Can an LDS do this?

  • Thread starter Thread starter JackVk
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Todd520 said:
So, how is this any different than the dilemma faced by other christian hotel owners?
Click to expand...
I don’t know of any hotel chains that are well-known as Christian, however, Marriot is well-known as being Mormon. Either way, one would hope when faced with this dilemma they would choose the right.😉

Todd on post #39 you said:
“I think serving drinks is more an expression of poor Honesty towards that individual, since you believe it is ‘bad for the temple’ you shouldn’t make money off it.”

You are contradicting yourself. First you say one shouldn’t make money off something that is bad a for a person, then defend it?
 
lax16 said:
I don’t know of any hotel chains that are well-known as Christian, however, Marriot is well-known as being Mormon. Either way, one would hope when faced with this dilemma they would choose the right.😉

Todd on post #39 you said:
“I think serving drinks is more an expression of poor Honesty towards that individual, since you believe it is ‘bad for the temple’ you shouldn’t make money off it.”

You are contradicting yourself. First you say one shouldn’t make money off something that is bad a for a person, then defend it?
Click to expand...
No, I’m not defending anything or anyone in this discussion. I’m explaining my views.

Ideally, all Christian owned stores/hotels/motels would not sell pornography in any form.
Practically, most Christian owned stores/hotels/motels do sell pornography in some form.

You have as much chance of explaining this dilemma as I do. (am assuming LDS is included in def of Christian owned businesses)
 
Paul,

it seems to me that there are one or two tiny errors in your post; entirely inadvertent, I’m sure. So if you don’t mind, I’ll just correct them within the quote. Explanatory comments will follow.
PaulDupre said:
I urge you to read all about Mormon history - the stuff some people wrongly assert your church doesn’t want you to know about. You owe it to yourself to really know your faith, which of course, as a believer, you already do far better than the Church’s critics. That doesn’t just mean the things the church tells you, it also means the things they don’t tell you but some people presume they should. You should read “An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins” by Grant Palmer, a current LDS who was disfellowshipped, so he is no longer in good standing (…] because he wrote an anti-Mormon book).
Click to expand...
Explanations:

  1. *]Todd, there is nothing that the Church doesn’t want you to know about. There is some material that is not in the curriculum, so it is not taught in Church; but there is no “cover-up” of this stuff. It is not a sin to read about this material, even from anti-Mormon sources; but in the latter case, it is best to remember this warning: caveat lector!
    *]Those who oppose the Church of Jesus Christ frequently claim to “know” our faith better than those who embrace it. This is wrong on two levels: Firstly, a belief system can really only be understood by those who actually believe it. This is considered axiomatic in the field of religious studies. Secondly, the “knowledge” that the Church’s critics often claim invariably turns out to be nothing more than a digest of polemically useful talking points. The critics frequently deride LDS curriculum materials as being merely “faith promoting” and biased. Yet their own material is strictly “faith demoting,” and therefore not quite entirely impartial.
    *]The notion that the Church should teach the stuff its opponents find so fascinating is an entertaining one, but it is ultimately without merit.
    *]I would agree that you should read Palmer’s book, if such a thing takes your interest. Then you should test some of his assertions. One simple test you could do is to read E.T.A. Hoffmann’s novella, Der Goldne Topf (The Golden Flower Pot.) Compare it to Palmer’s description of it. See how many times he has to mangle it in order to make it resemble Moroni’s visit to Joseph Smith.

    Mr Palmer’s case provides a valuable insight into what the Church’s detractors will sieze upon as a “Mormon source.” His intellectual history is a fascinating one, and of course we have no space to treat it here. He started the early drafts of his book after he lost his faith in the mid 1980’s as a result of accepting some forged documents about early Mormonism as authentic. The one he particularly liked was something called “The Salamander Letter,” in which Moroni was described as a “White Salamander.” The interesting point is that the original connection between early Mormonism and Der Goldne Topf was that a major character in the latter work, the Archivarius Lindhorst, was a salamander! What a neat correspondence!

    Subsequently, the “Salamander Letter” was shown to be a forgery. There is no authentic early source – Mormon, non-Mormon or anti-Mormon – that mentions a “salamander” in any connection with Mormon origins. As a result, there is a large, salamander-shaped hole running through the middle of Palmer’s arguments.
    *]Competent scholars have reviewed Palmer’s book and found it wanting. See, for example, here.

    Paul, you seem to have overlooked these details in your post; inadvertently, no doubt.

    Regards,
    Pahoran
 
Murdock said:
I have, at least, reservations about Poharan’s and Diana’s theory that drinking alcohol is not a sin in itself but, rather, is a sin only because we made a covenant to not do so.
Click to expand...
Then it wasn’t very Christlike of Christ to turn water into wine at the wedding was it? Christ encouraging people to sin by providing them with the means to do so, my goodness.
 
zaffiroborant said:
Then it wasn’t very Christlike of Christ to turn water into wine at the wedding was it? Christ encouraging people to sin by providing them with the means to do so, my goodness.
Click to expand...
Not to mention Jesus himself drinking wine at the last supper. The bible says that Jesus was without sin. If Mormons say that drinking wine is a sin, then Jesus was a sinner.

Oops.

(Not to mention His disciples in the bible and the Book of Mormon)
 
PaulDupre said:
Not to mention Jesus himself drinking wine at the last supper. The bible says that Jesus was without sin. If Mormons say that drinking wine is a sin, then Jesus was a sinner.

Oops.

(Not to mention His disciples in the bible and the Book of Mormon)
Click to expand...
Yes he was a sinner if drinking is a sin and he encouraged people to do so, and some LDS understand this point. I agree with Dianaiad and Pahorans’(sp?) understanding it makes sense but I really don’t see that their idea is what is actually taught to LDS members. The recent thread about the For The Youth pamphlet shows the LDS church teaching health which is grounded on sin (defiling the temple as Murddock has put it) as the reason for the WOW.

So while Dianaiad and Pahoran say it is a matter of discipline (and I am all for discipline or ordering yourself properly) I just don’t see that the LDS church regards it that way.
 
Todd

If you want to know more about the REAL history of your brothers and sisters, there are good books, by professional scholars, usually available inexpensively.

Terryl L. Givens, a professor of Religion and English at the University of Richmond, published “The Latter-day Saint Experience in America” and it is fabulous. In hardback it costs $25 at Amazon. Other booksellers may have it in paperback.

Richard Lyman Bushman, a professor of History at Columbia University, published “Joseph Smith and the Beginnings of Mormonism” which is very detailed as to the early years of the Church. Amazon has it in paperback for just a couple of dollars.

Leonard Arrington, the first professional historian to serve as Church Historian, who was responsible for modernizing that office, published “The Mormon Experience” which is generally regarded as the best one volume history of our people. Amazon has it in paperback for just a few dollars.

You will find that you have a LOT about which to be proud.

Murdock
 
Murdock said:
Todd

If you want to know more about the REAL history of your brothers and sisters, there are good books, by professional scholars, usually available inexpensively.

Terryl L. Givens, a professor of Religion and English at the University of Richmond, published “The Latter-day Saint Experience in America” and it is fabulous. In hardback it costs $25 at Amazon. Other booksellers may have it in paperback.

Richard Lyman Bushman, a professor of History at Columbia University, published “Joseph Smith and the Beginnings of Mormonism” which is very detailed as to the early years of the Church. Amazon has it in paperback for just a couple of dollars.

Leonard Arrington, the first professional historian to serve as Church Historian, who was responsible for modernizing that office, published “The Mormon Experience” which is generally regarded as the best one volume history of our people. Amazon has it in paperback for just a few dollars.

You will find that you have a LOT about which to be proud.

Murdock
Click to expand...
Right Todd. Remember you are only permitted to read that which is faith-promoting (no matter if it is true or not).
 
PaulDupre said:
Competent scholars? The Neal Maxwell Institute?

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Click to expand...
Yes, as a matter of fact. Do you have facts to the contrary, or only guffaws?
PaulDupre said:
Right Todd. Remember you are only permitted to read that which is faith-promoting (no matter if it is true or not).
Click to expand...
Paul,

you have made another of those (no doubt entirely inadvertent) errors. Permit me to fix it up for you.
PaulDupre said:
Right Todd. Remember you don’t have to ask anyone’s permission to read whatever you please. Although there may be some who would prefer you to read only material that is faith-denying (no matter if it is true or not).
Click to expand...
You don’t have to thank me, Paul; it’s all part of the service.

But now that you bring it up, I do seem to remember that there was once a church that had something with a name similar to “Index Librorum Prohibitorum.” I just can’t quite remember what church that was, though.

Can anyone help me out there?

Regards,
Pahoran
 
lax16 said:
Interesting point.
However, this particular hotel is very close to the SLC Temple and must certainly attract many Mormons as well as “us very conservative Catholics.”

It is really weird - The Book of Mormon and pornography in the same room.

Diana has pointed out that the Marriott family is not in charge anymore - how then do they get the BoM in the rooms?
Click to expand...
Why not? The Marriott family pays for them, so it’s no loss to the hotel chain.
 
dianaiad said:
Why not? The Marriott family pays for them, so it’s no loss to the hotel chain.
Click to expand...
…and the Marriott family gets their pay from their hotel operations, which, includes earnings from pornography.

Of course there is a loss. The pornography industry is devastation.
 
My question seems to have been buried, so here it is again (with some edits)
Todd520 said:
  • Ideally, all Christian owned stores/hotels/motels would not sell pornography in any form. (mom & pop to big chain businesses)
  • Practically, most Christian owned stores/hotels/motels do sell pornography in some form.
Please explain if you think this is sinful, unkind, or A-OK.
If you think it’s sinful, why do you think it’s so prevalent?

(for this question, I’m lumping together LDS with RCC, Protestants, etc.)
Click to expand...
 
dianaiad said:
Why not? The Marriott family pays for them, so it’s no loss to the hotel chain.
Click to expand...
So… they have enough clout to get the BoM in every room but not enough to keep the porno out of every room?

Can you provide any proof that the Marriott’s have tried to prevent it?
 
lax16 said:
Hi Todd - What hotel chains are Christian owned that sell pornography?
Click to expand...
Well, that is my question to the people here
  • I’ve never heard of a Christian store/hotel in the news for not offering porn, condoms, etc
  • does it happen and i’ve missed the news?
Most certainly there are stores an hotels owned by christians, besides the Marriot
 
Todd520 said:
Well, that is my question to the people here
  • I’ve never heard of a Christian store/hotel in the news for not offering porn, condoms, etc
  • does it happen and i’ve missed the news?
Most certainly there are stores an hotels owned by christians, besides the Marriot
Click to expand...
You said:

Ideally, all Christian owned stores/hotels/motels would not sell pornography in any form.
Practically, most Christian owned stores/hotels/motels do sell pornography in some form.

So I am asking:
What are the names of the hotels/stores/motels that are Christian owned and sell pornography in some form? You said “most” do.

I am not understanding your question - we would know about it because it would be in the news?
 
lax16 said:
You said:

Ideally, all Christian owned stores/hotels/motels would not sell pornography in any form.
Practically, most Christian owned stores/hotels/motels do sell pornography in some form.

So I am asking:
What are the names of the hotels/stores/motels that are Christian owned and sell pornography in some form? You said “most” do.

I am not understanding your question - we would know about it because it would be in the news?
Click to expand...
I made a broad assumption that most do because I’ve never come across a 7-11, mini-mart or any business hotel that did not. I expect Christians must have some serious ownership in there somewhere.

I await proof or even anectodal evidence that I’m right or that I’m wrong. The Marriot is one small example that I’m right in my assumption,
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top