Can Animals be Guilty of Sin?

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Gorgias said:
I think that’s the first time I’ve ever been told that the Bible is “only anecdotal”… 🤔
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The Bible never says that animals don’t have immortal souls.
Gorgias said:
Not the question I asked. I’ll try again: is a parrot capable of sinning? Is he capable of making a moral judgment?
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No, he can’t sin. Animals don’t have original sin.
 
No…but had a dog who played checkers…everyone thought he was smart, but he wasnt…i always beat him.🤣
 
Roseeurekacross said:
One must point out that we are not to engage in sorcery Or divination of any sort.
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But having an aquaintance who believes differenty is not a sin, nor is asking what or why they believe what they do…so instead it can be the impetus for evangelization, discipleship, and catechisis.
 
Gorgias said:
And guess what? You can! You can easily look at a dog’s ‘reaction’ and say “it’s the same as my reaction! We must have similar intelligences!”
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…well, yes and not!

Animals experience things as we do and can, given their limited capacities, operate within certain organizational skills; but animals do not reason as we do. They do not think of the afterlife; they have not cognition as to death, love, hatred… they do learn to coexist and, in a way, may even be smarter than humans… most dogs from around the world can communicate within their species and can communicate with humans… other then the charlatans that claim to be “whisperers” when was the last time a human learned to speak in the dog’s (or any other animals’) language?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
MCH1 said:
What is your proof to that? God loves all his creatures, He will care for them after they die. I know for certain that my pets that have passed away are with God. Why would God give some of His creatures immortal souls and other not?
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Only man was Created in His Image and Likeness–He blew the Spirit into man’s nostrils and man became a Living Being.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
That’s the “feel-good theology” for you–lie like a dog and then be confused why people leave God and the Church.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Gorgias said:
Right… so, we’re back to that notion: if you’re a behavioralist, then all you look at is the external actions, and therefore, you draw correspondences between human behavior and the behavior of other animals.
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It’s called anthropomorphism–like Jaws, Orca and all those other movies where animals take their revenge on man.

Yes, animals (pets) bite the hand (and children) of those who feed them but only because they want to be to dominant “xyz” in the group and after having humans cater to them on their knees and pick up their pup its only right that they get to sleep on the bed and humans get to the dog/“xyz” house!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
MCH1 said:
This to me seems to say that God loves and cares about all His creations.
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His Creation!

I fully concur!

…and as the psalms have demonstrated all of Creation Glorifies God–still, only man shares God’s Essence… not even the angels have the Potential to be with God and Know Him as He Is.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
This is what happens when you title a thread something that’s different from the actual question, I suppose.
 
Medawlinno said:
As an example, one could say that primates who have been taught sign language (e.g. the late “Coco”) may just be responding as sort of a ‘trick’ for humans, but I do not believe this is the case. If one examines some of Coco’s responses (dare I say ‘thoughts’) to the world around her, they definitely don’t scream ‘trick response’; they show independent thinking and self awareness as well as awareness of the world around her (? - I think ‘her’).
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We know that animals do react to their environment and that they have the ability to learn things (just check out the monkeys/gorillas that spit on people and launch pup attacks or that fellow that rounded up stones to throw at the visitors…) cognitive reaction is not a sign of self-awareness. Coco, in spite of all of the “Ape” movies, did not breakout and attempted to teach other primates what it learned…

There are stories about dolphins rescuing humans from sharks… but are they doing so because of their hatred for the sharks (sharks feed on dolphins) or because they “feel” for the weak humans caught in deep waters?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
…yeah, giraffes have long legs and necks and as huggable as they seem they are super heavy and strong, don’t pick a fight with them; oh yeah, and watch out for their tongues, they can lick your face off in one single slobbering move!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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Blessings
I think that is a little course. I stated what the church believes in my first response. I even defended it. I agreed w an animal lover, I’m not fond of it. I want my animals in heaven w me. Animals are intelligent by commands. They show instinct w dogs in heat and others.My comments in this are not causing anyone to leave the church. I could say what did! But I won’t,
In Christ’s Love
Tweedlealice
 
I think you must watch the Shaun the Sheep–it is proven that they gamble, steal, over indulge in everything (including wine/beer) and borrow human identities.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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Man is created in God’s image and likeness. Animals were created for our pleasure and need.
God does love all creation. It’s the presence of a soul=intellect and free will, that makes a difference.
No one leaves the church b/c their dog isn’t in heaven…
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Tweedlealice
 
Hi, Anna!

…get ready, you may be given a choice between Heaven or not–anthropomorphism allows human to believe that the animals are reciprocal in all aspects including and not limited to “love.”

This has gotten so bad that hollowood terms a child in his/her mom’s womb (and sometimes even a young child) as it while making a big stink about not referring to an animal as “it;” cause that hurts the sensibilities of the animal.

Animals don’t care!

Call a dog joe, jack, wheel, rock, wind, soprano, r2d2 and it will learn to respond to “xyz!”

They can sense things; but they are not capable of human emotions and cognition (the operative term being “human”).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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…or did you?

…could your dog not have surmised that if it kicked your butt in checkers you could have withheld its food, water and walking privileges and pup service?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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…hey, when did this thread jumped to sci fi?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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…now, I meant that little white lies like ‘yeah, dogs go to Heaven’ can cause children/adults to reject God because they actually get attached to the animal so much (basically idolatry); ie: there were some in my family that felt the death of their animal deeper than Mom’s death–their attachment to the animal was obvious, as was their estrangement from Mom… the human heart/mind cared more for an animal than for another human being… this is what is usually passed through such anthropomorphism: animals become as important or more important than other people, life, and perhaps God himself (reread through some of the comments here).

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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