Can a Catholic be Pro-Choice with a Pro-Life agenda?

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stefania88 said:
I respect ever person of faiths opinion, beliefs and faith (of all religions and my Religion) because I worship too, but I agree when you say, that they have to open their eyes and see that a book doesn’t dictate what goes on in this world. People are going to do what they want, and NEVER ever use a book to dictate someone elses life and choices.
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You are right, people are going to do what they want. This is the essence of the gospel - it is a choice to love God or a choice not to. Catholics can choose against God in their actions as well. But please don’t say that you respect every person of faith’s opinion because you don’t. You don’t fully respect the Catholic opinion, which of course is your right. But you should realize that you are judging certain Catholics for intolerance and for following a “book,” while you yourself are intolerant of people who do choose to follow what the Church teaches, and essentially you follow your own opinion which is more than likely formed in a mind that has only been conscious for at most one hundred years.
stefania88 said:
Respect eachothers faith, but NEVER try to impress your own faith onto someone else. Basically, if I support homosexuality or abortion and you dont, get over it, I still respect your belief and you MUST respect mine.
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You have the right to your choice, but I don’t have to “get over it,” nor “MUST” I respect it. I do not respect the opinion that Jews should have been exterminated in the holocaust, or that eugenics is acceptable. I am so thankful that people didn’t just “get over it” when black people were enslaved in the South and continue to respect the “rights” of southern slave owners to hold human beings in bondage because that was their own personal belief. Truth is not a subjective thing, but everyone has a choice whether or not to accept it.
 
rpp:

Why doesn’t the Catholic Church make divorce this easy?

“Period. End of discussion.” Apparently not.

marietta
 
stefania88 said:
Sweetie, aborting a fetus is not killing a person. Within the first few weeks of a pregnancy, ITS NOT A BABY SO ITS NOT KILLING.
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Just because you give it another name, doesn’t mean that it is not a baby. So just because they are a few weeks old a person can be killed. Did you know in Rome that if a baby was born and the father did not name it then it could be thrown on a trash heap. For us it is a few weeks of preganancy and the word “fetus”, for the Romans it was nine months and the Father’s sign off that the baby was indeed human enough to survive. Who’s right? I think that I will go with the Spouse of Christ, and the Lord Himself who said, that when he knit us in our mother’s womb He knew us.
 
rpp said:
A Catholic who assists in a procurred abortion is automatically excommunicated.
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This is the idea I was referring to in my last post; there was such a flurry of posting that I guess the continuity was lost.

The notion that anything dramatic comes automatically in the Catholic Church is hard to swallow. With divorce between a man and woman who married civilly, the Church still claims territorial rights over whether or not they are truly divorced, whether or not the circumstances which lead up to the divorce are within the parameters of irreconcilability, that the man and woman may not remarry without an annulment process - and this is after the Church has claimed that the union would not be sanctioned by God, that God was absent at the time of the civil ceremony. But if somebody holds an oxygen mask over the face of a woman having an abortion, he or she is “automatically excommunicated”? Why is this “offense” shipped through the “fast lane”?

Sounds like wanting your cake and eating it, too. Arbitrary measurements, random violation assessments - the more I read about Catholicism, the things Sister Fred Agnes never told the kiddies in my catechism class, the more furious I get at how the whole Catholic package seems to be so fluffy white and angelic on the outside with not even a trace of “caveat emptor” until one is sucked into the gut of the control center of the Church.

Protestantism sounds more Christian that Catholicism to me.

marietta

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i see your points everyone. but you know what, thats my personal opinion. and to say i’m not catholic because i support abortion and homosexuality is pretty messed up on your part. i am Catholic and I never said God is wrong. I pray to God every night and I try to listen to him as well. I’m going through a stage where I don’t know if I have any faith in God…and thats my opinion. I just think that people in this forum try to impress their beliefs on others too much. Maybe thats my opinion and my opinion in politics is mine as well.
 
Marietta, I COMPLETELY agree with you. I am a Catholic…yet I am also an educated realistic person. The Catholic church in the past has been tainted so much and the people are tainted so much from it nowadays. There is absolutely no separation of Church and state.
 
A true loving Catholic would see a person who had an abortion and love them anyway and take care of them and guide them and allow them to repent for their sins not “excommunicate” them. That is just sickening to me, that is not true Catholicism. Thats disgusting.
 
stefania88 said:
A true loving Catholic would see a person who had an abortion and love them anyway and take care of them and guide them and allow them to repent for their sins not “excommunicate” them. That is just sickening to me, that is not true Catholicism. Thats disgusting.
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Actually that is eactly what the Church teaches and exactly what the overwhelming number of Catholics do. Since you claim to be Catholic but seem to support abortion I would not put much stock in what you define as “true Catholics”
 
Yea, so your saying the catholic church excommunicates people too? I don’t think so. You don’t know me, so dont tell me I’m not Catholic.
 
stefania88 said:
Yea, so your saying the catholic church excommunicates people too? I don’t think so. You don’t know me, so dont tell me I’m not Catholic.
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You are the one who was defining what a “true Catholic” was. Evidently, per you, true catholics are those who are enlightened , realizes we are in the 21st century and see nothing wrong with abortion, homosexuality and pre-marital sex.

In an earlier post you said you were having problems with your faith-well i submit when you start willy nilly rejecting any teachings that dont fit your worldview it would be hard not to lose faith.

How about you first learn excatly what it is the Church you profess to belong to actaully teaches? A good place to start is here. scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

If you have any questions there are lots of people here willing to answer them.
 
Honestly, this website has shown me enough of the ignorance of Catholic people. I don’t need another website. I stand behind my views, and I know some Priests who I could talk to. Its just all so hypocritical on the Catholic Church’s side. Politics and Religion don’t go together.
 
stefania88 said:
Honestly, this website has shown me enough of the ignorance of Catholic people. I don’t need another website. I stand behind my views, and I know some Priests who I could talk to. Its just all so hypocritical on the Catholic Church’s side. Politics and Religion don’t go together.
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So what teachings of the Church do you claim we are ignorant of?
You can stand by your views all you-just dont claim that they are in any way shape or form comaptible with what the Church teaches.

BTW-please dont use the “I know Priests who agree with me” line. That is the CAF equivalet of the old “everybody else does it” excuse we tried to run by our parents when we were kids.
 
I’m sorry, but where in my post did I say “priests agree with me”. Don’t put words in my mouth.
 
stefania88 said:
Honestly, this website has shown me enough of the ignorance of Catholic people. I don’t need another website. I stand behind my views, and I know some Priests who I could talk to. Its just all so hypocritical on the Catholic Church’s side. Politics and Religion don’t go together.
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Catholics are ignorant? Why. because they disagree with you?
You are free to “stand behind your views,” but why be offended when people tell you that your views are contrary to Catholic teaching? I may disagree with the findings of the Supreme Court, but I do not say that i can say what is or is not lawful under American law. Likewise , you do not have the right to define what is or is not Catholic doctrine. That must be left to the Church.

Unfortunately, yiu are not alone in your feeling that you have a right to dissent or, more seriously, to disobey. Many Catholics feel as you do, that the bishops are “old-fashioned and” out of touch." They then both dissent and disobey, because there seems to be no one to hold them to account, or that because they are numerous, they are safe from condemnation. But the claim of the Catholic Church is that she teaches us the Truth, and is backed in her claim by Our Lord Himself. Whether you are A Catholic, I cannot say. But I do know that no one who denies the authority of the Church is peaking as a Catholic.
 
stefania88 said:
Sweetie, aborting a fetus is not killing a person. Within the first few weeks of a pregnancy, ITS NOT A BABY SO ITS NOT KILLING.
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Actually, science disagrees with you, sweetheart. Each cell, from conception onward, is marked with its own chromosomal structure and genetic code marking it as human. So, you’re wrong there.
 
stefania88 said:
Honestly, this website has shown me enough of the ignorance of Catholic people. I don’t need another website. I stand behind my views, and I know some Priests who I could talk to. Its just all so hypocritical on the Catholic Church’s side. Politics and Religion don’t go together.
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Dear Stefania,

I understand how frustrating it is when you are trying to give your honest opinions and it feels like people are just attacking you. I remember coming home once a few years after college and trying to have a conversation with my parents about some of my questions as to whether or not homosexuality is a sin or not. It was very heated, and in the end, both me and my husband were painted as almost not even Christian (and the worst part of it was that it ended up on a online web board). You have the right to question and struggle, but don’t let it separate you from your family. We are part of the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and we all need each other - how can the eye say to the hand I don’t need you. I was soo steamed at my parents because they didn’t understand me and hurt me deeply by questioning my faith but they were still my parents who loved me when I couldn’t even take care of myself. We are one big family, and right now there are people loving and praying for you that you don’t even know, and have been praying for us - both on earth and in heaven - even before we could understand who we are. I would recommend that you take your questions first to Our Blessed Lord in the Holy Sacrament knowing that he always meets people where they are at. Then prayerfully look up the places in the Catechism that relate to abortion, sex, homosexuality. Pray to the Holy Spirit for understanding. I will remember you in my prayers, and I hope that you will do the same for me.
 
stefania88 said:
Honestly, this website has shown me enough of the ignorance of Catholic people. I don’t need another website. I stand behind my views, and I know some Priests who I could talk to. Its just all so hypocritical on the Catholic Church’s side. Politics and Religion don’t go together.
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Stefania -
**How old are you? The reason I ask is because you come off as somebody who has absolutely no idea what it means to be a Catholic. **

**Somebody who has lived a litle longer and has had time to really study the faith of the Church would know that most of what you have said does, in fact, make you a Protestant - and not a very good one at that. **

Every Protestant denomination that I know if condemns abortion and does not make the points you are attempting to make about religion and politics.

Abortion is an abomination in the eyes of God. It doesn’t matter how far along the child is. Therefore, you CANNOT be a Catholic and Pro-Abortion.
 
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