Can a demon posses a priest?

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I was chatting with the priest down at the local (catholic) church last week. We were talking about how demons opporate in temptation and attack, and he told me about how they hate praise of God. Consequently he told me that the Glory Be is kind of like a 9-iron to the head as far as demons are concerned but that’s neither here nor there…

Anyway, he was telling me about a bishop and a gaggle of priests from different countries that had some kind of function. At the end of the function, they decided to praise God together, and each started to speak praise in their own naitive laungage. This all went fine until one of the priests in back started snarling and growling. The bishop concluded that this particular priest was possessed he told the other priests to continue praising and he went to help the possessed priest…

This… doesn’t sit right with me. How can a priest who regularly conducts Mass, and is constantly handling and consuming the Eucharist on possibly a daily basis become possessed? If Jesus is really present in the Eucharist, then wouldn’t that harm a possessed person to recieve the Eucharist, or heal them of demonic possession?

Can a demonically possessed priest even actually /consecrate/ the bread and wine in the first place? That story sounds a little fishy to me. I don’t think the priest I talked to was lying, but it is possible that he got the story a little mixed up or more likely I misunderstood. So my question, is that even possible? The only thing I could come up with was maybe that particular priest was assigned to some other ministry and wasn’t required to conduct Mass regularly, in which case he might not have the added protection of regular communions. Any thoughts?
 
Yes such is possible.

More on the very unlikely side.

But* possible*.
 
Yes such is possible.

More on the very unlikely side.

But* possible*.
Now here’s the why, OP:

There are four principal causes that may cause one to fall victim to demonic possession.

Pure Divine Permission
Clearly, nothing happens without divine permission, but God never wills evil, suffering, or temptation. He gave us freedom and allows the existence of evil, but knows how to turn it into good. When he gives the demon his permission to torment us, he does so to strengthen us in virtue, as in the biblical example of Job, as well as of many blesseds and saints. We must keep in mind that diabolical harassment in itself has nothing to do with the state of grace of its victims.

Subject to a Curse
Here, too, the victim is innocent, but there is culpability on the part of whoever casts and/or commissions the curse. By the word curse, I mean the intention of harming others through demonic intervention. This can be achieved in many ways: malefice (or spell), binding, evil eye, malediction, and so on. The matter is serious, but we need to be on guard against misconceptions. By their nature, curses lend themselves to all sorts of abuses, especially when we consider the current escalation in the number of frauds, suggestions, manias, and more.

Grave Hardening of Sin
Judas Iscariot is the classical Gospel example. The many individuals who abandon themselves to sexual perversions, violence, and drugs fall into this group. The heinous crime of abortion aggravates this situation; its terrible repercussions are clearly seen during exorcisms, because to liberate a victim who is guilty of abortion usually requires a very long period of time. Due to the current devastation of the family and the laxity of morals, the repercussions that stem from the scourge of abortion are much more common than in the past. When we take all these factors into account, we can understand why the number of individuals stricken by evil ailments has multiplied.

**
Proximity to Evil Places or Persons**
This includes attending spiritualistic session, dabbling in magic, or consulting magicians, witch doctors, and some card readers; also, practicing the occult, belonging to satanic sects, or practicing in rites that climax with black masses, and so on, put us at great risk.

To this category we can add the influence of mass media, such as pornographic shows and violent horror movies broadcast by many TV stations. We witness the effects of the widespread presence of rock music, culminating in satanic rock performed in what we could easily refer to as “churches or rock”, such as stadiums, parks, and discothèques. We should not be surprised that, today, there is an explosion of these activities: a decline in faith life is directly connected to an increase in superstitions. I will not tire or repeating that members of the clergy have done nothing to oppose, or at least warn against, all these evils, because they are completely ignorant even of what the Bible explicitly says on the subject. This forth category has greatly contributed to the increase in evil ailments in the last decades, especially among the young.

stmichael.pair.com/exorcismschurch.html#how

Hope this helped.
 
:o True.

Whose influence do you think priests and pastors are under when they sexually molest preteen and teen boys?

Or, a priest who celebrates Eucharist and then gets on the computer to watch child porn.
 
:o True.

Whose influence do you think priests and pastors are under when they sexually molest preteen and teen boys?

Or, a priest who celebrates Eucharist and then gets on the computer to watch child porn.
Hahaha

Score 1 for anti-religionists.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

That is so true.

Personally, I dont believe in ghosts, or spirits, or deamons, etc.
My personal belief regarding such nonsense is that it is merely a superstitious hold-over from the Dark Ages and the Medieval Ages. I do believe that Satan and his agents of evil do posses people, but I think they do it more in the form of corruption, paranoia, abuse of power, deciet, lies, treachery, betrayal, will to commit violence, strife, etc…I think it works in that way, more than taking a physical form or so-called…“possesion” :rolleyes:

If that offends anyone, I do apologize, but thats just my opinion on it. 👍
 
I was chatting with the priest down at the local (catholic) church last week. We were talking about how demons opporate in temptation and attack, and he told me about how they hate praise of God. Consequently he told me that the Glory Be is kind of like a 9-iron to the head as far as demons are concerned but that’s neither here nor there…

Anyway, he was telling me about a bishop and a gaggle of priests from different countries that had some kind of function. At the end of the function, they decided to praise God together, and each started to speak praise in their own naitive laungage. This all went fine until one of the priests in back started snarling and growling. The bishop concluded that this particular priest was possessed he told the other priests to continue praising and he went to help the possessed priest…

This… doesn’t sit right with me. How can a priest who regularly conducts Mass, and is constantly handling and consuming the Eucharist on possibly a daily basis become possessed? If Jesus is really present in the Eucharist, then wouldn’t that harm a possessed person to recieve the Eucharist, or heal them of demonic possession?

Can a demonically possessed priest even actually /consecrate/ the bread and wine in the first place? That story sounds a little fishy to me. I don’t think the priest I talked to was lying, but it is possible that he got the story a little mixed up or more likely I misunderstood. So my question, is that even possible? The only thing I could come up with was maybe that particular priest was assigned to some other ministry and wasn’t required to conduct Mass regularly, in which case he might not have the added protection of regular communions. Any thoughts?
Yes, it is possible. Keep in mind that possession doesn’t necessarily mean that the soul of the one possessed is in mortal sin (and even a priest in mortal sin can validly confect the Eucharist). I addressed this and gave an example from history of a holy priest who was possesed for 12 years here:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7248845&postcount=9
 
Now here’s the why, OP:

There are four principal causes that may cause one to fall victim to demonic possession.

Pure Divine Permission
Clearly, nothing happens without divine permission, but God never wills evil, suffering, or temptation. He gave us freedom and allows the existence of evil, but knows how to turn it into good. When he gives the demon his permission to torment us, he does so to strengthen us in virtue, as in the biblical example of Job, as well as of many blesseds and saints. We must keep in mind that diabolical harassment in itself has nothing to do with the state of grace of its victims.

Subject to a Curse
Here, too, the victim is innocent, but there is culpability on the part of whoever casts and/or commissions the curse. By the word curse, I mean the intention of harming others through demonic intervention. This can be achieved in many ways: malefice (or spell), binding, evil eye, malediction, and so on. The matter is serious, but we need to be on guard against misconceptions. By their nature, curses lend themselves to all sorts of abuses, especially when we consider the current escalation in the number of frauds, suggestions, manias, and more.

Grave Hardening of Sin
Judas Iscariot is the classical Gospel example. The many individuals who abandon themselves to sexual perversions, violence, and drugs fall into this group. The heinous crime of abortion aggravates this situation; its terrible repercussions are clearly seen during exorcisms, because to liberate a victim who is guilty of abortion usually requires a very long period of time. Due to the current devastation of the family and the laxity of morals, the repercussions that stem from the scourge of abortion are much more common than in the past. When we take all these factors into account, we can understand why the number of individuals stricken by evil ailments has multiplied.

**
Proximity to Evil Places or Persons**
This includes attending spiritualistic session, dabbling in magic, or consulting magicians, witch doctors, and some card readers; also, practicing the occult, belonging to satanic sects, or practicing in rites that climax with black masses, and so on, put us at great risk.

To this category we can add the influence of mass media, such as pornographic shows and violent horror movies broadcast by many TV stations. We witness the effects of the widespread presence of rock music, culminating in satanic rock performed in what we could easily refer to as “churches or rock”, such as stadiums, parks, and discothèques. We should not be surprised that, today, there is an explosion of these activities: a decline in faith life is directly connected to an increase in superstitions. I will not tire or repeating that members of the clergy have done nothing to oppose, or at least warn against, all these evils, because they are completely ignorant even of what the Bible explicitly says on the subject. This forth category has greatly contributed to the increase in evil ailments in the last decades, especially among the young.

stmichael.pair.com/exorcismschurch.html#how

Hope this helped.
Wow, you REALLY know your Malleus Maleficarum! Hahaha
😛
 
=Jesness;7259484]I was chatting with the priest down at the local (catholic) church last week. We were talking about how demons opporate in temptation and attack, and he told me about how they hate praise of God. Consequently he told me that the Glory Be is kind of like a 9-iron to the head as far as demons are concerned but that’s neither here nor there…
Anyway, he was telling me about a bishop and a gaggle of priests from different countries that had some kind of function. At the end of the function, they decided to praise God together, and each started to speak praise in their own naitive laungage. This all went fine until one of the priests in back started snarling and growling. The bishop concluded that this particular priest was possessed he told the other priests to continue praising and he went to help the possessed priest…
This… doesn’t sit right with me. How can a priest who regularly conducts Mass, and is constantly handling and consuming the Eucharist on possibly a daily basis become possessed? If Jesus is really present in the Eucharist, then wouldn’t that harm a possessed person to recieve the Eucharist, or heal them of demonic possession?
Can a demonically possessed priest even actually /consecrate/ the bread and wine in the first place? That story sounds a little fishy to me. I don’t think the priest I talked to was lying, but it is possible that he got the story a little mixed up or more likely I misunderstood. So my question, is that even possible? The only thing I could come up with was maybe that particular priest was assigned to some other ministry and wasn’t required to conduct Mass regularly, in which case he might not have the added protection of regular communions. Any thoughts?
Perhaps dear friend this reminder will put things in perspective?

JUDAS [one of the 12 Apostles betrayed Christ]

Both the Saduces and the Pharisees, Priest and a very religious group denied Christ and plotted to have Him murdered.

While we cannot Judge; one wonders about the possible satanic possession of the priest who caused the “sex scandal.”

Truth is we are all HUMAN, we all have the effects of Original sin residing in us; and all of us CAN, if we are not prayerful and careful fall into Satans mny devious traps.

Priest receive many graces not offered to he rest of us; but grace can be refused, even by the best of us.

May God Contine to guide and protect us and His Church!

FYI… Even a priest is serious sin, does not invalidate the Mass. “In Him, With Him, and through Him [God].”

We ougt to pray daly for our Pope, Bishops and priest.
 
Personally, I dont believe in ghosts, or spirits, or deamons, etc.
My personal belief regarding such nonsense is that it is merely a superstitious hold-over from the Dark Ages and the Medieval Ages. I do believe that Satan and his agents of evil do posses people, but I think they do it more in the form of corruption, paranoia, abuse of power, deciet, lies, treachery, betrayal, will to commit violence, strife, etc…I think it works in that way, more than taking a physical form or so-called…“possesion” :rolleyes:

If that offends anyone, I do apologize, but thats just my opinion on it. 👍
That demons exist is a teaching of the Church. (but you seem to accept this later in the post) That they possess people at times…is a fact…hence we have a new rite of exorcism from 1999…and exorcists will tell you such is very real.
 
But thats just my opinion on it. 👍
Sure, you can have your opinion of it, but Satan and his minions can and do fully bodily possess human beings. That’s not an opinion. That’s fact. And you should accept it as such sooner rather than later.

And yes, I know all about how the Church is able to hammer witches, demons, dragons, anything I’m missing? 😛
 
Now here’s the why, OP:

There are four principal causes that may cause one to fall victim to demonic possession.

Pure Divine Permission
Clearly, nothing happens without divine permission, but God never wills evil, suffering, or temptation. He gave us freedom and allows the existence of evil, but knows how to turn it into good. When he gives the demon his permission to torment us, he does so to strengthen us in virtue, as in the biblical example of Job, as well as of many blesseds and saints. We must keep in mind that diabolical harassment in itself has nothing to do with the state of grace of its victims.

Subject to a Curse
Here, too, the victim is innocent, but there is culpability on the part of whoever casts and/or commissions the curse. By the word curse, I mean the intention of harming others through demonic intervention. This can be achieved in many ways: malefice (or spell), binding, evil eye, malediction, and so on. The matter is serious, but we need to be on guard against misconceptions. By their nature, curses lend themselves to all sorts of abuses, especially when we consider the current escalation in the number of frauds, suggestions, manias, and more.

Grave Hardening of Sin
Judas Iscariot is the classical Gospel example. The many individuals who abandon themselves to sexual perversions, violence, and drugs fall into this group. The heinous crime of abortion aggravates this situation; its terrible repercussions are clearly seen during exorcisms, because to liberate a victim who is guilty of abortion usually requires a very long period of time. Due to the current devastation of the family and the laxity of morals, the repercussions that stem from the scourge of abortion are much more common than in the past. When we take all these factors into account, we can understand why the number of individuals stricken by evil ailments has multiplied.

**
Proximity to Evil Places or Persons**
This includes attending spiritualistic session, dabbling in magic, or consulting magicians, witch doctors, and some card readers; also, practicing the occult, belonging to satanic sects, or practicing in rites that climax with black masses, and so on, put us at great risk.

To this category we can add the influence of mass media, such as pornographic shows and violent horror movies broadcast by many TV stations. We witness the effects of the widespread presence of rock music, culminating in satanic rock performed in what we could easily refer to as “churches or rock”, such as stadiums, parks, and discothèques. We should not be surprised that, today, there is an explosion of these activities: a decline in faith life is directly connected to an increase in superstitions. I will not tire or repeating that members of the clergy have done nothing to oppose, or at least warn against, all these evils, because they are completely ignorant even of what the Bible explicitly says on the subject. This forth category has greatly contributed to the increase in evil ailments in the last decades, especially among the young.

stmichael.pair.com/exorcismschurch.html#how

Hope this helped.
Wow, you REALLY know your Malleus Maleficarum! Hahaha
😛
 
I was chatting with the priest down at the local (catholic) church last week. We were talking about how demons…God together, and each started to speak praise in their own naitive laungage. This all went fine until one of the priests in back started snarling and growling. The bishop concluded that this particular priest was possessed he told the other priests to continue praising and he went to help the possessed priest…I don’t think the priest I talked to was lying, but it is possible that he got the story a little mixed up or more likely I misunderstood. So my question, is that even possible? The only thing I could come up with was maybe that particular priest was assigned to some other ministry and wasn’t required to conduct Mass regularly, in which case he might not have the added protection of regular communions. Any thoughts?
Pure Divine Permission
Clearly, nothing happens without divine permission, but God never wills evil, suffering, or temptation. He gave us freedom and allows the existence of evil, but knows how to turn it into good. When he gives the demon his permission to torment us, he does so to strengthen us in virtue, as in the biblical example of Job, as well as of many blesseds and saints. We must keep in mind that diabolical harassment in itself has nothing to do with the state of grace of its victims.


A famous example of this would be Padre Pio…he was tormented…but it was to make him purer…I think other examples are John Vianney, patron saint of priests…
 
Excerpt from the Pieta Prayer Book (Our Lord’s revelations to Mutter Vogel)

"One should NEVER attack a priest, even when he’s in error, rather one should ray and do penance that I’ll grant him My grace again. He alone fully represents Me, even when he doesn’t live after My example!

“When a Priest falls we should extend him a helping hand through prayer and not through attacks! I myself will be his judge, no one but I! Whoever voices judgment over a priest has voiced it over me; child, never let a Priest be attacked, take up his defense. Child, never judge your confessor, rather pray much for him and offer every Thursday, through the hands of My Blessed Mother, Holy Communion (for Him). Never again accept an out-of-the-way word about a priest, and speak no unkind word (about them). Even it were TRUE! Every Priest is My vicar and My Heart will be sickened and insulted because of it~ If you hear a judgment (against a Priest) pray a Hail Mary.”

“If you see a Priest who celebrates the Holy Mass unworthily then say nothing about him, rather tell it to Me alone! I stand beside Him on the altar! Oh pray much for my priests, that they’ll love purity above all, that they’ll celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with pure hands and heart. Certainly the Holy Sacrifice is one and the same even when it’s celebrated by an unworthy priest, but the graces called down upon the people is not the same!”
 
Now here’s the why, OP:

There are four principal causes that may cause one to fall victim to demonic possession.

Pure Divine Permission
Clearly, nothing happens without divine permission, but God never wills evil, suffering, or temptation. He gave us freedom and allows the existence of evil, but knows how to turn it into good. When he gives the demon his permission to torment us, he does so to strengthen us in virtue, as in the biblical example of Job, as well as of many blesseds and saints. We must keep in mind that diabolical harassment in itself has nothing to do with the state of grace of its victims.

Subject to a Curse
Here, too, the victim is innocent, but there is culpability on the part of whoever casts and/or commissions the curse. By the word curse, I mean the intention of harming others through demonic intervention. This can be achieved in many ways: malefice (or spell), binding, evil eye, malediction, and so on. The matter is serious, but we need to be on guard against misconceptions. By their nature, curses lend themselves to all sorts of abuses, especially when we consider the current escalation in the number of frauds, suggestions, manias, and more.

Grave Hardening of Sin
Judas Iscariot is the classical Gospel example. The many individuals who abandon themselves to sexual perversions, violence, and drugs fall into this group. The heinous crime of abortion aggravates this situation; its terrible repercussions are clearly seen during exorcisms, because to liberate a victim who is guilty of abortion usually requires a very long period of time. Due to the current devastation of the family and the laxity of morals, the repercussions that stem from the scourge of abortion are much more common than in the past. When we take all these factors into account, we can understand why the number of individuals stricken by evil ailments has multiplied.

**
Proximity to Evil Places or Persons**
This includes attending spiritualistic session, dabbling in magic, or consulting magicians, witch doctors, and some card readers; also, practicing the occult, belonging to satanic sects, or practicing in rites that climax with black masses, and so on, put us at great risk.

To this category we can add the influence of mass media, such as pornographic shows and violent horror movies broadcast by many TV stations. We witness the effects of the widespread presence of rock music, culminating in satanic rock performed in what we could easily refer to as “churches or rock”, such as stadiums, parks, and discothèques. We should not be surprised that, today, there is an explosion of these activities: a decline in faith life is directly connected to an increase in superstitions. I will not tire or repeating that members of the clergy have done nothing to oppose, or at least warn against, all these evils, because they are completely ignorant even of what the Bible explicitly says on the subject. This forth category has greatly contributed to the increase in evil ailments in the last decades, especially among the young.

stmichael.pair.com/exorcismschurch.html#how

Hope this helped.
I understand that demon possesion is real but feel that those suffering from “mania” or “paranoia” should NOT be included. These are symptoms of mental illness. Can medication “exorcise” a demon ? No…only through the power of Jesus Christ can a priest perform an exorcism. Mental illness is NOT demon possesion! Let’s not go back to the “Dark Ages” when the mentally ill were abused because of ignorance ! Medications help the symptoms of mental illness. I have Bipolar I and use to experience “mania” and “depression”. My medications have helped the symptoms to “go away”. Please…do not compare mental illness to demonic possesion ! This is an already heavy cross to bear in life…and I do suffer willingly for Our Lord as God makes no mistakes and mental illness is genetic.

Peace in Our Lord Jesus Christ
 
=priestswife;7259916]Excerpt from the Pieta Prayer Book (Our Lord’s revelations to Mutter Vogel)
"One should NEVER attack a priest, even when he’s in error, rather one should ray and do penance that I’ll grant him My grace again. He alone fully represents Me, even when he doesn’t live after My example!
“When a Priest falls we should extend him a helping hand through prayer and not through attacks! I myself will be his judge, no one but I! Whoever voices judgment over a priest has voiced it over me; child, never let a Priest be attacked, take up his defense. Child, never judge your confessor, rather pray much for him and offer every Thursday, through the hands of My Blessed Mother, Holy Communion (for Him). Never again accept an out-of-the-way word about a priest, and speak no unkind word (about them). Even it were TRUE! Every Priest is My vicar and My Heart will be sickened and insulted because of it~ If you hear a judgment (against a Priest) pray a Hail Mary.”
“If you see a Priest who celebrates the Holy Mass unworthily then say nothing about him, rather tell it to Me alone! I stand beside Him on the altar! Oh pray much for my priests, that they’ll love purity above all, that they’ll celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with pure hands and heart. Certainly the Holy Sacrifice is one and the same even when it’s celebrated by an unworthy priest, but the graces called down upon the people is not the same!”
VERY WISE, PRUDENT AND CORRECT INFOMATION!

God Bless you an all of our priest!
 
I understand that demon possesion is real but feel that those suffering from “mania” or “paranoia” should NOT be included. These are symptoms of mental illness. Can medication “exorcise” a demon ? No…only through the power of Jesus Christ can a priest perform an exorcism. Mental illness is NOT demon possesion!
My friend, there will be other signs that the victim is demoniacally possessed. They will not be given the Rite of Exorcism if they have just the few symptoms you mentioned. And especially not on the grounds of showing a mental illness. It will be a lot worse than that, sadly. They may see visions and suffer major convulsions. Or they may show signs of super-human strength. Some victims are not given the rite until after weeks of showing these symptoms. When their body is fully controlled by the demon(s), bystanders will know it.
 
the soul is NOT possessed. Only the Body.
Yes, I know. There seemed to be an implicit misunderstanding in the OP that possession equates to mortal sin, thus my explanation that one who is possessed isn’t necessarily in mortal sin.
 
Excerpt from the Pieta Prayer Book (Our Lord’s revelations to Mutter Vogel)

"One should NEVER attack a priest, even when he’s in error, rather one should ray and do penance that I’ll grant him My grace again. He alone fully represents Me, even when he doesn’t live after My example!

“When a Priest falls we should extend him a helping hand through prayer and not through attacks! I myself will be his judge, no one but I! Whoever voices judgment over a priest has voiced it over me; child, never let a Priest be attacked, take up his defense. Child, never judge your confessor, rather pray much for him and offer every Thursday, through the hands of My Blessed Mother, Holy Communion (for Him). Never again accept an out-of-the-way word about a priest, and speak no unkind word (about them). Even it were TRUE! Every Priest is My vicar and My Heart will be sickened and insulted because of it~ If you hear a judgment (against a Priest) pray a Hail Mary.”

“If you see a Priest who celebrates the Holy Mass unworthily then say nothing about him, rather tell it to Me alone! I stand beside Him on the altar! Oh pray much for my priests, that they’ll love purity above all, that they’ll celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with pure hands and heart. Certainly the Holy Sacrifice is one and the same even when it’s celebrated by an unworthy priest, but the graces called down upon the people is not the same!”
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  If  speaking badly about a priest displeases Our Lord then how about those who openly critize  bishops,  archbishops, cardinals and even the Pope.   Remember when Jesus  said to quit worrying about the speck of dust in the eye of another and worry about the planks in your own eyes?  I believe that is a call to humility.  Also if you judge God's clergymen what kind of railing judgement might you recieve from Jesus Christ.   We must have Faith and Pray.  Pray for the clergy of the Church.  There are wolves in sheep's clothing that splinter the Cross shattering it so that the devil may divide and conquer.  Only God can transform a man from the inside outward Healing  the Heart of Hearts, the Soul.   Sadly  I confess that  I have fallen in the same error, was chastised in punishment, realized my mistake, confessed, repented, did penance and  I try not to fall again.  I didn't realize how much this offends God.
There were Saints that suffered possession so that others who are fallen may recieve the Graces they need for Salvation. What a terrible Cross to bear. Many priests suffer demonic attacks but they don’t speak about it. Exorcists sometimes have terrible nightmares or hear “voices” during the Consecration of the Eucharist say “No recess, no breaks, it will only get worst.” This suffering is not limited to exorcists but any priest who leads people to Salvation and away from the devil may experience demonic attacks.
However, if we should pray especially saying the Rosary for the intentions of the clergy. We can help tremendously by obtaining Graces so that they may find the Strength and Fortitude to carry on their work promoting the Kingdom of Heaven. Sadly though culture today doesn't give enough regard to promoting the Kingdom of Heaven. If this life is a preparation for the next Life then most people may be missing the Boat. We all need to pray for one another and for all clergy especially the Pope. When I examine my conscience I find that I have flunked many times a day but now I really make a concerted effort to do better.
 
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