Can a permantly impotent person marry?

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Natural Law seems to have a lot of skeptics, but it merely rests on the idea that things have a purpose.

Take this passage, for example, from an article in Touchstone Magazine:

“The first objection is that it is rubbish to talk about natural purposes, because we merely imagine them; the purposes of things aren’t natural; they are merely in the eye of the beholder. But is this true? Take the lungs, for example. When we say that their purpose is to oxygenate the blood, are we just making that up? Of course not. The purpose of oxygenation isn’t in the eye of the beholder; it’s in the design of the lungs themselves. There is no reason for us to have lungs apart from it.”

See: touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-06-022-f#ixzz1cZFLGadA
Yes, it goes back to Aristotle, and the teleological argument is the most common argument employed with respect to who should marry regardless of what one’s opinion is. The idea of “Natural Law” is a human construction. Aquinas was a booster. Hence the fascination by Catholics. But there is nothing supernatural about the idea.
 
Fairness or unfairness has nothing to do with it.

I’m just guessing here but I think the number of people who are capable of marital intercourse but marry with a decision to permanently refrain from sexual consummation is vanishingly small.

The problem is usually the converse: those who marry and wish to consummate the relationship while withholding their fertility.

I argued in a previous post that there was no evidence of impotence invalidating the marriage of Joseph and Mary. But if consummation were a requirement, their marriage would indeed be invalid.
Yes, it is interesting that the CC would hold an unconsummated marriage as an ideal, while requiring its adherents to consummate their own marriages. But this opens the whole can of worms of the “virgin birth” cults at the time of Jesus. According to Joseph Campbell, and other scholars of mythology and religion, there were literally hundreds of prophets running around at the time claiming to be of virginal birth. These historians would say that Jesus was just another one of those. It was not an original idea when Christians borrowed it. The Greeks were particularly fond of the idea at the time, which coincides with the backgrounds of the biblical authors who mention it.
 
To save you the trouble of looking it up, the question posed does not follow logically in the discussion.
Yes thank you, I know what it means. I find humor when people use good words to put down a ridiculous argument.

Anyway. I understand the churches teaching on this and forgive me if this has been discussed already but I am not gooing to read the hundreds of previous posts. I have seen a number of posts that say a marriage MUST be consummated to be valid and since an impotent man cannot consummate a marriage, he cannot marry. How then do we justify Mary marrying Joseph when she was no longer open to new life.
 
I know that non-consummation is not grounds for a declaration of nullity. I have never said that non-consummation is grounds to petition for a declaration of nullity. The point I was making is that if the marriage is not consummated it might be evidence that consent was invalid because one of the spouses was not open to life.
If the marriage can’t be consummated because of impotency, then it would be objectively invalid. If the non-impotent spouse wished to remarry, a decree of nullity would be necessary in this case.

However, if marriage was not consummated simply because a spouse refused to consummate it, the marriage is valid, and a decree of nullity would not be applicable. The marriage would have to be dissolved if the non-impotent spouse wished to remarry.
 
why can’t they live together? They are not having sex. They are basically living as brother and sister.
It’s a cause for scandal. You don’t live with someone you’re not married or related to.
 
why can’t they live together? They are not having sex. They are basically living as brother and sister.
Cohabitation between unmarried couples is not permitted. If the two individuals would otherwise be marrying, that is hardly living as brother and sister. Just because they are not having sex does not mean they are being chaste.
 
Cohabitation between unmarried couples is not permitted. If the two individuals would otherwise be marrying, that is hardly living as brother and sister. Just because they are not having sex does not mean they are being chaste.
Cohabitation as defined by the church is an unmarried couple living together and having a sexual relationship.
 
Cohabitation as defined by the church is an unmarried couple living together and having a sexual relationship.
But remember, one of the primary organs in sex is your brain- The body may not respond in some ways, but not necessarily the mind- And you can sin mortally with the mind alone.

Still though, being unmarried and living together is not necessarily sinful when there’s no sex involved. Some invalidly married couple stay together after their conversion to raise their children and share other responsibilities w/out engaging in sex, until they can properly marry in the church.

But if the impotence only affects the physical male/female sexual organs and leaves the emotional/mental sexual aspects intact, really no assumption of chastity can be made when two adults of that nature who are attracted to each other share living space so closely 🤷. You don’t have to have sex (the natural kind) to sin against chastity, and living together so closely could provide ample temptation.
 
But remember, one of the primary organs in sex is your brain- The body may not respond in some ways, but not necessarily the mind- And you can sin mortally with the mind alone.

Still though, being unmarried and living together is not necessarily sinful when there’s no sex involved. Some invalidly married couple stay together after their conversion to raise their children and share other responsibilities w/out engaging in sex, until they can properly marry in the church.

But if the impotence only affects the physical male/female sexual organs and leaves the emotional/mental sexual aspects intact, really no assumption of chastity can be made when two adults of that nature who are attracted to each other share living space so closely 🤷. You don’t have to have sex (the natural kind) to sin against chastity, and living together so closely could provide ample temptation.
My thoughts exactly.
 
If the marriage can’t be consummated because of impotency, then it would be objectively invalid.
Yes, providing knowledge of the impotence was antecedent to the marriage.
However, if marriage was not consummated simply because a spouse refused to consummate it, the marriage is valid, and a decree of nullity would not be applicable.
Yes, I know I have made the point myself several times in this thread.
 
Opinions have been all over the board on this one with a lot of misinformation being touted as fact. Please refer this question to Ask An Apologist or ask your own priest/diocese about this question. Thank you to all who have participated in this thread. It is now closed.
 
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