Can a Homosexual become a Heterosexual?

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InSearchofGrace said:
Sigh. It was lawmakers who introduced no fault divorce laws against the admonition of Church leaders, to unclog the court system of divorce cases each of which took a long time to settle. It was pharmaceuticals that saw the tremendous profit in contraceptive pills and thus invented and marketed it.

I will not argue that the confluence of these forces helped promote the culture of promotion of adultery and fornication. However, I would not find an equivalence of a non-existing heterosexual movement enshrining into law sexual freedoms with legal benefits with the homosexual movement push for same sex marriage.
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In effect, you are saying the gay lobby is piggybacking on the excesses brought about by the women’s liberation movement which had its impetus with the birth control pill. Pope Paul VI in his encyclical Humane Vitae 45 years ago correctly identified the decline of the family and society when the unitive and procreative aspects of love between a man and a woman are separated.
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. And if we wish to resolve the ills of society we shall have to begin again with first principles.
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That’s a sad justification, let’s just accept and enjoy the stew of sin and violation of natural law, to the peril of the family and society, and our souls.

That said, I yield further discussion of the OP. If I have not mentioned it yet in this thread, by God’s grace and the individual’s motivation, a homosexual can become a heterosexual. For those who are unable to re-orient their sexual attraction away from the same sex and towards the opposite sex, acting on homosexual urges may be sublimated, making for an exquisite offering to God."
I agree of course, that homosexual urges, like all urges to sin can be sublimated through the power of sanctifying and actual graces. But if we are to be effective in achieving the sanctification of souls we have a long way to go in the re Christianization of society. It will be a long road and require a real revival of a living Faith among Catholics first of all.
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Eugenius said:
Yep, my point exactly. Of course there aren’t people marching and protesting for the right to commit adultery and fornicate, they already know that they can do whatever they want. Heck, they could even become President of the United States and be idolized as a “conservative.”
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Hyperbole.

It is highly unlikely that presidential candidates with openly adulterous and fornicating behavior or advocates of such behavior would get elected. Those who happen to keep such personal background information under wraps and somehow land high official positions would be forced out upon discovery of such fact by the public.
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InSearchofGrace said:
Hyperbole.

It is highly unlikely that presidential candidates with openly adulterous and fornicating behavior or advocates of such behavior would get elected. Those who happen to keep such personal background information under wraps and somehow land high official positions would be forced out upon discovery of such fact by the public.
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Not unlikely at all. The electorate would be more likely to identify with a “flawed”, fallible candidate who isn’t perfect and can identify with their own transgressions. The days of candidates being expected to be paragons of virtue and morality are long gone - particularly when you’ve got Republican nominees who are multiple-divorcees (including one who sought divorce from a wife dying in the hospital - he hasn’t been “forced out” yet.)
 
InSearchofGrace said:
Hyperbole.

It is highly unlikely that presidential candidates with openly adulterous and fornicating behavior or advocates of such behavior would get elected. Those who happen to keep such personal background information under wraps and somehow land high official positions would be forced out upon discovery of such fact by the public.
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Surely you are joking. Names like Ronald Reagan, John McCain, Newt Gingrich (all divorced and remarried, and the last one a supposed Catholic) must certainly sound familiar to you. And let’s not forget Bill Clinton.
 
I think a gay person can change, but they have to genuinely want to change. Many don’t really want to change. Back when this kind of therapy was popular, many gays were forced into the therapy against their will, usually by unappoving parents. They didn’t want to change and thus didn’t. Hence the reported low successful rate. It may cause lowered self esteem, but no pain, no gain.

Gay pride has poisoned society even worse, and now gay people are even less likely to change than before.
 
havana1 said:
Not unlikely at all. The electorate would be more likely to identify with a “flawed”, fallible candidate who isn’t perfect and can identify with their own transgressions. The days of candidates being expected to be paragons of virtue and morality are long gone - particularly when you’ve got Republican nominees who are multiple-divorcees (including one who sought divorce from a wife dying in the hospital - he hasn’t been “forced out” yet.)
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Eugenius said:
Surely you are joking. Names like Ronald Reagan, John McCain, Newt Gingrich (all divorced and remarried, and the last one a supposed Catholic) must certainly sound familiar to you. And let’s not forget Bill Clinton.
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If it was not clear, I was referring to presidential candidates with openly adulterous and fornicating behavior or advocates of such behavior and said knowledge has reached the voting public before elections.

Those who happen to keep such personal background information under wraps and somehow land high official positions would be forced to suffer humiliation, which in many if not enough cases result in resignation, upon discovery of such fact by the public. It still remains to be a source of great shame, not pride. Neither is it a neutral factor in electing someone in office for many voters. I understand that people get jaded. The behavior we are talking about is still an obstacle, however, if/when widely known by constituents, in voting a candidate to high office.

Eugenius, of the the three public figures you mentioned, only RR became President. He was not Catholic. Unless I’m wrong, non-Catholics who outnumber Catholic voters in this country, do not equate the divorced-remarried category as adultery. NG did not even get nominated; he may still aspire to be President but I doubt he would get past the nomination of his party. As for WJC, had his extramarital affairs been widely known, I doubt that he would have been elected. When the Monica Lewinsky scandal exploded, he did get a major dress down in a very public and legal manner. True, he was not forced out of office, but he was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice by the House of Representatives. Only the second president of the U.S. to be impeached in American history – something that I bet he wishes he can erase, but he can’t.

The Internet age while a boon for aspiring presidential candidates in many respects now is also a disadvantage as it is easily a tool for intrusion and destruction should unfavorable and credible history surfaces.

My apologies for the digression from the OP.
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kbwall said:
I think a gay person can change, but they have to genuinely want to change. Many don’t really want to change.
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Tirue. And of course that’s universally true, with all psychotherapy: Change comes about via the individual’s motivation, not the therapist’s. 🙂
Gay pride has poisoned society even worse, and now gay people are even less likely to change than before.
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Yep. Because not only is there constant validation of their lifestyle, the questioning of that lifestyle is aggressively and suspiciously opposed by society.
 
according to my understanding of the psychobiology involved, the answer to this thread’s original question is that some homosexuals can become heterosexual, if they choose to try, while most cannot because they are hard-wired since birth to be homosexual.
 
whitecrayon said:
according to my understanding of the psychobiology involved, the answer to this thread’s original question is that some homosexuals can become heterosexual, if they choose to try, while most cannot because they are hard-wired since birth to be homosexual.
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There is no such evidence that they are hard wired since birth. Predisposition to sin is the closes your going to get. We all have it and we don’t have to ever act out on any temptations, if we know our faith. That’s the language and the lie the devil uses to keep them in their sin of living that lifestyle. APA and many like them, are being run by the homosexual activists, now they are trying to get pedophiles under the same strategy as homosexuality. You can’t trust anything they say. www.couragerc.net has more information that is in keeping with our catholic faith.
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speakttruth said:
There is no such evidence that they are hard wired since birth. Predisposition to sin is the closes your going to get. We all have it and we don’t have to ever act out on any temptations, if we know our faith. That’s the language and the lie the devil uses to keep them in their sin of living that lifestyle. APA and many like them, are being run by the homosexual activists, now they are trying to get pedophiles under the same strategy as homosexuality. You can’t trust anything they say. www.couragerc.net has more information that is in keeping with our catholic faith.
God bless
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Scientific literature in the 1970s said that with some treatment child molesters can be cured, the Catholic Church got seriously burned from trying to fix priests using that “knowledge”.
 
michelleds said:
I believe that these discussions come about in large part because in the 20th and now 21st century, we came to believe that sex is some sort of inalienable right. subconsciously it would appear that we as a society believe that if someone is denied “the right to have sex” then that person will (a) explode, (b) die, (c) suffer physical and mental illnesses, and/or (d) become a pedophile. we equate sex with love and love with sex. if someone isn’t having sex, then they aren’t being loved.

the focus should actually be on God’s commandments, God’s love sustaining us, and “love others as I have loved you” meaning that the highest form of love is a pure, non-sexual love.

If someone were to ask me how I identify these days, my answer would be simply, “fully compliant with the Catholic Church” because I do not believe that anyone’s focus should be on sexuality, it should be on God and being not submissive to God’s will, but in full uniformity with God’s will. “Thy will be done, and because it is Thy will, it is mine as well.”
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What a bright light you are! Amen to all you’ve said. Blessings - Chochy
 
are there any readers of this thread who are homosexual who can enlighten the debate?
 
I am right handed. If someone convinced me that using the right hand as the dominant hand was a sin and would prevent me from going to Heaven, I could through prayer, self denial and hard work turn my left hand into my dominant hand, so that I would never have to use my right hand.
But I would still be right handed.
 
Wardog said:
I am right handed. If someone convinced me that using the right hand as the dominant hand was a sin and would prevent me from going to Heaven, I could through prayer, self denial and hard work turn my left hand into my dominant hand, so that I would never have to use my right hand.
But I would still be right handed.
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if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. Mt 5:30 😉
 
michelleds said:
if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. Mt 5:30 😉
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If this were followed literally, 95% of boys would be one handed. The other 5% would be liars.
 
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