Can a practicing homosexual be a good Christian?

[Dempsey1919]

There have been some people on this site who have argued that homosexuality is acceptable. They have even suggested that an active homosexual can be a follower of Christ.

The Church, along with the Old Testament Prophets has always taught that homosexuality is wrong. How can an active homosexual believe that they are a good follower of Christ when they openly endorse and engage in sin?

I can’t understand how they can believe that they are able to live a life pleasing to Christ when they don’t repent and live a life of celebacy.

It’s almost as absurd as an abortionist claiming that he is a follower of Christ.

This post is not directed at celebate homosexuals. They have a tremendous cross to bear and we should all pray for them.

 

[GraceDK]

It is written that Jesus visited and ate with sinners and publicans and this greatly disturbed the pharisees. It is not written “those who were not sinners and publicans anymore”.
What is a follower of Christ other than a struggling person. when we stop struggling on the inside and out we are dead spiritually. but only Jesus knows a person’s soul… we all strive for happiness in this life and we can only thank God the less things stand in the way… I have always had much pity for those who suffer homosexual tendencies…
I heard about a Christian journalist who travelled around in Russia or Romania and did articles among the lowest in the society. He once came into the little room of a prostitute lady. He was surprised to see that on the wall there was but one picture and that was of Jesus.
Jesus treats sin as sickness…
Homosexuality is an outward sickness and not easily hidden. Many men on this forum are struggling with masturbation. I will not call them masturbators because that would put them in a box. these brothers are as good Christians as you and I because they struggle and they have the unease of the sinner who is converting… it might take years… but they are still christians.

Terese of Lisieux said that sexual sins are much lower on the scale of sins than eg. pride. But pride is more hidden…

Jesus said: “Why do you call me good? No one is good exept for one… namely God”. Not one…

 

[andzy]

How can an active homosexual believe that they are a good follower of Christ when they openly endorse and engage in sin?
I can’t understand how they can believe that they are able to live a life pleasing to Christ when they don’t repent and live a life of celebacy.

The same should be said about heterosexual fornicators and adulterers. I think the popular acceptance of these practices have strongly encouraged homosexual practice and homosexual agenda.

 

[JFonseka]

In theory a practicing homosexual is not a good Christian, just like a practicing masturbator. Lol.

It is wrong, therefore you can’t be ‘following’ Christ if you constantly sin in a grave area. If it happened a few times, and you have repented, then that’s good! It’s all forgiven and now you are following Christ. Remember no man is greater than the flesh and Christ has provided a way out of all types of bondage in sin, including sexual bondage, sure it’s harder for some than others, this is not to point fingers, but Christ has said it is possible to get out of that trap and therefore it is.

We must pray for everyone sinning, not just practicing homosexuals, everyone in sexual impurity, homosexual acts are wrong agreed, but so are lusting, inappropriate sex acts, rape, etc.

Followers of Christ to the very end are assured salvation.

 

[Dempsey1919]

What about those homosexuals who deny that homosexuality is a sin? They live a homosexual lifestyle and still profess to being a Catholic. Some see no problems in receiving the Eucharist.

How are we to respond to these people. Should we allow them to keep doing this or is it our duty to admonish them?

 

[GraceDK]

The Bible teaches us to correct our brother charitably if he is not living in accordance with the Gospel. This is our duty… out of love… (a very difficult duty especially when our priests don’t always want to help on this)…
And if he does not listen on serious matters we are to bring him in front of the leaders of the congregation/church and they will correct him… if still nothing changes he will be excommunicated in order that he does not corrupt the congregation from the inside…
I have been in many debates with a woman who openly lives as a homosexual and still claims to be a defender of Christianity and a public figure. I don’t care that she is not a Catholic… she still does damage to the Body of Christ and I told her plainly that the first step must be that she admits her state of sin…
When called a hypocrite I say that I am far from perfect… I too struggle with sin but I confess these and try to change.
Yes… we must speak.

 

[JFonseka]

What about those homosexuals who deny that homosexuality is a sin? They live a homosexual lifestyle and still profess to being a Catholic. Some see no problems in receiving the Eucharist.

How are we to respond to these people. Should we allow them to keep doing this or is it our duty to admonish them?

We must inform them about how it’s wrong and quote from scripture if necessary and furthermore point to the fact that you SHOULD NOT receive communion when living in mortal sin and receving communion without confession of a mortal sin is a mortal sin in itself.

You must show you are against their behaviour, but peacefully, there is no need to raise your voice, get angry, as long as you do your level best showing understanding and reasoning with them, there is no more you can do, or should do. The choice in the end is theirs, and you have done your best from what you have known to help them.

Cheers

 

[IzzyIdle]

There have been some people on this site who have argued that homosexuality is acceptable. They have even suggested that an active homosexual can be a follower of Christ.

The Church, along with the Old Testament Prophets has always taught that homosexuality is wrong. How can an active homosexual believe that they are a good follower of Christ when they openly endorse and engage in sin?

Reply: There is no such thing as sin. The Priests made that concept up to control people. You will feel better if you give sin up. You will be a nicer person to be around too.

I can’t understand how they can believe that they are able to live a life pleasing to Christ when they don’t repent and live a life of celebacy.

Reply: Because there is no need to do so. God created the homosexual and intersexed person. Nothing God creates is sinful. Indeed, sin does not exist.

It’s almost as absurd as an abortionist claiming that he is a follower of Christ.

Reply: I support reproductive justice by supporting contraception and safe and legal abortion. I am most certainly a follower of Jesus Christ and from that struggling group no one has the right to evict me.

This post is not directed at celebate homosexuals. They have a tremendous cross to bear and we should all pray for them.

Reply: Please do not pray for me. God might think I hang out with folks like you.
“Why should any man have power over any other man’s faith seeing that Christ himself is the author of it.” - George Fox, Founder of the Relligious Society of the Friends of Jesus

 

[IzzyIdle]

The Bible teaches us to correct our brother charitably if he is not living in accordance with the Gospel. This is our duty… out of love… (a very difficult duty especially when our priests don’t always want to help on this)…
And if he does not listen on serious matters we are to bring him in front of the leaders of the congregation/church and they will correct him… if still nothing changes he will be excommunicated in order that he does not corrupt the congregation from the inside…
I have been in many debates with a woman who openly lives as a homosexual and still claims to be a defender of Christianity and a public figure. I don’t care that she is not a Catholic… she still does damage to the Body of Christ and I told her plainly that the first step must be that she admits her state of sin…
When called a hypocrite I say that I am far from perfect… I too struggle with sin but I confess these and try to change.
Yes… we must speak.

Reply: You are on the wrong side and your ideas of sanctity are just that: ideas. Hate speech about homosexuals is seen by our young folks, Catholic/Christian or not, as exactly what it is: HATE SPEECH.
Your HATE is killing your church. I give thanks that most folks with your ideas are old and will go the way of the dinosaurs soon. If the RCC continues to pursue this kind of reasoning and these kinds of actions toward the intersexed, you will be the target of civil suits and prohibitive laws. And I can’t wait until it starts happening.
Folks who expouse ideas like these, in spite of the fact that they have no basis in scripture, make me ashamed to say I am Christian.

 

[JFonseka]

Dempsey1919;2853633:

There have been some people on this site who have argued that homosexuality is acceptable. They have even suggested that an active homosexual can be a follower of Christ.

The Church, along with the Old Testament Prophets has always taught that homosexuality is wrong. How can an active homosexual believe that they are a good follower of Christ when they openly endorse and engage in sin?

Reply: There is no such thing as sin. The Priests made that concept up to control people. You will feel better if you give sin up. You will be a nicer person to be around too.

I can’t understand how they can believe that they are able to live a life pleasing to Christ when they don’t repent and live a life of celebacy.

Reply: Because there is no need to do so. God created the homosexual and intersexed person. Nothing God creates is sinful. Indeed, sin does not exist.

It’s almost as absurd as an abortionist claiming that he is a follower of Christ.

Reply: I support reproductive justice by supporting contraception and safe and legal abortion. I am most certainly a follower of Jesus Christ and from that struggling group no one has the right to evict me.

This post is not directed at celebate homosexuals. They have a tremendous cross to bear and we should all pray for them.

Reply: Please do not pray for me. God might think I hang out with folks like you.
“Why should any man have power over any other man’s faith seeing that Christ himself is the author of it.” - George Fox, Founder of the Relligious Society of the Friends of Jesus

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[Freshman88]

Reply: You are on the wrong side and your ideas of sanctity are just that: ideas. Hate speech about homosexuals is seen by our young folks, Catholic/Christian or not, as exactly what it is: HATE SPEECH.
Your HATE is killing your church. I give thanks that most folks with your ideas are old and will go the way of the dinosaurs soon. If the RCC continues to pursue this kind of reasoning and these kinds of actions toward the intersexed, you will be the target of civil suits and prohibitive laws. And I can’t wait until it starts happening.
Folks who expouse ideas like these, in spite of the fact that they have no basis in scripture, make me ashamed to say I am Christian.

Hate? There is no hate.

It is an objective reality, homosexual acts are contrary to the natural law.

We condemn homosexual acts for the same reason that we condemn premarital sex, masturbation and condoms.

There is no “targetting” of anyone. Rather, it is upholding our belief in the natural law.

And it isn’t simply the older generations that uphold Catholic belief. I am young Catholic, 19, and all my other young Catholic friends will agree with me - homosexual acts are sinful.

Hate has nothing to do with it - if you want the Church to change (which it won’t) then you have to attack our stance on natural law.

As for persecutions…
We’ve had worse.

Our faith survived us through the Romans … bring on your worse - the blood of the martyrs only strengths our faith.

We will not concede to culture, the Church has always been counter-culture and shall continue to be.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

Yes they can be good Christians. Being a good Christian does not involve what happens in the privacy of your home. What happens anyones’ bedroom does not effect their status as a Christian. They are not normal and not disordered people.

 

[Freshman88]

Yes they can be good Christians. Being a good Christian does not involve what happens in the privacy of your home. What happens anyones’ bedroom does not effect their status as a Christian. They are not normal and not disordered people.

Entirely false.

Every act affects our soul. An act will bring us either closer to God or further away from Him. Homosexual acts turn us away from God.

It doesn’t matter if you commit a sin in your bed, or in public - it will effect your eternal soul no matter where you do it.

 

[fix]

Being a good Christian does not involve what happens in the privacy of your home. What happens anyones’ bedroom does not effect their status as a Christian.

Based on whose authority do you assert this?

 

[Publisher]

I have been blessed to receive verbal ministry from some very able Clerks of the Meeting who happened to be gay. They were living in a relationship that had been recorded in the Meeting. These two lesbian women went through the same process “straight” members undertake. They stood before the Meeting and pledged their lives to one another “before God and these Friends”.

I doubt they are “practicing” any longer…I think they have it down pat and have for quite some time.

 

[Dempsey1919]

Reply: You are on the wrong side and your ideas of sanctity are just that: ideas. Hate speech about homosexuals is seen by our young folks, Catholic/Christian or not, as exactly what it is: HATE SPEECH.
Your HATE is killing your church. I give thanks that most folks with your ideas are old and will go the way of the dinosaurs soon. If the RCC continues to pursue this kind of reasoning and these kinds of actions toward the intersexed, you will be the target of civil suits and prohibitive laws. And I can’t wait until it starts happening.
Folks who expouse ideas like these, in spite of the fact that they have no basis in scripture, make me ashamed to say I am Christian.

No basis in scripture? Here are some quotes for you. Feel free to verify them.

1 Corinthians 6:9

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination.”

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1: 24-32

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Is this hate speech? No. This is the inspired Word of God. I don’t hate homosexuals - I hate homosexuality - because it is a sin. I hate stealing just as much. I hate all sin because they seperate us from God.

 

[Publisher]

Well, you definitely had to pull from various translations to find the words you were looking for…I’m surprised you had the “clobber” verses at your finger tips…hmmmm…no…I’m not surprised actually.

 

[Dempsey1919]

I used various translations to show that I do not favour a particular translation. I wanted to show that different translations say the same thing. If I used only the KJV or the Douay you would say that I did that because of the words used.

The fact remains…the Bible forbids homosexuality. So does the Church…

 

[Newbie2]

Your HATE is killing your church. I give thanks that most folks with your ideas are old and will go the way of the dinosaurs soon. If the RCC continues to pursue this kind of reasoning and these kinds of actions toward the intersexed, you will be the target of civil suits and prohibitive laws. And I can’t wait until it starts happening.
Folks who expouse ideas like these, in spite of the fact that they have no basis in scripture, make me ashamed to say I am Christian.

Dempsey1919;2853633:

There is no such thing as sin. The Priests made that concept up to control people. You will feel better if you give sin up. You will be a nicer person to be around too.

Because there is no need to do so. God created the homosexual and intersexed person. Nothing God creates is sinful. Indeed, sin does not exist.

I support reproductive justice by supporting contraception and safe and legal abortion. I am most certainly a follower of Jesus Christ and from that struggling group no one has the right to evict me.

Please do not pray for me. God might think I hang out with folks like you.

It would be all too easy to respond to these posts in kind.

But, I’m confused Does IzzyIdle claim to be a Christian and deny the existance of sin?

Does he (or she) deny the concept of free will?

Does he think that the RCC “evicts” people from the body of the church here on earth?

I don’t think you have all the information that you should have. Too bad, Izzy, I’m praying for you anyway.

 

[Newbie2]

As to the original post, a practicing homosexual can be as good a Christian as any other person who is living in sin, such as those who choose to live together without the benefit of marriage.