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warpspeedpetey
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Brotherly love. It’s pretty much a standard concept.
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Dakota_Roberts
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Which is why they referred to the ceremony as a wedding and had a striking resemblance to marriage?
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warpspeedpetey
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You’re still not making your case. Unless it was sexual in nature, it was just friendship. As we just found out, sexuality is the only quality by which a relationship may be considered homosexual.
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Dakota_Roberts
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The word friendship can not describe it adequately, the relationship was in a way a cross between spouse and friend
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warpspeedpetey
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Were they committing sexual acts? If not, you are not talking about anything but friendship no matter how intense you make it out to be, and if so, then they were committing disordered acts.
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Dakota_Roberts
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You see the world in either black or white, no grey, while technically have have successfully segregated them you’ve done so in a way that renders the results worthless.
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speakttruth
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Our trials make us stronger.
In the Middle Ages affection and love between men was looked upon positively, why is it bad now?
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speakttruth
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There is a growing body of material? That is not proof of anything. The only reason you see women that act and look like men and men who look and act like women is they had a father that didn’t affirm for the man his masculinity and the women her feminity. Fathers are extremely important in the development of their childrens sexuality. There is plenty of evidence in this case. So we need strong christian fathers. Look where most of them are if they are not married. Not taking care of anybody, but themselves.
I am not saying all, but you get my point I hope looking at the divorce rate. It is not biological, it is enviromental. Back in the sixties it was feminism that started this whole mess, that women should be more like men and they should be the men of the house. Look where we are now, isn’t that enough evidence? Today it’s all about sex. That’s is why it’s about the sex we are having that makes us a heterosexual or a homosexual. An inclination or same sex attraction and someone who does not want to act on it makes that person carry a heavy cross. If you have it, it wouldn’t be normal, because the desire is out of the order of which we were created for.
Just my thoughts.
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speakttruth
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Yes trials make us stronger. I am talking about preventing it. If it has already happened their is still help. If you read any of the books on preventing it, you would understand that you wouldn’t want your little boy to have that struggle, if you are the father and you could prevent it. There are plenty of other trials people could got through, but that my friend, if you could read all the posts of the mothers, fathers, sisters, daughters, on the encourage line, you would understand what I am talking about and want to prevent it. So much pain. Strong and present fathers who affirm their sons is what they need and strong fathers to affirm a womens femininity as well. Fathers are very important to both sons and daughters to help form their sexuality. Almost in every case this is a major factor along with some other factors that contribute to this.Our trials make us stronger.
In the Middle Ages affection and love between men was looked upon positively, why is it bad now?
I gave a book to my oldest son, who has a nineteen month old to help him with making sure he affirms his son and having a brother with SSA, can make another brother worried, so as a parent of one with SSA, I wouldn’t want to see my other son go through this and he is learning from this book. Unless you are a parent, you have no idea the horror it was to go through and we continue to go through, so you really can’t say that this should be a trial that they should go through if they don’t have to. SSA, has destroyed many families if they accept the lifestyle. If we can educate men to be men and not be weak ones and men to be good Christian fathers and be the head the family, we should be doing that. That is a trial in of itself, because society is bucking everything that is good and moral. I would want to prevent, drugs, alcohol and the like as well and if their is good help to help a parent then why would you object?
To answer you question why is it bad now. Because most of the men you see showing affection in this day are homosexuals showing off their gay pride. You can tell the difference between a hug another man may give another, compared to an embrace or sometimes I see a kiss, which to me isn’t done regularly over here unless a parent to child of any age, looks unmanly and I at least, because I have gaydar, looks like, even if they aren’t, homosexual. So unfortunately the homosexual activists and community have ruined what people may have perceived as genuine affections now looks like two homosexuals.
Just my thoughts.
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warpspeedpetey
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In other words you cannot make your argument without violating the law of identity. That is not a function of me or my thought processes it’s a function of logic. They are different things and your attempt to conflate them violates the basic rules of logic.
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warpspeedpetey
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Hey, something we pretty much agree upon.
I don’t think it is any more of a cross to bear than unmarried heterosexuals have.
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speakttruth
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No I disagree. It is more of a cross, and the church agrees. He or she is actual victim soul living a chaste life,because they have the disordered attraction. Being as both things are equal, both have to restrain from sexual activities if not married is true and that’s hard, but the SSA person came to that place from much pain that is not going to change. The heterosexual man let’s say came from a family that had no serious problems and if they did, if they don’t have the SSA, can get married and still please God. That trial of celibacy would be over. But a SSA person does feel attraction to the same sex, that they did not choose,now they have the extra cross. Some even have been more bullied, rejected as children and some molested.
Some really want to get married and have children, but they can’t just get married with this attraction. It would be unfair to the woman if they haven’t overcome the SSA. Many men who had SSA were in a homosexual lifestyle and it was an addiction for many. Men in that life have much more pathologies than an active heterosexual. Look at the CDC. But if both men never had sex and one with the SSA attraction, like I said that is an heavier burden for them. Men in general have a stronger sexual desire, so the temptation for male SSA is more intense over all, like you said it’s about the sex, not the love in almost all cases, even if they think it’s love, if they started getting close physically they would get tempted to act on it. Women used to be able to be more pure, so I do believe it’s harder now for the heterosexual, but not with this new climate, with gay marriage and such for the SSA person.
You can’t compare the suffering a person goes through with that attraction if they never wanted it. They know that it is not right to have those feelings toward the same sex, even if they don’t act on it. A heterosexual man that is attracted to women can say it is normal to be attracted to a women, but he must wait until he is married if he wants to act on it. If both wanted to be celibate for life and turn to God, their is still a possibility to get married, it wouldn’t be wrong if he changed his mind,unless you want to be a priest and we know what is happening with men in the priesthood that have SSA. It’s more difficult to be around men as the temptation increases. Look what they want to do with DODT. Doesn’t that increase the risk of temptation? At least heterosexual men are segregated from the women. Do you see my point?
Just my thoughts.
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warpspeedpetey
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Not really. I don’t believe that people “suffer” SSA any more than I “suffer” from a desire to bed the Marchant twins. I will also never bed Rihanna, Sofia Vergara, or the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. They are all disordered desires that cannot be fulfilled within the bounds of sexual morality. There is nothing more to the matter than sex and the choices one makes in regard to it. One does not “suffer” because their preferred disordered activity is unobtainable.
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Wardog
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I don’t think so.
I am right handed. If someone convinced me that only left handed people get into Heaven, then I could, with practice, training and prayer, become as dextrous with my left hand as with my right, and from then on, only use my left hand as the dominant hand.
But I would still be right handed.
I am right handed. If someone convinced me that only left handed people get into Heaven, then I could, with practice, training and prayer, become as dextrous with my left hand as with my right, and from then on, only use my left hand as the dominant hand.
But I would still be right handed.
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Yes.
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EasterJoy
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Let’s be a little more charitable. You don’t have disordered desires only, but a mixture of disordered and ordered desires. Imagine that you cannot even make yourself the least bit interested in being legitimately married to just one single Dallas Cowboy cheerleader, in fact the whole group of them make you yawn (except perhaps to be impressed by whoever designed their outfits), and instead have you eyes for the Dallas Cowboys running back. Wanna tell your football-fan buddies how your desires differ from theirs? Wanna trade your so-called “suffering” for that? I somehow doubt it.
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warpspeedpetey
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Excuse me? Exactly how is it uncharitable to state ones opinion? You may not agree with it but it is hardly uncharitable.
I have heard that very same claim by homosexuals who have fathered children. Obviously, the existence of such a state is highly dubious.
Stereotyping people isn’t helpful.
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