Can Allah be called Father?

[FaithofAbraham]

So, and I know this is a guess, did Muhammid leave God as Father out of the Koran or did God leave it out and contradict the teachings of Jesus?

Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Matthew 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Let’s face it. Yes both Christianity and Islam say Jesus is Messiah and that they love God. There are good people in both religions.

But who are the leaders in each group? Osama. Benny Hinn. Ayatollah Khomeini. Pedophile priests. Sadaam. Jim and Tammy Faye, Jan and Paul. Etc. Pretty sad.

So it is part of God’s plan that they are at odds and try to destroy each other, with Jews smack in the middle. If men did alter the Bible or Quran, and thus understandings we have today, they only did it because God let them, which would answer your question: in any case, God allowed it.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

 

[ralphinal]

Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Matthew 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Let’s face it. Yes both Christianity and Islam say Jesus is Messiah and that they love God. There are good people in both religions.

But who are the leaders in each group? Osama. Benny Hinn. Ayatollah Khomeini. Pedophile priests. Sadaam. Jim and Tammy Faye, Jan and Paul. Etc. Pretty sad.

So it is part of God’s plan that they are at odds and try to destroy each other, with Jews smack in the middle. If men did alter the Bible or Quran, and thus understandings we have today, they only did it because God let them, which would answer your question: in any case, God allowed it.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

So, God wants Muslims and Christians not to get along? I was not aware that God encoraged discord

 

[FaithofAbraham]

So, God wants Muslims and Christians not to get along? I was not aware that God encoraged discord

Nothing happens unless God allows it, right? God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, for an early example.

It’s just another way of threshing wheat from chaff.

 

[inJESUS]

Nothing happens unless God allows it, right? God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, for an early example.

It’s just another way of threshing wheat from chaff.

you said previously that God sent Christians to punish the Jews yet He still calls Himself Father.

 

[inJESUS]

So what is it FoA? you gave different answers some not even related to each others:

1- muslims should read previous scriptures to understand

2- muslims are afraid to use it because of Christians

3- Christians gave a wrong interpretation

4- mystery from Allah and things “hard to know”

and now what? enmity? Allah chose not to call himself as father to create enemity between Christians and Muslims while He created enmity between Christians and Jews yet still called himself father?

in order to create enmity, he deprives Muslims from calling him father?

the Quran gave none of these reasons. The Quran linked the title to blasphemy and threats of hell , where God, amids the blasphemy of His people refered to Himself as Father.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

So what is it FoA? you gave different answers some not even related to each others:

1- muslims should read previous scriptures to understand

2- muslims are afraid to use it because of Christians

3- Christians gave a wrong interpretation

4- mystery from Allah and things “hard to know”

and now what? enmity? Allah chose not to call himself as father to create enemity between Christians and Muslims while He created enmity between Christians and Jews yet still called himself father?

in order to create enmity, he deprives Muslims from calling him father?

the Quran gave none of these reasons. The Quran linked the title to blasphemy and threats of hell , where God, amids the blasphemy of His people refered to Himself as Father.

Of course they are all related, one thing leading to another. But it all starts with God’s Plan, nothing happens unless He allows it.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

you said previously that God sent Christians to punish the Jews yet He still calls Himself Father.

Yes, Christians are part of the Iron Rod Jesus uses to break them to shivers. If RCC is the Kingdom of Jesus, Jesus must have wanted RCC to persecute Jews as it once did, right?

 

[inJESUS]

Yes, Christians are part of the Iron Rod Jesus uses to break them to shivers. If RCC is the Kingdom of Jesus, Jesus must have wanted RCC to persecute Jews as it once did, right?

why did Allah call Himself father if Christians are sent to punish Jews, yet He does not if Muslims are sent to punish Christians?

 

[inJESUS]

Of course they are all related, one thing leading to another. But it all starts with God’s Plan, nothing happens unless He allows it.

in other words, Allah does NOT want muslims to call him father, which contradicts your initial statement that it is ok.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

why did Allah call Himself father if Christians are sent to punish Jews, yet He does not if Muslims are sent to punish Christians?

Muslims are supposed to be as bastards so we know they are symbolically Ishmael in the House of Abraham. Yet Jesus as Isaac makes reconciliation with Ishmael and all Gentiles through him in the House of Abraham, ministered by Jesus in yet another role as Melchizedek.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

in other words, Allah does NOT want muslims to call him father, which contradicts your initial statement that it is ok.

Of course He does, but if He always wanted it to be that way it would be that way. Nothing happens unless God allows it.

 

[inJESUS]

Of course He does, but if He always wanted it to be that way it would be that way. Nothing happens unless God allows it.

if he does, why doesn’t he say so? why does he link the title to blasphemy and threats? why doesnt he call himself once as father?

and how can he want so if you say he does not to create enmity?

Can He will it and not will it at the same time?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

if he does, why doesn’t he say so? why does he link the title to blasphemy and threats? why doesnt he call himself once as father?

and how can he want so if you say he does not to create enmity?

Can He will it and not will it at the same time?

God wants it to be this way now to thresh out wheat from chaff, as I said. Muslims whose hearts are hard and like to cut off hands of people who steal a loaf of bread and feel hateful about calling God their Father, they will go off to the fire. Those who can see past that and know the correct meaning of the words will not.

Same with Christians who worship Jews and Israel more than they do Jesus, cowards who are afraid to tell Jews they are antichrist and support their mutterings and kingdoms against Jesus and are traitors to Jesus. Those Christians will get their reward too.

 

[inJESUS]

He does not call himself father to punish the Muslims who don’t call him father?? or to punish Christians?? or is it to create enmity with Jews and Christians?? can you give one clear, coherent answer as to why Allah does not call hmself father?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

He does not call himself father to punish the Muslims who don’t call him father?? or to punish Christians?? or is it to create enmity with Jews and Christians?? can you give one clear, coherent answer as to why Allah does not call hmself father?

There is no one answer, it’s all of them. Like an onion, you peel back layer after layer until you get down to, it’s all part of God’s plan. Simple as that. If it wasn’t then it would be a different way.

God calls Himself Father in the Bible. Quran 3:3 says to accept the Bible. Put the Bible and Quran together and you see yes, God is father to all of us as children of God, but God is not father to a demigod.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Matthew 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

 

[inJESUS]

There is no one answer, it’s all of them. Like an onion, you peel back layer after layer until you get down to, it’s all part of God’s plan. Simple as that. If it wasn’t then it would be a different way.

God calls Himself Father in the Bible. Quran 3:3 says to accept the Bible. Put the Bible and Quran together and you see yes, God is father to all of us as children of God, but God is not father to a demigod.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

i understand that if you read the Bible, you’ll get it right. God told us to accept the OT, and called Himself Father. God tells Muslims to accept previous scriptures, yet denies his own title…i dont get it. This has to do with the identity of God, not humans. Punishment/mystery/blasphemy and all your arguments did not refrain God from identifying Himself as a father to Jews and Christians, why would it become suddenly a problem to Allah? why deprive Muslims from calling him father by linking it to blasphemy and threats? can i invite you to a place by telling you yu’ll die if you get there?

Only the father/deity issue is being referred to in the Quran. If someone says that it’s not good to burn yourself, and then says something negative about fire, it doesn’t mean that all fire is bad for you, no cooking, no light, nothing.

It means that person is talking negatively about fire only in the context of burning yourself.

 

[inJESUS]

Only the father/deity issue is being referred to in the Quran. If someone says that it’s not good to burn yourself, and then says something negative about fire, it doesn’t mean that all fire is bad for you, no cooking, no light, nothing.

It means that person is talking negatively about fire only in the context of burning yourself.

fine, then why not correct and still call himself father?

 

[FaithofAbraham]

fine, then why not correct and still call himself father?

The Quran and Islam are like a toolchest for me. The have some big swords and hammers, some little lockpicks, some shears, and other things. I use them to unlock and cut and prune and smash what I already know from Christianity and Judaism.

Then I put away the tools and close it up and go on about my belief in God and Jesus. While other Muslims may grab a blanket and pillow and curl up inside the toolchest and close it over themselves.

Everything corrects itself if you go looking for the solution. If not then you live with the error.

I can give you a billion different reasons why but they all come down to the same thing, God planned for it to be that way for some people right now, for others He didn’t.

 

[ralphinal]

Nothing personal FoA, but I have noticed that no “orthodox” Muslims are responding, and I wish they would. Since they seem to be ignoring this thread, can you point me to a source for them as to why God should not be called Father?

There has to be a reason and I am trying to get to it. Do you know of a good Muslim website?