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Wesrock
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A civil divorce is contrary to a sacramental marriage. The sacramental marriage doesn’t end if a civil divorce is obtained.
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MarthaSo
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Oh. I will have to reread when my mind is not so tired. Thank you all.
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Convert3
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I had a civil divorce from a Catholic and remarried to another Catholic six years later. We decided to convalidate our marriage two years ago, so I began the annulment process immediately and it took four months.
It was hard remembering the details, but I had to explain the issues that led to our divorce after 13 years of marriage. I also had to have four witnesses to answer written questions that knew us before and after the marriage. A few weeks after the paperwork was submitted to the Archdiocese, I was called in to the Marriage Tribunal for an interview, which was mainly to go over the paperwork I submitted and to answer any questions they had to clear things up.
I didn’t have to paint a picture of my ex being an evil person and didn’t want to. Some of my witnesses were her family, and I just told them to answer the questions truthfully and they could paint me as the bad guy if they felt I was one. I suppose some of the things I discussed with them showed indications of being a problem before we married, but most was her physical and emotional abandonment, and emotional abuse, after the marriage.
I don’t have any advice except if the marriage fails, try for the annulment. It’s harder the longer you wait.
Now I’m Catholic and my wife is thrilled. I’m extremely blessed in this marriage. Life is good.
It was hard remembering the details, but I had to explain the issues that led to our divorce after 13 years of marriage. I also had to have four witnesses to answer written questions that knew us before and after the marriage. A few weeks after the paperwork was submitted to the Archdiocese, I was called in to the Marriage Tribunal for an interview, which was mainly to go over the paperwork I submitted and to answer any questions they had to clear things up.
I didn’t have to paint a picture of my ex being an evil person and didn’t want to. Some of my witnesses were her family, and I just told them to answer the questions truthfully and they could paint me as the bad guy if they felt I was one. I suppose some of the things I discussed with them showed indications of being a problem before we married, but most was her physical and emotional abandonment, and emotional abuse, after the marriage.
I don’t have any advice except if the marriage fails, try for the annulment. It’s harder the longer you wait.
Now I’m Catholic and my wife is thrilled. I’m extremely blessed in this marriage. Life is good.
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MarthaSo
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The sacramental marriage ends if an annulment is granted? (no matter the years married?)
Thanks for your patience with my level of understanding.
I was confused because I thought someone send an annulment can only occur before a sacramental/Catholic church marriage.
Thanks for your patience with my level of understanding.
I was confused because I thought someone send an annulment can only occur before a sacramental/Catholic church marriage.
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Convert3
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My second marriage was by a Protestant minister, not in a Catholic Church. Seventeen years later we had it Blessed in the Catholic Church (convalidated) after my annulment and my wife went to confession. I was in RCIA during this and became Catholic last year at the Easter vigil.
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MarthaSo
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God bless you and your family, thank you for sharing and may your marriage be blessed always.
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TheLittleLady
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All Sacramental Marriages are Valid Marriages.
Not all Valid Marriages are Sacramental. There are millions of valid natural marriages.
A Valid Marriage (unless unconsummated) cannot be “annulled”.
What is commonly known as “annulment” is actually a “Decree of Nullity”. It is the result of an investigation into a marriage to see if at the wedding a valid marriage was the result (either Sacramental or Natural marriage).
So, no, an annulment does not touch a Sacramental marriage.
Not all Valid Marriages are Sacramental. There are millions of valid natural marriages.
A Valid Marriage (unless unconsummated) cannot be “annulled”.
What is commonly known as “annulment” is actually a “Decree of Nullity”. It is the result of an investigation into a marriage to see if at the wedding a valid marriage was the result (either Sacramental or Natural marriage).
So, no, an annulment does not touch a Sacramental marriage.
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Rutherford2
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Does verbal abuse and unfaithful husband to the wife constitute a valid civil divorce?
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TheLittleLady
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That is a question for your pastor.
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Wesrock
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An annulment means there never was a marriage to begin with. It doesn’t end a marriage. It finds that one never existed.The sacramental marriage ends if an annulment is granted? (no matter the years married?)
Thanks for your patience with my level of understanding.
I was confused because I thought someone send an annulment can only occur before a sacramental/Catholic church marriage.
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Wesrock
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That is best discussed with someone with pastoral training and dependent upon individual circumstances. I can certainly imagine it being a good reason in many cases, but I am not comfortable making a blanket statement.Does verbal abuse and unfaithful husband to the wife constitute a valid civil divorce?
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MarthaSo
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Thank you so much. My last question is, if you don’t mind, if an annulment does not touch or invalidate a sacramental marriage than how does the Catholic church break a sacramental marriage?
I guess I’m confused because Catholics have gotten married in the Catholic church , then divorced and then remarried.
I guess I’m confused because Catholics have gotten married in the Catholic church , then divorced and then remarried.
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Wesrock
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A valid sacramental marriage can’t be broken. Either the marriage was found to have never been contracted (annulment) or it is valid and exists so long as both spouse’s live, unable to be broken.Thank you so much. My last question is, if you don’t mind, if an annulment does not touch or invalidate a sacramental marriage than how does the Catholic church break a sacramental marriage?
I guess I’m confused because Catholics have gotten married in the Catholic church , then divorced and then remarried.
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TheLittleLady
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It does not. A valid Sacramental marriage lasts until one spouse dies.Thank you so much. My last question is, if you don’t mind, if an annulment does not touch or invalidate a sacramental marriage than how does the Catholic church break a sacramental marriage?
Those people have submitted their prior attempt at marriage for review to the Tribunal. The Tribunal has found that there was some defect at the time of the wedding, so, there never was a valid, Sacramental marriage.I guess I’m confused because Catholics have gotten married in the Catholic church , then divorced and then remarr
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MarthaSo
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I see, I actually know someone , a family member, married in the church (and civilly about 45 years ago)that got a civil divorce and remarried civilly twice. He left the second woman as well. As I’m learning more about the faith I always thought of him and thought he’s still married to his first wife. Anyway, God have mercy on us.
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Rutherford2
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Is it null if the wife is a Buddhist married to a catholic husband in a church?
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lilypadrees
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The Bible says not to marry again while your ex is still living.
My parents divorced when I was 7. Daddy went on to marry 2 more times without annulling his first two marriages. My mother remained single and wouldn’t even date other men. She had a family to raise and a full time job which she took seriously.
Daddy passed away in 2008. I had Masses said for him locally and in the small town he lived in at the time of his death.
When I phoned his priest to have a Mass said for him there and told him who I was, he asked for my forgiveness because he had married my father and his last wife. He said wouldn’t have done that if he he’d known of Daddy’s previous marriages. He’d been told that Daddy was a lifelong single who’d found love late in life.
We take marriage seriously in the Catholic Church. In the eyes of the Church, the only valid marriage Daddy had was with my mother. Catholics can and do get divorced. But without an annulment, we can’t validly remarry in the Catholic Church.
My parents divorced when I was 7. Daddy went on to marry 2 more times without annulling his first two marriages. My mother remained single and wouldn’t even date other men. She had a family to raise and a full time job which she took seriously.
Daddy passed away in 2008. I had Masses said for him locally and in the small town he lived in at the time of his death.
When I phoned his priest to have a Mass said for him there and told him who I was, he asked for my forgiveness because he had married my father and his last wife. He said wouldn’t have done that if he he’d known of Daddy’s previous marriages. He’d been told that Daddy was a lifelong single who’d found love late in life.
We take marriage seriously in the Catholic Church. In the eyes of the Church, the only valid marriage Daddy had was with my mother. Catholics can and do get divorced. But without an annulment, we can’t validly remarry in the Catholic Church.
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MarthaSo
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Lilipadrees, thank you for sharing. God bless your beautiful mother and may your father’s soul rest in the peace of the Lord.
My understanding from reading the responses is that it is possible to remarry as a Catholic before the spouse dies if you get an annulment because an annulment indicates there was no valid marriage to begin with (even if the marriage lasted several years) due to whatever documentation is given to the Tribunal.
My understanding from reading the responses is that it is possible to remarry as a Catholic before the spouse dies if you get an annulment because an annulment indicates there was no valid marriage to begin with (even if the marriage lasted several years) due to whatever documentation is given to the Tribunal.
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Wesrock
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A Catholic and a Buddhist can have a valid marriage. A dispensation must be given by the Bishop to do so, but it is valid. If the marriage was celebrated by a Catholic priest or deacon we can assume he did all the necessary paperwork. Nowadays it’s more a matter of just getting the paperwork done. You’re not likely to see a “no.”Is it null if the wife is a Buddhist married to a catholic husband in a church?
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HeDa
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The Catholic Church talks about two different kinds of marriages - sacramental and natural marriages.
A sacramental marriage is if both spouses are baptised.
A natural marriage is if only one of the spouses is baptised. If the non baptised spouse is baptised then the marriage will become sacramental.
A natural marriage is also if both spouses are not baptised. If both spouses are baptised then the marriage will also become sacramental.
A sacramental marriage is if both spouses are baptised.
A natural marriage is if only one of the spouses is baptised. If the non baptised spouse is baptised then the marriage will become sacramental.
A natural marriage is also if both spouses are not baptised. If both spouses are baptised then the marriage will also become sacramental.
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