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[Bill_Pick]

IS A Ahmadi ( Muslim )

 

[Sister_Amy]

IS A Ahmadi ( Muslim )

According to mainstream (Shi’a and Sunni) Muslims, Ahmadi’s/Qadianis are a deviant sect (i.e., claiming to be Muslims with beliefs which are not part of Islam). They claim to follow a prophet after Muhammad (which Islam rejects) and other things which refuted by Islam.

It’s a movement that started in India while the British were there, which some sources I’ve read say was a deliberate attempt to lead Muslims away from Islam in order to get them to accept the colonization.

 

[ralphinal]

Part of their teachings is that Jesus, after being saved from the Cross, took his mother and a few others and settled in Kashmier.

They have writtings by their prophet, whom they call the Promised Messiah.

Sister Amy,
How heretical are they considered? Is it to the point where they are not considered Muslims at all?

 

[Eucharisted]

The Ahmadi are heretical Muslims, and some of them even go as far as denying the prophethood of Mohammed. Not all do, but only some.

Many Ahmadi declare they are peaceful and accuse Muslims of being violent and evil. While this belief is a fallacy from generalization, it is nevertheless a dangerous belief, because it assumes that all Ahmadi are peaceful and all Muslims are not, when in fact one’s religious beliefs dose not constitute how good one really is. “By thy fruits, thou shall know them,” Jesus said.

I actually got fed up with the trash some Ahmadi are spewing on CAF and made this thread.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Part of their teachings is that Jesus, after being saved from the Cross, took his mother and a few others and settled in Kashmier.

They have writtings by their prophet, whom they call the Promised Messiah.

Sister Amy,
How heretical are they considered? Is it to the point where they are not considered Muslims at all?

Uh… yep. It is to that point (and beyond.)

 

[ralphinal]

Uh… yep. It is to that point (and beyond.)

Interesting. Would they be refused entry to a mosque if this was known about them?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Interesting. Would they be refused entry to a mosque if this was known about them?

No. You don’t have to take a test on creed in order to enter a mosque. If they wanted to come and worship at the mosque, they would not be prevented from it. But they wouldn’t be asked to speak (i.e., give a sermon) or teach there.

And if they did, and started teaching heresies, the congregation would probably stand up and refute him or get him to leave his sermon.

 

[ralphinal]

No. You don’t have to take a test on creed in order to enter a mosque. If they wanted to come and worship at the mosque, they would not be prevented from it. But they wouldn’t be asked to speak (i.e., give a sermon) or teach there.

And if they did, and started teaching heresies, the congregation would probably stand up and refute him or get him to leave his sermon.

That makes sense.

How many other heretical Islamic groups are you aware of?

I think that paar said once that Muhammed had prophecised something like 64 branches of Islam. I am not sure that all of them would be accepted any more than his. Does that sound even close to something in the ahadith or Qur’an?

 

[Sister_Amy]

That makes sense.

How many other heretical Islamic groups are you aware of?

I think that paar said once that Muhammed had prophecised something like 64 branches of Islam. I am not sure that all of them would be accepted any more than his. Does that sound even close to something in the ahadith or Qur’an?

Muhammad (saaws) said that the Muslims would follow the ways of the Christians, that the Christians would split into 72 and the Muslims into 73. (Note that when you see in Islam numbers in the 70’s, it’s not an exact figure but a rough way of saying “a lot,” like “dozens” or something like that.) It’s just to say that the Muslims will split even more than the Christians.

But Muslims aren’t supposed to go making sects, as all those sects except for one are going to be punished! So which is the right one? It’s the one that Muhammad and His Companions followed (of the Sunnah, in other words.) There’s also hadith that the ummah (Muslims collectively) will not agree on something that is wrong.

So when you read about “Ahl as-Sunnah wal’Jama’ah” (which is what “Sunni” means), it’s not a declaration of a sect. It’s saying that it’s the group following the Sunnah.

Some “sects” like the Qadiani/Ahmadis have beliefs which take them completely out of Islam. But the Shi’a, for instance, do not. There have been a number of movements historically that are considered sects which have split off of Islam, but I haven’t made a study of them.

 

[ralphinal]

Muhammad (saaws) said that the Muslims would follow the ways of the Christians, that the Christians would split into 72 and the Muslims into 73. (Note that when you see in Islam numbers in the 70’s, it’s not an exact figure but a rough way of saying “a lot,” like “dozens” or something like that.) It’s just to say that the Muslims will split even more than the Christians.

But Muslims aren’t supposed to go making sects, as all those sects except for one are going to be punished! So which is the right one? It’s the one that Muhammad and His Companions followed (of the Sunnah, in other words.) There’s also hadith that the ummah (Muslims collectively) will not agree on something that is wrong.

So when you read about “Ahl as-Sunnah wal’Jama’ah” (which is what “Sunni” means), it’s not a declaration of a sect. It’s saying that it’s the group following the Sunnah.

Some “sects” like the Qadiani/Ahmadis have beliefs which take them completely out of Islam. But the Shi’a, for instance, do not. There have been a number of movements historically that are considered sects which have split off of Islam, but I haven’t made a study of them.

Makes sense.