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Wiseowl
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It certainly is true.
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Deo_Gratias42
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I have the textbook seminarians are trained out of. It’s true in some circumstances, but not in all.
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thistle
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The bishops do not have to be involved in the case of automatic excommunication for someone who had an abortion. The priests have been delegated the authority to lift the excommunication.
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Gorgias
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In general, the lifting of the excommunication is reserved to the local ordinary. However, in many dioceses, the bishop gives the priest the right to lift the excommunication themselves, within the context of the sacrament of reconciliation.
So, perhaps in that diocese, the priest in question does not have the right to do so, and in that case, he would refer the person to the bishop (in particular, unless I’m mistaken, he would refer the penitent to the canon law office or tribunal – although I’m not certain).
In other dioceses, though, the priest would just take care of it, himself, in the confessional.
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Gorgias
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"Wiseowl:
Wiseowl:
It is true that a priest can withhold absolution; it is not true that he must do so.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to assert by “true in some circumstances, but not in all”. If a priest thinks there’s no contrition, he should not absolve. “Keep on confessing the same sin” isn’t necessarily the definition of “no contrition”, though…
Deo Gratias:
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It is true that a priest can withhold absolution; it is not true that he must do so.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to assert by “true in some circumstances, but not in all”. If a priest thinks there’s no contrition, he should not absolve. “Keep on confessing the same sin” isn’t necessarily the definition of “no contrition”, though…
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Gorgias
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The bishop has the ability to delegate. This does not imply that all have done so – or, that if one bishop has done so, then his successor must continue to allow the delegation…
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thistle
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I’m pretty sure with regards to abortion this authority has been delegated to the priests in most if not all countries due to the magnitude of the abortion problem. It is simply impractical to do otherwise.
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Gorgias
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I think that, as a practical matter, this is probably true. From what people have been writing, though, I was getting the impression that folks thought that it was something that has already been settled, now and for always, and everywhere (as in “a rule of the universal Church”). That is not the case. It happens on a diocese-by-diocese basis, and is always subject to the desire of the local ordinary.
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thistle
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That’s true.
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Matthew_Holford
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If a penitent went to confession and confessed that he was sexually abusing his niece the priest might be able to refuse to give the penitent absolution. If it was obvious to the priest that the penitent was not truly contrite and had every intention of continuing to abuse his niece, the confessor can withhold absolution. However, the priest cannot make absolution conditional on the penitent revealing his sins to a third party. For example, a priest cannot say I will only absolve you if you go and confess your crimes to the police.
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Wiseowl
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Thank you, I love vindication.
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april32010
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how old are you,3.
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Bonjovie
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Well I don’t think the priests have been given the faculty to absolve abortionists on their own judgement here yet. I guess they have to seek permission from the bishop first and the penitent can come back at another time to receive absolution.
Thank you all for your interesting comments.:clapping:
Thank you all for your interesting comments.:clapping:
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Wiseowl
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Who is the poor sport??
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phantom87
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Had confession today , confessed to cohabitation … Was asked "Is there a sexual component " Said yes but not often ,… Was assured that if the intent is there to resolve that defect ie) marriage in the church, and of course to elimate the sexual componate outside the marriage that I could be , and was absolved … I wasn’t expecting it at all but am very grateful for it
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