Can a divorced but no annulled catholic receive sacrements

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And there goes Bryan cherry-picking please ignore if you are looking for actual advice go see your priest - he has already proved in several threads he has an agenda. Hence why he is pulling up old threads to insert his opinion.
 
And there goes Bryan cherry-picking please ignore if you are looking for actual advice go see your priest - he has already proved in several threads he has an agenda. Hence why he is pulling up old threads to insert his opinion.
I don’t have time to read and analyze his last post, but the one before that seems completely sound. The idea that someone who has left their spouse and forced a divorce did not commit a grave sin is wrong.
 
I don’t have time to read and analyze his last post, but the one before that seems completely sound. The idea that someone who has left their spouse and forced a divorce did not commit a grave sin is wrong.
This particular post is the fact he is running through various posts of people he is digging up a post from two years ago in hopes that his arguments will not be refuted in other threads is wrong. Especially since it has come down to a matter of attacking the Magisterium for a personal situation rather than taking any personal responsibility. And yes this is how his posts started out 200 posts ago on the other too. Now he is saying things to abused women like “I’ve never talked to your ex-husband” and other insensitive remarks.
 
Joanofarc,

I am very sorry, I shouldn’t have said that. It felt like maybe you thought I was “judging” your individual situation and I was only trying to point out that I have nowhere near the information or knowledge to judge your individual situation.

Again, if there are specific instances where I have contradicted the Magisterium then please point those out to me. I truly believe that we will be held accountable for our words so I would appreciate the opportunity to correct or clarify any of mine that need corrected or clarified.

My “agenda” if you will is simply to allow myself to be used as an instrument of God’s. The prayer of St. Francis is so powerful.

Right now that appears to be shining a light on the lie that each and every civilly divorced person is able to receive Holy Communion regardless of whether or not they had a valid reason to abandon their spouse and force a civil divorce on them. This lie is thickening the scales over the eyes of the abandoning spouse preventing them from seeing the need to repent of the grave sin… because they do not even see the sin.

Anyway, God bless you Joanofarc, and I apologize again for mentioning that I haven’t talked to your husband and for any other insensitive remarks. I pray for your forgiveness.

Bryan

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Joanofarc,

I am very sorry, I shouldn’t have said that. It felt like maybe you thought I was “judging” your individual situation and I was only trying to point out that I have nowhere near the information or knowledge to judge your individual situation.

Again, if there are specific instances where I have contradicted the Magisterium then please point those out to me. I truly believe that we will be held accountable for our words so I would appreciate the opportunity to correct or clarify any of mine that need corrected or clarified.

My “agenda” if you will is simply to allow myself to be used as an instrument of God’s. The prayer of St. Francis is so powerful.

Right now that appears to be shining a light on the lie that each and every civilly divorced person is able to receive Holy Communion regardless of whether or not they had a valid reason to abandon their spouse and force a civil divorce on them. This lie is thickening the scales over the eyes of the abandoning spouse preventing them from seeing the need to repent of the grave sin… because they do not even see the sin.

Anyway, God bless you Joanofarc, and I apologize again for mentioning that I haven’t talked to your husband and for any other insensitive remarks. I pray for your forgiveness.

Bryan

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St Francis also believed in obedience to the Magisterium. You have spent the entire thread attacking that Magisterium by taking certain Saint quotes out of context as they were said before councils that were designed to fix glaring issues. However, since you are only cherry picking quotes designed to back up your opinions you are not looking at the historical accuracy of anything you are posting. By attacking the process you also completely go against what the Magisterium has to say as the Magisterium does encourage those whose marriages irrevocably break down as both a healing process and a way of knowing their status within the Church. This is up to an including Pope Benedict XVI. Again you are new to the Catholic Church so instead of attacking the rest of us for our actions especially since many of us here are struggling to live in continence after abuse maybe it is best to try to look at your own personal responsibility in your situation rather than tilting at windmills.
 
By attacking the process you also completely go against what the Magisterium has to say as the Magisterium does encourage those whose marriages irrevocably break down as both a healing process and a way of knowing their status within the Church.
Please joanofarc, I pray that you see that I am not attacking the Magisterium, but rather abuses that go on within the Church by Her fallible members. These abuses often seem to come forth out of what our Holy Father has called a “false charity.” Our last two Holy Father’s have seen this. Once a year our Holy Father delivers a message to the Roman Rota, the highest tribunal in the Church that looks at cases of nullity.

Here is a link to various addresses that our Holy Father has made to to Rota over the past few years.

marysadvocates.org/annulment/annulment.html

Here is an excerpt from a Zenit article regarding our Holy Father’s 2010 message…

*The Pope also warned the members of false charity when he gave his annual address to the Tribunal of the Roman Rota.

Truth “cannot be contrary to charity,” he told the court representatives, who deal primarily with appeals in nullity cases.

There must be no yielding to a “false charity,” the Pontiff urged, since this would not protect the true good of the spouses.

“Some believe that pastoral charity might justify any step toward declaring null the marital bond, to meet persons who are in an irregular marital situation,” he acknowledged. However, this makes truth tend to be “seen from an instrumental point of view, which adapts it now and then to the different needs that present themselves.”

“The problem is posed when the very essence of marriage is more or less obscured,” he added, explaining that “the existential, personalist and relational consideration of conjugal union can never be done in defiance of indissolubility, an essential property” of Christian marriage.

Otherwise, Benedict XVI observed, “one runs the grave risk of remaining without an objective point of reference for pronouncements on annulment, transforming every conjugal difficulty into a symptom of non-realization of a union whose essential nucleus of justice – the indissoluble bond – is negated in fact.”*
zenit.org/article-28198?l=english

Yes, there is most definitely also an encouragement to seek, but the question is of the heart… what are we “seeking.”

Is my heart “seeking” a declaration of nullity? Or, is my heart “seeking” the truth of whether or not I was validly married. There is a difference in my motive.

If I am “seeking” a declaration of nullity then I may not bring certain things to the tribunal’s attention that I fear would lead to a verdict that I do not want. If I am “seeking” truth then I would want everything for and against to get on the table for their review. Again, please do not take this personally, I do not know your heart and am not claiming that you, yourself, are doing this.

Perhaps we could agree to stop dialoguing on here unless the other states something that is truly against Church teaching.

Bryan

LOVE SO AMAZING
 
Can a couple who got civil divorce, but never got an annulment still receive the sacraments if they are both living as single?
If you were justified in obtaining the divorce, there would not be a problem. If you caused the divorce, there would be a problem. You should really discuss this matter with the priest in any case.
Also could they have sexual relations with each other if they wanted to and be OK with the church? Wouldn’t they still be married in the church’s rules?
You are presumed married by the Church until proven otherwise, and having sex with this person is having sex with your presumed husband. The problem with this particular situation is that by having a civil divorce you are publicly stating that you do not believe this person to be your husband. It would certainly be scandalous in a Church setting, and I would guess the Church would want to discontinue this behavior and stop receiving sacraments until it is stopped. As always, speak to a priest for clarification.
 
Also could they have sexual relations with each other if they wanted to and be OK with the church? Wouldn’t they still be married in the church’s rules?
I think I would agree with the above poster that it could add to scandal and that maybe a blessing would solve any issue of public scandal or occasion to sin of others. But again I think in this type of atypical situation it would be best to consult a priest and possibly a marriage tribunal for the correct information.
 
And there goes Bryan cherry-picking please ignore if you are looking for actual advice go see your priest - he has already proved in several threads he has an agenda. Hence why he is pulling up old threads to insert his opinion.
I wouldn’t worry about it too much, as the OP hasn’t posted to CA since last August.
(A July 2011 thread? Are cherries that hard to come by? :rolleyes:)
 
Talk to a priest that is faithful to the Church and knows Moral Theology.

Here is a great article about this subject:

catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope_benedict_encourages_divorced_catholics_to_live_their_christian_lives_as_fully_as_possible/

Pope Benedict encourages divorced Catholics to live their Christian lives as fully as possible

Vatican City, Mar 13, 2007 / 06:49 pm (CNA).- Pope Benedict XVI today addressed the “painful situations” of those who have been married in the Church and have been divorced and remarried, an issue he called a “complex and troubling pastoral problem.” The Holy Father recalled that although divorced and remarried Catholics cannot receive Holy Communion, they are still called “to live as fully as possible the Christian life.”

Addressing the issue through his Apostolic Exhortation on the Eucharist, “Sacramentum Caritatis,” the Pontiff underlined the relation between the Eucharist and indissolubility of marriage.

“If the Eucharist expresses the irrevocable nature of God’s love in Christ for his Church, we can then understand why it implies, with regard to the sacrament of Matrimony, that indissolubility to which all true love necessarily aspires,” Pope Benedict explained.

“There was good reason for the pastoral attention that the Synod gave to the painful situations experienced by some of the faithful who, having celebrated the sacrament of Matrimony, then divorced and remarried,” he said.

The situation, he continued, “represents a complex and troubling pastoral problem, a real scourge for contemporary society, and one which increasingly affects the Catholic community as well.”

The Holy Father added that the Synod of Bishops, who met to discuss issues surrounding the Eucharist, “confirmed the Church’s practice, based on Sacred Scripture (cf. Mk 10:2- 12), of not admitting the divorced and remarried to the sacraments, since their state and their condition of life objectively contradict the loving union of Christ and the Church signified and made present in the Eucharist.”

“Yet,” he emphasized, “the divorced and remarried continue to belong to the Church, which accompanies them with special concern and encourages them to live as fully as possible the Christian life through regular participation at Mass, albeit without receiving communion, listening to the word of God, eucharistic adoration, prayer, participation in the life of the community, honest dialogue with a priest or spiritual director, dedication to the life of charity, works of penance, and commitment to the education of their children.”

Avoiding Divorce
Considering further the tremendous pain which divorce can cause the Holy Father said that, “the Synod also recommended devoting maximum pastoral attention to training couples preparing for marriage and to ascertaining beforehand their convictions regarding the obligations required for the validity of the sacrament of Matrimony.”

“Serious discernment in this matter will help to avoid situations where impulsive decisions or superficial reasons lead two young people to take on responsibilities that they are then incapable of honoring. The good that the Church and society as a whole expect from marriage and from the family founded upon marriage is so great as to call for full pastoral commitment to this particular area,” he said.

Marriage and the family are institutions that must be promoted and defended from every possible misrepresentation of their true nature, since whatever is injurious to them is injurious to society itself,” the Pope concluded.

Peace!
 
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