an abolitionist supporting the rights of slave owners to be educated that they are holding human beings captive and then give them the choice whether or not to do so.

Yet, something similar has been on my mind. I am staunchly pro-life, and have always been since as long as I can remember. I am currently a grad student and my adviser (who is pro-choice) brought up something that got me thinking. Since abortion was legalized in the United States the wings of hospitals in which dying women who had undergone botched abortions have disappeared. In the years when abortion was illegal, police officers would go to these wings to get a deathbed confession out of these women in order to certify that they had an abortion (it is my understanding that some of these hapless dying women had just had complications from undiagnosed miscarriages) and to ferret out the abortionists. If abortion is made illegal once more (something that I heartily desire) will every woman who has a miscarriage be under suspicion of possible illegal abortion? I couldn’t imagine the pain of having a miscarriage compounded by the suspicion that I willingly took the life of my little baby.

How can the future that we imagine where babies are not murdered also be one that ensures pregnant women will not be held under surveillance as well?

 

[rpp]

A Catholic who assists in a procurred abortion is automatically excommunicated.

A Catholic cannot be “pro-choice”. A Catholic cannot support abortion in any circumstance.

Period. End of discussion.

 

[stefania88]

YES. A catholic can be Pro-choice. I support homosexual people because I believe God made them. So people need to stop saying that God made everything because if God made everything, he made homosexuals too. So get over it. And abortion? Abortion is a life saving thing. If a girl decides to have sex at a young age and gets pregnant, a pregnancy will RUIN her life. But if a woman is ready for a child, but isn’t planning on it, THEN its wrong to abort. I just think that abortion is something that CAN be used in order to prevent a lot of disruption in ones life. If God forbid I got pregnant, I know I’m not ready for a child. So I would abort it. But I wouldn’t carelessly get pregnant and use abortion as an easy way out. In my opinion theres nothing wrong with being pro choice. (and by the way, I respect every ones opposing opinions, but ever hear of separation of church and state?)

 

[rpp]

YES. A catholic can be Pro-choice and Pro-life. Because thats what I am. I support homosexual people because I believe God made them. So people need to stop saying that God made everything because if God made everything, he made homosexuals too. So get over it. And abortion? Abortion is a life saving thing. If a girl decides to have sex at a young age and gets pregnant, a pregnancy will RUIN her life. But if a woman is ready for a child, but isn’t planning on it, THEN its wrong to abort.

Supporting an activity that results in an automatic excommunication is consistent with Catholic morals? Hogwash.

Suggesting that we should murder people because there is a chance that someone’s life might be less comfortable is just sick.

The person who made this post has stated a position in direct opposition to the Catholic Church. This person should not receive Holy Communion until they repent and form their conscience so that it is consistent with what the Church teaches.

When one disagrees with an unchanging teaching of the Catholic Church, one ceases to be Catholic and becomes a Protestant.

Such a person brings shame onto the Catholic faithful.

 

[pooka]

Hi, I’m a faithful Roman Catholic, however i have a side job as a Surrogate mother for homosexual men who wish to start a family. I need the money to support my family, however everytime I take an offer i feel guilty

and I also believe that Abortion is wrong, because you’re killing God’s beautiful gift to you! and I do not befriend homosexuals i actually am thinking about quiting that side job. I’ve been praying to god and god has told me to shun the non-believers. Homosexuality + Abortion is a sin, an act against god and life.

 

[stefania88]

Sweetie, aborting a fetus is not killing a person. Within the first few weeks of a pregnancy, ITS NOT A BABY SO ITS NOT KILLING.

 

[pooka]

alright alright alright let me get real lemme stop all these pretenses. alright so heres the real deal. the realness. 100 percent realness. most catholic priests are the ones that molest the alter boys and don’t try to disagree with that because i was an alter boy in 4th grade for a catholic church, second, prayer and communication with god truly brings you peace? yeah okay what about the catcholics that are getting blown up in iraq who sang god bless america everyday or atleast prayed hoping to return home to their families? come on now. this is all so ridiculous, i can go on and on all day, arguing with religious people is so pointless and redundant, because most of your arguments come from a book that just looks nice cause of the paper. like come on stop being so uptight and paint a picture like bob ross does. and stop watching kiddie porn then praying to god for forgivness. does anyone know the true meaning of the word Catholic? it means “broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal.” psh you guys are the polar opposite of that. and you hypocritical catholics should be ashamed of yourselves, going to public bathrooms and sticking your dicks through a hole. tsk tsk tsk, what would your wife think?

 

[stefania88]

Pooka, I have to agree with you completely. I, myself, am a Catholic and I come from a Catholic family. But I can’t help but disagree with some many things that the Catholic church teaches. I mean, whatever happened to separation of Church and State? Catholics say they are pro-life, yet they support being in Iraq killing innocent people. And the Catholic priests who molest young boys. THATS NOT ONLY HOMOSEXUALITY BUT ALSO PREMARITAL SEX. These supposed “devout Catholics” need to open their eyes. To me, it pretty much comes down to this, I respect ever person of faiths opinion, beliefs and faith (of all religions and my Religion) because I worship too, but I agree when you say, that they have to open their eyes and see that a book doesn’t dictate what goes on in this world. People are going to do what they want, and NEVER ever use a book to dictate someone elses life and choices. Respect eachothers faith, but NEVER try to impress your own faith onto someone else. Basically, if I support homosexuality or abortion and you dont, get over it, I still respect your belief and you MUST respect mine.

 

[rpp]

But I can’t help but disagree with some many things that the Catholic church teaches.

Then you are a Protestant.

 

[stefania88]

No I’m not a Protestant. I just have a realist view on life. Not a stuck in my little Catholic world view on life. Get real, this is the 21st century.

 

[rpp]

No I’m not a Protestant. I just have a realist view on life. Not a stuck in my little Catholic world view on life. Get real, this is the 21st century.

So God changed His mind is that it? Or is it that you are smarter than He is? I mean, wheren do you get thisn that is is not a baby for a few weeks? There is no medical or theological basis for this. You are just trying to assuage your conscience about supporting more murders than Hitler.