Can a Homosexual become a Heterosexual?

[warpspeedpetey]

…Okay, if homosexuality is just based on a choice of sexual partners then why do we have the Courage apostolate and why not some sort of outreach for necrophiliacs or paedophiles?

I don’t know, but as you cannot provide a single example of a difference in the orientations that isn’t sexual in nature. It seems the only difference in the orientations is a choice of sexual partners.

Not all cultures are equal,

Please, pontificate on the supremacy of our culture. That’s helpful.

the FLDS are an example of where delusions are enforced on a culture and change said culture.

Our culture is undergoing the exact same assault , from the wiki

Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist, described the events of 1971-3 in his book Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis (1981).

Bayer explains that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists disrupted the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA’s convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, “Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you.”

Under threat and presented with data from researchers such as Alfred Kinsey and Evelyn Hooker, the seventh printing of the DSM-II, in 1974, no longer listed homosexuality as a category of disorder. After a vote by the APA trustees in 1973, and confirmed by the wider APA membership in 1974, the diagnosis was replaced with the category of “sexual orientation disturbance”.[10]

Whose culture is being twisted to accept delusions again?

I suppose in a way it is similar to the dancing boys of Afghanistan. Plural marriage is a legal nightmare and it undermines the cohesion of society. Those aren’t orientations, those are paraphilia!

Plural marriage was practiced in the OT and it didn’t seem to undermine anything. Societies like Afghanistan’s have existed for thousands of years. If you feel that way about certain orientations, then why not others?

Research into why people commit sex with the dead (there’s overlap)
68% motivated by a desire for an unresisting and unrejecting partner
21% reunion with a lost partner
15% sexual attraction to dead people
15% desire for comfort or to overcome feelings of isolation
11% desire to remedy low self-esteem by expressing power over a corpse

poor self esteem plus extreme fear of rejection and desire for partner who can’t reject, and/or fear of the dead morphs into philia via reaction formation causes the person to develop a fantasy of sex with a corpse.

Ok, but how is any of that a legitimate secular reason to deny them equal treatment under the law. Why do you reject it on the basis of a psychological disorder, but not all other orientations?

Woody Allen and Soon-Yi Previn aren’t actually related. So it’s not technically incest (hence why the aren’t in jail).

They are just a famous example. You still haven’t given a reason to discriminate against those who practice adult incest.

Show me where in the CCC where it says something similar to this for those groups

Why? What do you think that will show me?

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I don’t know, but as you cannot provide a single example of a difference in the orientations that isn’t sexual in nature. It seems the only difference in the orientations is a choice of sexual partners.
Please, pontificate on the supremacy of our culture. That’s helpful.
Our culture is undergoing the exact same assault , from the wiki

Whose culture is being twisted to accept delusions again?
Plural marriage was practiced in the OT and it didn’t seem to undermine anything. Societies like Afghanistan’s have existed for thousands of years. If you feel that way about certain orientations, then why not others?

Ok, but how is any of that a legitimate secular reason to deny them equal treatment under the law. Why do you reject it on the basis of a psychological disorder, but not all other orientations?
They are just a famous example. You still haven’t given a reason to discriminate against those who practice adult incest.
Why? What do you think that will show me?

It’s entirely possible to be attracted to one’s gender and not the other while desiring sex with neither. In that case attraction actually can facilitate strong friendship.

So is culture where it is the norm for boys to be molested in adolescence equal to Western culture?

The Church does not view homosexuality as a mental disorder, homosexual inclination is indeed a desire to do intrinsically disordered acts, but many heterosexuals are inclined to do intrinsically disordered acts.
Israel didn’t exactly get that far without God’s intercession. Pashtun culture has indeed existed for an extremely long time, but it has stagnated for that time.

There are indeed people working to warp society, but our society can still be saved.

That demonstrates that it is indeed a psychological problem that needs treatment.

That case is actually not comparable to incest even though it has the ickiness many associate with incest. There is supposed to be psychological bonding between family members, indeed adopting people early enough into the family causes the same reaction. If the bonding doesn’t happen then it is a sign that the people are psychologically damaged, allowing adult incest could result in children being psychologically groomed for it.

The Church’s view on homosexuality is very different from the view on those other topics.

 

[passus]

You have provided us with anecdotal evidence that in your opinion homosexuals cannot change their behavior. . We have that others provide us with anecdotal evidence that they can. Again. It is a huge disservice to those who suffer from this disorder to tell them there is no hope.

We have yet to hear from a single individual who can give first-hand testimony of having “changed” his sexual orientation. Just stories about men who once called themselves gay and later had gotten married–most of whom, I posit, were still gay.

 

[estesbob]

We have yet to hear from a single individual who can give first-hand testimony of having “changed” his sexual orientation. Just stories about men who once called themselves gay and later had gotten married–most of whom, I posit, were still gay.

You need to go back to the beginning if this thread We have had several people post who were able to make the change.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

It’s entirely possible to be attracted to one’s gender and not the other while desiring sex with neither. In that case attraction actually can facilitate strong friendship.

So is culture where it is the norm for boys to be molested in adolescence equal to Western culture?

The Church does not view homosexuality as a mental disorder, homosexual inclination is indeed a desire to do intrinsically disordered acts, but many heterosexuals are inclined to do intrinsically disordered acts.
Israel didn’t exactly get that far without God’s intercession. Pashtun culture has indeed existed for an extremely long time, but it has stagnated for that time.

There are indeed people working to warp society, but our society can still be saved.

That demonstrates that it is indeed a psychological problem that needs treatment.

That case is actually not comparable to incest even though it has the ickiness many associate with incest. There is supposed to be psychological bonding between family members, indeed adopting people early enough into the family causes the same reaction. If the bonding doesn’t happen then it is a sign that the people are psychologically damaged, allowing adult incest could result in children being psychologically groomed for it.

The Church’s view on homosexuality is very different from the view on those other topics.

 

[passus]

You need to go back to the beginning if this thread We have had several people post who were able to make the change.

I did, and I found 2 individuals. One said that she still felt attracted to women and the other was advocating some kind of strange and creepy platonic male romanticism which sounded at best to me like sublimation of some kind. Oh and strangely enough, both their changes happened right around the time they experienced a spiritual catharsis of some sort. These people didn’t change their sexual orientations. Furnish a study or something at least more objective with a larger sample, please.

 

[estesbob]

I did, and I found 2 individuals. One said that she still felt attracted to women and the other was advocating some kind of strange and creepy platonic male romanticism which sounded at best to me like sublimation of some kind. Oh and strangely enough, both their changes happened right around the time they experienced a spiritual catharsis of some sort. These people didn’t change their sexual orientations. Furnish a study or something at least more objective with a larger sample, please.

So you found two in one thread alone-and your mocking their expereince doesnt change the fact they did indeed put their homosexual behavior behind them. One wonders why it is so very important to you to marganalize their experienmce?

 

[warpspeedpetey]

It’s entirely possible to be attracted to one’s gender and not the other while desiring sex with neither. In that case attraction actually can facilitate strong friendship.

If you do not desire sex with someone of the same gender, then you are not sexually attracted to them. Hence, you are not a homosexual. If you are attracted to them in a nonsexual manner, then you just like them in the same manner that everyone else likes their friends.

So is culture where it is the norm for boys to be molested in adolescence equal to Western culture?

Any culture that doesn’t allow the murder of children in the womb is better than ours. As disgusting as the practices in Afghanistan may be, abortion is illegal. At least those who are victimized survive in that culture. Here if an abortion doctor molested a child he would rightly spend decades in prison. If he brutally dissects and murders children as they are born he is a hero fighting for the rights of women with each execution. Which culture do you think is superior? How about ours, or the Nazi’s? Which is superior? The one that murdered 6 million mostly adult humans, or the one that has murdered 50 to 60 million innocent defenseless children? Do you think we are somehow better than the Nazis were? How about the Rwandans? They murdered only a fraction of the number of Tutsi’s that we do children. Do you think we are better than them? Maybe our culture isn’t quite so superior as you propose.

The Church does not view homosexuality as a mental disorder, homosexual inclination is indeed a desire to do intrinsically disordered acts, but many heterosexuals are inclined to do intrinsically disordered acts.

I didn’t ask you what the Churches position was. Which BTW isn’t quite correct. They don’t claim to know the cause or to be able to exclude any cause. I asked you why you believed one orientation is a mental illness while others aren’t. Clearly, until the LGBT lobby attacked the psychiatric board responsible for its inclusion in the DVSM, the mainstream medical community believed it was. As I posted, the very people involved admit it was a guerrilla political action and not a change in the actual scientific analysis unrelated to political pressure. So what possible justification can you have for your double standard?

Israel didn’t exactly get that far without God’s intercession. Pashtun culture has indeed existed for an extremely long time, but it has stagnated for that time.

As I do not think you are a Pashtun or an ancient Israelite, your claim that there activities undermine their cultures doesn’t seem to have any basis in reality. The fact is that they functioned just fine regardless of their particular orientations.

There are indeed people working to warp society, but our society can still be saved.

Rimshot!

That demonstrates that it is indeed a psychological problem that needs treatment.

What does that have to do with equal protection under the law? Crazy people have rights too.

That case is actually not comparable to incest even though it has the ickiness many associate with incest. There is supposed to be psychological bonding between family members, indeed adopting people early enough into the family causes the same reaction. If the bonding doesn’t happen then it is a sign that the people are psychologically damaged,…

In my mind Woody’s and Soon-Yi’s relationship is absolutely incestuous. However, they are only a conveniently famous example. take any other instance of it in the world if it makes any difference to you.

…allowing adult incest could result in children being psychologically groomed for it.

So it would be OK if the biological parent didn’t raise the child? Or never met them? You can keep making ridiculous excuses for your double standards but you are clearly doing exactly what you accused me of. Making extremely imprudent statements that may lead people to believe that Catholics hate members of those groups.

The Church’s view on homosexuality is very different from the view on those other topics.

Please, show me the CC demonstrating this.

 

[passus]

So you found two in one thread alone-and your mocking their expereince doesnt change the fact they did indeed put their homosexual behavior behind them. One wonders why it is so very important to you to marganalize their experienmce?

Firstly, are we talking about changing behavior or changing attraction? The topic of the thread deals with a homosexual becoming a heterosexual. These people may have put homosexual experiences behind them, but it doesn’t seem like in their minds they have managed to give up the attraction, which again is the issue at hand.

Secondly, I’m not marginalizing their experiences. I’m merely pointing out that these people weren’t successful in changing their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. If they claimed to, I’d be wary. This is so important to me because I am entirely convinced that sexual orientation is not something that can be changed and that attempts to do so are futile and damaging, as I can attest to by my own experience and the experience of many others whom I know (which I only mention since in this thread, we’re apparently taking anecdotal “evidence” at the highest value). I believe that it is neither beneficial nor healthy nor safe for someone to try to modify something as complex and intricately tied to the psyche as sexual orientation, especially by methods like spiritually rigorous meditation and Bible passages.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

So you found two in one thread alone-and your mocking their expereince doesnt change the fact they did indeed put their homosexual behavior behind them. One wonders why it is so very important to you to marganalize their experienmce?

They didn’t become heterosexual, the attractions are still there

If you do not desire sex with someone of the same gender, then you are not sexually attracted to them. Hence, you are not a homosexual. If you are attracted to them in a nonsexual manner, then you just like them in the same manner that everyone else likes their friends.
Any culture that doesn’t allow the murder of children in the womb is better than ours. As disgusting as the practices in Afghanistan may be, abortion is illegal. At least those who are victimized survive in that culture. Here if an abortion doctor molested a child he would rightly spend decades in prison. If he brutally dissects and murders children as they are born he is a hero fighting for the rights of women with each execution. Which culture do you think is superior? How about ours, or the Nazi’s? Which is superior? The one that murdered 6 million mostly adult humans, or the one that has murdered 50 to 60 million innocent defenseless children? Do you think we are somehow better than the Nazis were? How about the Rwandans? They murdered only a fraction of the number of Tutsi’s that we do children. Do you think we are better than them? Maybe our culture isn’t quite so superior as you propose.
I didn’t ask you what the Churches position was. Which BTW isn’t quite correct. They don’t claim to know the cause or to be able to exclude any cause. I asked you why you believed one orientation is a mental illness while others aren’t. Clearly, until the LGBT lobby attacked the psychiatric board responsible for its inclusion in the DVSM, the mainstream medical community believed it was. As I posted, the very people involved admit it was a guerrilla political action and not a change in the actual scientific analysis unrelated to political pressure. So what possible justification can you have for your double standard?
As I do not think you are a Pashtun or an ancient Israelite, your claim that there activities undermine their cultures doesn’t seem to have any basis in reality. The fact is that they functioned just fine regardless of their particular orientations.
Rimshot!
What does that have to do with equal protection under the law? Crazy people have rights too.
In my mind Woody’s and Soon-Yi’s relationship is absolutely incestuous. However, they are only a conveniently famous example. take any other instance of it in the world if it makes any difference to you.So it would be OK if the biological parent didn’t raise the child? Or never met them? You can keep making ridiculous excuses for your double standards but you are clearly doing exactly what you accused me of. Making extremely imprudent statements that may lead people to believe that Catholics hate members of those groups.
Please, show me the CC demonstrating this.

The neopagan nihilistic lotus-eating plague that has spread all over Western culture is not in fact Western culture, but the rejection of it.

I’m entirely fine with simply placing down lines, for example if we based off the ability to consent to sex based on puberty, in order to prevent the infringement on people’s rights one would need to place the age of consent at eight.

The Pashtun culture stunts itself which can be seen in the fact that successful Pashtun people have embraced more Western values.

I find rimfire works just as well as centrefire for .22s

Indeed, crazy people have rights too due to them being human, however sex is not a human “right”. Prisoners for example are regularly deprived of it.
Incest is actually defined by being too close in blood to marry. No it wouldn’t be okay, sometimes seemingly arbitrary lines must be drawn.

Incest, necrophilia, zoophilia, child marriage, homosexual acts are all impermissible.

Considering of the ones you brought up only incest is mentioned in the CCC and is there thoroughly condemned as corrupting family relationships and marking a regression toward animality.

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

Not really different from a number of heterosexual disordered acts.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

Homosexuals must be treated with compassion.

 

[warpspeedpetey]

They didn’t become heterosexual, the attractions are still there

If the attractions aren’t sexual they cannot be homosexual by definition. So unless they are attracted to corpses, animals or one of the other orientations, it seems that actually being heterosexual is the only alternative.

The neopagan nihilistic lotus-eating plague that has spread all over Western culture is not in fact Western culture, but the rejection of it.

No true Scotsman fallacy. The Western culture is committing these genocidal acts. And as voters we are both aware and personally responsible for them.
I’m entirely fine with simply placing down lines, for example if we based off the ability to consent to sex based on puberty, in order to prevent the infringement on people’s rights one would need to place the age of consent at eight.You don’t use the quote button so I have no idea what this statement refers to.

The Pashtun culture stunts itself which can be seen in the fact that successful Pashtun people have embraced more Western values.

Still better than the western culture that claims to be protecting children but then slaughters them.

I find rimfire works just as well as centrefire for .22s

A rimshot is the drum work after a joke not a cartridge.

Indeed, crazy people have rights too due to them being human, however sex is not a human “right”. Prisoners for example are regularly deprived of it.

Prisoners are not prisoners simply because of any mental illness. They are being punished by exclusion from society for breaking the law. Sex is indeed not a human right, the only question is if we should extend the legal form to orientations other than heterosexuals. You have a double standard. You want it for two orientations but not for the others, and the only reason you seem able to give are personal and cultural preferences. Yet every orientation can make the same claims to being “born this way”. It seems that you really only want politically correct orientations to be allowed, which tells me that you really don’t care about tolerance or peoples rights, you care about being politically correct. How else can you explain the double standard you are employing?

Incest is actually defined by being too close in blood to marry.

I understand the technical definition. Why do you think that matters? If you don’t like them as an example simply use another, or an imaginary couple.

No it wouldn’t be okay, sometimes seemingly arbitrary lines must be drawn.

What does this refer to?

Incest, necrophilia, zoophilia, child marriage, homosexual acts are all impermissible.

I think so too.

Considering of the ones you brought up only incest is mentioned in the CCC and is there thoroughly condemned as corrupting family relationships and marking a regression toward animality.

So no such CC exists?

Not really different from a number of heterosexual disordered acts.

You keep stating this like its an important point. I am not disagreeing that a number of heterosexual activities are disordered. So why do you keep posting this phrase?

Homosexuals must be treated with compassion.

Compassion. Not acceptance as a societal norm. Big difference

 

[estesbob]

They didn’t become heterosexual, the attractions are still there

.

And therein lies the difference. You and those who promote the homosexual agenda want to define us by our desire to sin. . I prefer to look at people’s actions… These people were able to put their homosexual behavior behind them that change from homosexual lifestyle to this heterosexual lifestyle. The fact that they may still be attracted to sinful behavior is irrelevant as long as I do not act upon it. By your definitions. I am still a raging drunk even though I have not had a drink in nearly 26 years because I still had an occasional desire to drink.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

If the attractions aren’t sexual they cannot be homosexual by definition. So unless they are attracted to corpses, animals or one of the other orientations, it seems that actually being heterosexual is the only alternative.
No true Scotsman fallacy. The Western culture is committing these genocidal acts. And as voters we are both aware and personally responsible for them.
You don’t use the quote button so I have no idea what this statement refers to.
Still better than the western culture that claims to be protecting children but then slaughters them.
A rimshot is the drum work after a joke not a cartridge.
Prisoners are not prisoners simply because of any mental illness. They are being punished by exclusion from society for breaking the law. Sex is indeed not a human right, the only question is if we should extend the legal form to orientations other than heterosexuals. You have a double standard. You want it for two orientations but not for the others, and the only reason you seem able to give are personal and cultural preferences. Yet every orientation can make the same claims to being “born this way”. It seems that you really only want politically correct orientations to be allowed, which tells me that you really don’t care about tolerance or peoples rights, you care about being politically correct. How else can you explain the double standard you are employing?
I understand the technical definition. Why do you think that matters? If you don’t like them as an example simply use another, or an imaginary couple.
What does this refer to?
I think so too.
So no such CC exists?
You keep stating this like its an important point. I am not disagreeing that a number of heterosexual activities are disordered. So why do you keep posting this phrase?
Compassion. Not acceptance as a societal norm. Big difference

If they are still sexually attracted to people of the same gender they are not straight.

I’m not saying if they don’t like haggis they aren’t Scottish, I’m saying if they hate everything associated with being Scottish they aren’t Scottish, cultural apostates if you will.

I’m not into percussion instruments, sorry I didn’t know that.

I’m not even arguing that homosexual acts should be legal, only that morally they are in the same category as masturbation, fornication, looking at porn etc.

I was referring to the “So it would be OK if the biological parent didn’t raise the child? Or never met them?”

No such part of the CCC talks about treating those things with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Hatred is the opposite of those thus hating homosexual for having homosexual inclinations is impermissible (but of course hating homosexual acts is permissible).

Morally homosexual acts are in the same category.

Those other things contain multiple mortal sins

And therein lies the difference. You and those who promote the homosexual agenda want to define us by our desire to sin. . I prefer to look at people’s actions… These people were able to put their homosexual behavior behind them that change from homosexual lifestyle to this heterosexual lifestyle. The fact that they may still be attracted to sinful behavior is irrelevant as long as I do not act upon it. By your definitions. I am still a raging drunk even though I have not had a drink in nearly 26 years because I still had an occasional desire to drink.

Promote the “homosexual agenda”? I regard the LGBT community as abhorrent.

alcoholism is psychologically different from homosexuality. In some people homosexuality is an innate part of who they are.

 

[passus]

And therein lies the difference. You and those who promote the homosexual agenda want to define us by our desire to sin. . I prefer to look at people’s actions… These people were able to put their homosexual behavior behind them that change from homosexual lifestyle to this heterosexual lifestyle. The fact that they may still be attracted to sinful behavior is irrelevant as long as I do not act upon it. By your definitions. I am still a raging drunk even though I have not had a drink in nearly 26 years because I still had an occasional desire to drink.

Alcoholism and and sexual orientation are two very different things. Sex is a human instinct and an inherently present drive. No amount of repression will rid a healthy person of his sexual need.

Alcoholism, on the other hand, is an acquired addiction. While you may have a genetic predisposition toward it, you do not have a biological need and an alcoholic’s need for alcohol is not as intricately bound to a person’s psyche as sexual drive–be that drive heterosexual or homosexual.

This has nothing to do with "homosexual agenda, whatever that is, and evaluated objectively, it has nothing to do with sin or depravity, either.

I think what’s causing a lot of confusion here–and which was made apparent to me by your comparison of homosexuality to an alcoholic’s addicition–is that you really don’t understand human sexuality as a biological and psychological process. You’re really so far off the mark in comparing these two…

 

[estesbob]

Alcoholism and and sexual orientation are two very different things. Sex is a human instinct and an inherently present drive. No amount of repression will rid a healthy person of his sexual need.

Alcoholism, on the other hand, is an acquired addiction. While you may have a genetic predisposition toward it, you do not have a biological need and an alcoholic’s need for alcohol is not as intricately bound to a person’s psyche as sexual drive–be that drive heterosexual or homosexual.

This has nothing to do with "homosexual agenda, whatever that is, and evaluated objectively, it has nothing to do with sin or depravity, either.

I think what’s causing a lot of confusion here–and which was made apparent to me by your comparison of homosexuality to an alcoholic’s addicition–is that you really don’t understand human sexuality as a biological and psychological process. You’re really so far off the mark in comparing these two…

The problem here is your insistence on defining us by our sexual attractions and our desire to sin and not by our behavior.

 

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The problem here is your insistence on defining us by our sexual attractions and our desire to sin and not by our behavior.

So we should define ourselves and others by behavior? Behavior defines a person in that one’s behavior is a reflection of a person’s will, intent, intellect. However, when a person’s behavior is at odds with their will–as with a person who marries and has children despite deep-seated attractions to the same sex–, that behavior serves as an inaccurate definition and is no more than a delusion. Truth, for which we all strive (do you disagree?) is not built on a premise of delusion.

 

[estesbob]

So we should define ourselves and others by behavior? Behavior defines a person in that one’s behavior is a reflection of a person’s will, intent, intellect. However, when a person’s behavior is at odds with their will–as with a person who marries and has children despite deep-seated attractions to the same sex–, that behavior serves as an inaccurate definition and is no more than a delusion. Truth, for which we all strive (do you disagree?) is not built on a premise of delusion.

I would say a person who no longer engages in homosexual behavior and has entered into monogamous hetero sex relationship has indeed turned their back on the homosexual lifestyle. . The fact that they may still occasionally have a desire to sin is irrelevant. . I define myself as a child of God, one who is made in his image and likeness and enjoys his unconditional love. . I do not define myself by my sexual attractions, desires, or sinful behavior.

 

[passus]

I would say a person who no longer engages in homosexual behavior and has entered into monogamous hetero sex relationship has indeed turned their back on the homosexual lifestyle. . The fact that they may still occasionally have a desire to sin is irrelevant. . I define myself as a child of God, one who is made in his image and likeness and enjoys his unconditional love. . I do not define myself by my sexual attractions, desires, or sinful behavior.

You’re sneaky. So the homosexual desires which were once successfully transformed into the most pure heterosexual attraction have become “irrelevant?”

Do you not see a problem with a person who is sexually unattracted to his wife carrying on a relationship and raising children with her?

 

[estesbob]

You’re sneaky. So the homosexual desires which were once successfully transformed into the most pure heterosexual attraction have become “irrelevant?”

Temptation does not equal sin

Do you not see a problem with a person who is sexually unattracted to his wife carrying on a relationship and raising children with her?

I have no idea why this has any relevance to whether a person can turn away from a homosexual lifestyle and enter into a loving heterosexual relationship.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I would say a person who no longer engages in homosexual behavior and has entered into monogamous hetero sex relationship has indeed turned their back on the homosexual lifestyle. . The fact that they may still occasionally have a desire to sin is irrelevant. . I define myself as a child of God, one who is made in his image and likeness and enjoys his unconditional love. . I do not define myself by my sexual attractions, desires, or sinful behavior.

I have never had sex with a man, nor have I engaged in “foreplay” with one, I do not wish to ever do those, but that does not change the fact that I am gay.

There is so much more to being gay than just sex.