Can a true Christian sin against a 'spiritually dead' living person (ie. a zhombie)?

[Thorwald]

Jesus made the strange statement, “Let the dead bury their dead.” Apparently, He was referring to those that have turned away from God, and are forever destined to hell. Even Peter’s scriptural writings refer to ‘sins unto spiritual} death’. Romans chpt 1, teaches us, that God will eventually turn away from those that do not change their ways.

Can we sin against ‘spiritually dead’ people? I realize, that no matter what, we can defile our bodies in many ways, even between ourselves and these ‘dead’ people. Let us take a look at the following example;

The laws given unto the Israelites by Moses, would have forced a rapist of a young virgin, to be put to death. Has this changed? Can this rapist ever be forgiven? Is there any ‘Holy Ghost’ present in him, after he committed this act? If a person was to ‘kill’ this rapist because our laws and court judgements are not of God, for the purpose of ridding society of the potential of having this rapist allowed back on the street again to carry out another rape (and perhaps murder), would this person be committing a sin against the rapist?

Authority for the church to preside over such judgements have long ago disappeared due to separation of church and state. The judgements handed out by our courts, are becoming increasingly polarized in favour of evil. Our governments are filled with deceit and corruption, as our police forces and courts also are.

We must always bear in mind, the scripture, “Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.” Taking the law into our own hands (mob hanging parties), is frowned upon.

How do you feel about the above?

 

[06convert]

Jesus made the strange statement, “Let the dead bury their dead.” Apparently, He was referring to those that have turned away from God, and are forever destined to hell. Even Peter’s scriptural writings refer to ‘sins unto [spiritual} death’. Romans chpt 1, teaches us, that God will eventually turn away from those that do not change their ways.

Mortal sin causes spiritual death. It is believed that if you die with a mortal sin on our soul you are at risk of God turning away from you and casting you into eternal fire. God doesn’t want us to die, God wants us to be converted so that we may have LIFE. God can only work on you while you are here, once you die you are either with Him or against Him.

Can we sin against ‘spiritually dead’ people? I realize, that no matter what, we can defile our bodies in many ways, even between ourselves and these ‘dead’ people. Let us take a look at the following example;

A person is a person as long as they are alive. Spiritually dead doesn’t make them any less of a physical person. It’s not our job to determine the status of their spiritual life, but it is our job to respect their dignity as a human being for as long as they are physically alive regardless of their mental or spiritual faculties.

The laws given unto the Israelites by Moses, would have forced a rapist of a young virgin, to be put to death. Has this changed? Can this rapist ever be forgiven? Is there any ‘Holy Ghost’ present in him, after he committed this act? If a person was to ‘kill’ this rapist because our laws and court judgements are not of God, for the purpose of ridding society of the potential of having this rapist allowed back on the street again to carry out another rape (and perhaps murder), would this person be committing a sin against the rapist?

The Old Testament teachings were put in place to keep the chosen people (Jewish people) in good grace until the coming of the Messiah. Once Jesus came and established the new covenant the prophecy of the Old Testament was fullfilled; because of this, the teachings of the New Testament supercede those teachings. Jesus came and teaches us forgiveness, humility, and love. He tells us to not judge others. So it’s not our job to judge, nor is it our job to put people to death because of their sins. To hate the sin and not the sinner. To help them find God, to teach them the truth.
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[Thorwald]

Mortal sin causes spiritual death. It is believed that if you die with a mortal sin on our soul you are at risk of God turning away from you and casting you into eternal fire. God doesn’t want us to die, God wants us to be converted so that we may have LIFE. God can only work on you while you are here, once you die you are either with Him or against Him.

A person is a person as long as they are alive. Spiritually dead doesn’t make them any less of a physical person. It’s not our job to determine the status of their spiritual life, but it is our job to respect their dignity as a human being for as long as they are physically alive regardless of their mental or spiritual faculties.

The Old Testament teachings were put in place to keep the chosen people (Jewish people) in good grace until the coming of the Messiah. Once Jesus came and established the new covenant the prophecy of the Old Testament was fullfilled; because of this, the teachings of the New Testament supercede those teachings. Jesus came and teaches us forgiveness, humility, and love. He tells us to not judge others. So it’s not our job to judge, nor is it our job to put people to death because of their sins. To hate the sin and not the sinner. To help them find God, to teach them the truth.

I realize that the understanding of God’s Word (subjective…vanity) agrees with what you have written. Jesus stated two ‘things’ in regards to the law. First, He said that He did not come to ‘destroy’ or ‘change’ the law, but rather, to fulfill it. Secondly, He said that we are no longer ‘under the law’.

My question is, “Are these two statements not contradictory, using our current understanding of them?”

Is it possible, that the original laws of God (through Moses), still apply to those that ‘prey’ on the rest of humanity? Is it possible that the second statement (above) refers to the law of sacrifice (Jesus now being the sacrifice)? I am troubled by the statement made by Jesus, “Let the dead bury their dead.” He did not ask His disciples to bring these people forward to be saved. He also spoke in parables, so He would not have to save some people. We then have Peter stating, that we should not pray for people who have committed a sin unto death.

I cannot understand why a child molester is allowed to continue His evil after being incarcerated for a short period. I do not believe that He can be saved. He has completely destroyed the child psychologically, which at times leads to this person committing suicide. There is something wrong with our application (understanding) of the NT scripture. I believe that this error falls into the category of ‘sins unto death’. I also realize, that all sins separate us from God, and if not forgiven, will lead us to spiritual death. I still believe, that the sins unto death, cannot be forgiven. If this was not true, then why even mention them?

Just a thought.