Can anyone be kind enough to offer their experiences with the Occult?

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Assuming they were a part of it. I just wanted to know out of curiosity’s sake what you experienced being in the Occult, and why you saw Catholicism as a viable alternative?

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
This I can do for you. I raised myself as an atheist, but eventually outgrew atheism. (Zeitgeist) I was ‘inspired’ by my sister, who was, and regrettably still is, Wiccan, and I researched that ‘‘religion.’’ It wasn’t long before I ran afoul of Wicca, as it, to me, seemed like a pathetic rerendering of something you would see at woodstock. The way everything has to rhyme, the indulgence of carnal sins raised as virtual ethics… Not to mention the insistent lack of orignal theology. I later came into Germanic occultism as a replacement theology. I entrenched myself in Germanic occultism, and while it wasn’t as easy as atheism or as publically acceptable, it fit me better than Wicca did, as where fake religo\ion is concerned, Wicca is the most sensationalist of them all. I read all the Germanic occult books I could get my hands on. I learned how to use the Runes both esoterically and exoterically and even began to feel as though they had prophetic power. For instance if I were to display your name in Runes, especially where it has a Germanic feel, you could derive subjective meaning from each individual character in your name, for instance, Berka (B) stands for strength, Odahl (o) stands for blessings or properties, Hagal (h) stands for creation or birth, and the list goes on. One could put the meanings together and construct an esoteric “destiny” from them. Of course, retrospectively, I know that what I have worked with is little more than what Sylvia Browne and John Edwards do every day. Statistically speaking, if I were to draw out your name in Runes I would come to the conclusion that you were a person of natural wealth and dignity, an examplar of man. And while you may be, truly, let us consider the actual odds of my being correct. I thank God that I wasn’t sucked too deeply into the occult that I would have committed any truly and mortally measurable sins, outside of the obvious disloyalty to God. But I digress. I began learning German because I had allowed the sage ‘masters’ such as Edred Thorsson and Galina Krosskova (who apparently hung a young virgin from hooks ) to convince me that because German was a purer language it would therefore bring me closer to the gods, specifically wodenaz, who was the supposed god of wisdom. However, my tenure into the occult was Gracefully cut short. Ironically, it was an atheist that killed my faith in the gods and allowed me to come to faith in The God. I began posting my pagan artwork on DeviantArt hoping to find a Germanic Troth to join, specifically one that spoke German or reformed Saxon, the languages I had taught myself. And while I did find some ‘Heathens’ as they preferred to be called, they were almost entirely disingenuous. The intellectual heathens had more faith in nietszche than they did their own gods. Indeed, the lynchpins of the heathen faith insist that one should understand the gods as a psychological urge, which is a distinctly jungian concept. The heathen groups that did adhere to belief in gods were almost entirely composed of simpletons. This lack of religious sincerity is one of the reasons why the atheist was so thoroughly able to shatter my ragamuffin belief system. However, I no longer believe that it was the sheer will of the atheist who had done this, but rather the will of God. The atheist himself was no true pillar of intellect, as opposed to what the heathen intellectuals claimed to be. I could go one for pages, on the inconsistencies of heathen life, and I have in the books I have written. Maybe someday I will publish them. However, if you have any other questions I would be happy to answer them, on this thread, or elsewhere if preferred. Before I forget, the reason I chose Catholicism is actually very simple. After God cured me of the resulting atheism from my ruptured paganism I began researching Christian Apologetics. Most of the Apologetics I researched were of the Protestant persuasion. Through it all I had the nagging urge to research Catholicism but always held back. However, after hearing just why the Catholics were so evil ‘evil’ or ‘misguided’ for the umpteen thousandth time I actually began to research Mother Church and found that She was far more consistent and has a much fuller body than any of the Protestant religions, not to insult their thinkers. I shall borrow a phrase from the Black Church I read about the other day, I think that I was ‘moving with the Spirit’ when I came to Catholicism. One more thing, if you will, the biggest reason I was able to convert to Christianity was for the simple fact that the pagans are graverobbers. More than half of what they tout is stolen from Christianity. Point and parcel is the celestial body, or soul. The modern pagan descriptions of the soul are virtually identical to the way the Apostle desrcibes the soul in the New Testament. That, and through it all, I couldn’t believe their jive about ‘no such thing as sin.’ Except, of course, unless you hurt a cat, in which case the Germanic pagans promise the ‘goddess’ freyja will ‘punish’ you. And while I’ve never actually hurt a cat to prove them wrong, it’s just a further reminder of how ridiculous empty and fake religions can be. In concluding, I wish to confess that I do think that the Universal and Apostolic (Catholic) Church is the truest and most hoenst way to God. I hope this information helps.
 
Assuming they were a part of it. I just wanted to know out of curiosity’s sake what you experienced being in the Occult, and why you saw Catholicism as a viable alternative?

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
I played with an Ouija board as a teenager with some friends and exactly nothing happened. I used to read my Grandmother’s astrology book as a kid, and again exactly nothing happened. I was not affected by these things in any way that I can see. I read alot about ghosts and the preternatural, and all it did was scare the ---- out of me and cause me to lose sleep, so I quit reading this stuff, and nothing ever happened after that.

However, what DID affect me was when friends and I signed up for a book discussion at a nearby Convent, and found out it was what was called “New Age”, and it was about as New Age as you can get. We stayed for the entire seminar because we had been unfamiliar with this stuff and felt we better get educated. It was a six-week seminar. It was put on by an ex-priest who still called himself Catholic and he actually had a shop where one could buy Tarot cards and other occult paraphenalia (but not satanic or black magic stuff). He sent out newsletters regularly, advertising his seminars and teaching on this New Age stuff. He read the Tarot, talked about auras, said rather esoteric prayers, etc, and denied the bodily Resurrrection of Jesus Christ, although he claimed to be a Christian. Why I was affected was because this was the first time I realized that this stuff had made it’s way into the Church. This seminar was held at a convent of a well-known religious order, the Sisters were on very friendly terms with the man, and just about everybody there who believed this guy was a “practicing” Catholic, as was the presenter. He actually belonged to the parish my friend attended, and then moved to mine. I have since learned of more of this type of thing happening among Catholics.

I was shocked and very deeply disturbed by all this. This was my eye-opener about just how much of this occult activity is going on among Catholics, and much of it is disguised as good, when in reality it was one of the worst violations of the First Commandment I have ever seen with my own eyes.

I have learned that a lot of times evil can be barely noticeable, but it is insidious, and can be disguised as good or, more often, harmless. Outright demonic activity following involvement with the occult is probably much rarer. The devil is clever, he can affect more souls with the soft touch, wooing people into error, making them think evil is good, and causing the ultimate destruction of their souls. And most of them aren’t even aware of it. THIS is what makes me shudder.
 

It was put on by an ex-priest who still called himself Catholic and he actually had a shop where one could buy Tarot cards and other occult paraphenalia (but not satanic or black magic stuff). He sent out newsletters regularly, advertising his seminars and teaching on this New Age stuff. He read the Tarot, talked about auras, said rather esoteric prayers, etc, and denied the bodily Resurrrection of Jesus Christ, although he claimed to be a Christian.

Why I was affected was because this was the first time I realized that this stuff had made it’s way into the Church. This seminar was held at a convent of a well-known religious order, the Sisters were on very friendly terms with the man, and just about everybody there who believed this guy was a “practicing” Catholic, as was the presenter. He actually belonged to the parish my friend attended, and then moved to mine. I have since learned of more of this type of thing happening among Catholics.

I was shocked and very deeply disturbed by all this. This was my eye-opener about just how much of this occult activity is going on among Catholics, and much of it is disguised as good, when in reality it was one of the worst violations of the First Commandment I have ever seen with my own eyes.

I have learned that a lot of times evil can be barely noticeable, but it is insidious, and can be disguised as good or, more often, harmless. Outright demonic activity following involvement with the occult is probably much rarer. The devil is clever, he can affect more souls with the soft touch, wooing people into error, making them think evil is good, and causing the ultimate destruction of their souls. And most of them aren’t even aware of it. THIS is what makes me shudder.
Your experience is really horrid. Have you reported this to the Archdiocese? I hope you do.

Yes, it is a violation of the 1st commandment, and it is heartbreaking for this to happen to Jesus Christ in His own places of worship. People can no longer tell the true from the false, and your term “insidious” perfectly describes what has taken place in our church. It has changed quite a lot in the last 15 years.

It is amazing how clergy are allowing corruption of the true faith by allowing, advocating or even practicing other religions. We need to pray pray pray for our church and religious vocations. I was at a mass last week where the priest was advocating buddhism - not quite occult, but it fits in with the general violation of the 1st commandment. I was ready to leave. Then I thought - this is a man who has dedicated his life to Jesus - he actually means this for our good! And THAT made me shudder too.

I opened a thread for feedback, and most people understood my disturbance, but some people were pretty hostile. I received some private messages from people thanking me for having the courage to speak the truth. They expressed very deep concerns about what we are referring to here. It seems to have happened so fast - the church has changed dramatically.

Another disturbing trend is the centering prayer center in CO. The main page is "Sundays at the Magic Monastery". Um…really? Magic? Is this Wicca or Catholicism?

So, I pray for the clergy and vocations, pray for His church, attend Eucharistic adoration, and in general try to be involved with ministries and try to be a positive influence in my parish. And I’ll continue to speak out the truth even though it makes others angry. 😦
 
Assuming they were a part of it. I just wanted to know out of curiosity’s sake what you experienced being in the Occult, and why you saw Catholicism as a viable alternative?

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
What do you mean by “being in the Occult”?

Using the dictionary “the occult” covers a wide range of meanings. Including matters involving the action of God to secret knowledge of unexplained powers, or the actions or secret knowledge of devils or spirits.

Meriam-Webster Occult**: **
matters regarded as involving the action or influence of supernatural or supernormal powers or some secret knowledge of them —used with the

Merriam-Webster Supernatural:
1**:** of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2 a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
2 b : attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)

Merriam-Webster Supernormal:
1**:** exceeding the normal or average
2**:** being beyond normal human powers : paranormal

Merriam-Webster Paranormal:
: not scientifically explainable : supernatural
 
Assuming they were a part of it. I just wanted to know out of curiosity’s sake what you experienced being in the Occult, and why you saw Catholicism as a viable alternative?

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
It’s a large question, asking what someone experienced on a particular religious path. The short answer for me is, a lot! I presume you’re looking for the experiences of those who were in the “occult” and then reverted or became Catholic for the first time. I can only offer you the view from the other direction. By my mid-20s, as an ex Catholic turned hardcore secular/rationalist, I had taken on a study of various faith systems, mostly out of intellectual curiosity. I found plenty of trash and treasure in each system I examined, but paganism, Wicca at that time, resonated with me. I didn’t rush into anything, but came to know a number of people who practiced it and felt increasingly drawn to over the course of 8 or 10 years, finally dedicating myself to it formally in my mid 30s.

It has brought me a growing understanding of myself and the forces that underlie all of creation. It has brought me some of the finest people I could hope to have in my life. I stay because I feel a resonance, a peace and a sense of belonging I felt in no other religious tradition, and I have had what you might call a true conversion experience.
 
When I was younger (and before I was a Christian) I had a fascination with the occult, wicca, etc… I read about it and seriously considered it. I also believed in reincarnation, believed astrology, etc. I dont remember very much except that during this time I also got into a lot of sin, and then I had dreams of demons, until I was baptized. Once I got baptized, my fascination with the occult and the dreams stopped. The interesting thing is that at the time I didn’t know much about Christianity and didn’t really understand baptism…and I wasn’t a practicing Christian, I was baptized along with my family. But it gave me the grace I needed to leave all these evil things.
 
Yoga,/centering prayer. This is occult and sadly it often happens at a catholic church/hall near you. So yes I guess my experience is seeing it infiltrate our Churches
 
Well Eugene… Your earlier post regarded “good spirits” and now questions about occult. What have you run into? Be careful.

My path has brought me down many avenues. As a teen I lived on a commune and studied Druidism. Later in life I found my way to Gnosticism, Native American Spirituality, Masonry, Wicca, Kabbalah, Hermetics, High Magic and others. I studied some concurrently. There is truth in all. I always stayed away from anything that had Satan or Lucifer in the name.

Why Roman Catholicism for me? One word - Eucharist.

I have seen miracles.
 
All my personal experience with the occult consisted in skimming through a couple of “spell books” in a library as a teenager. I was more than mildly interested in the concept of magic, but thankfully the contents of these books disappointed me so much that I did not investigate the matter further.

Most of the “spells” were blatant invocations to “deities”, and I was not particularly interested in asking favors to entities - I vaguely hoped to learn how to do some cool stuff, not to get something else to do cool stuff for me, and moreover my parents had hammered down very well the idea that it is undignified for a human being to worship anything less than omnipotent.

And when I got to the sections about the powers of crystals I pretty much threw again the books in disgust: I used to collect minerals for fun, and it was obvious that the authors had no clue whatsoever about mineralogy or crystallography.
 
I dabbled in astrology, numerology, tarot cards, runes. I did it for fun. I don’t know when it slipped over into something more serious, and then I was hooked for a couple of years, but you couldn’t have convinced me it was more than just fun. I was helped along by a “friend”, who had a friend who was a witch. Went to fortune tellers with friends at work and we thought it was lots of laughs. Honestly, the first commandment never crossed my mind. Why didn’t it? The fun was always deception. That’s how the devil works. So clear to me now.
 
Although raised Catholic, I tried several different religions in my 20’s. I looked into Hinduism, Native American, and seriously practiced and studied Buddhism, Wicca, New Age and 12 step groups. I was looking for that personal relationship with God, but wanted to make my own rules, and my own attributes for God because I found some things in the bible offensive to women. After several years of this, I realized that these other religions and practices never delivered what they promised - none of them really answered back in the way Christ did (so much for the personal relationship with God). So I tried atheism for a week or so but could never bring myself to admit that God did not exist, plus I always knew Jesus was the son of God, so I was left with a big void and no where to turn.

I came back to Christianity shortly after the try at atheism - I heard the gospel preached on TV, bought and started reading the bible, and was visited by an angel who enabled me to quit smoking after trying for 10 years. Christianity is the one religion which answered back in utter crazy love and holiness and in a very personal way.

Why specifically Catholicism? Well, I had tried many other denominations during the two years following my reconversion, but they lacked the reverence of worshiping a Holy God like we do in the Catholic church. They could not imagine kneeling before God, and I wanted to bow down and prostrate myself! It seemed like we were talking about Him during the church service but not actually worshiping Him - and Jesus says that God is looking for those to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. So, I went from church to church, denomination to denomination and could not find Him there. I eventually came back to Catholicism when:
a) I was out of empty denominations to try and realized that after reading the bible I disagreed with much of their doctrine anyway!
b) I started reading writings by the saints which matched my experiences and realized the saints were Catholic
c) I felt strongly called to a religious vocation and there weren’t many options outside of Catholicism
d) I prayed and researched my disagreements with Catholicism to successful resolution
e) I realized that the Catholic church really was the true church founded by Christ and since obedience to God was very important I had to obey
f) I prayed the Rosary while meditating on the mysteries - which I had never done before. Quite an impact.

The Eucharist and obedience keeps me here, plus He has not left me. He is still utter crazy love, holy, and very personal.

What about you Bohm? What makes you ask this?
 
My husband was very deep in to dark arts - I did not know until after we were married - we are now getting divorced. I don’t talk about it a lot. It was scary and evil. There was a lot of abuse and adultery in the home and he had psych issues. I will not say enough to recreate anything that was done. The worst thing is he still attended Mass and acted as a good Catholic - I did the best I could to get him help but our priest did not believe what I said. Others did later when they heard from him. I won’t say anymore - if you want to know you can PM me with why you want to know.
 
When we were both 13 a friend of mine bought a Ouija board and used it. While it didn’t reveal anything “cool” to us, it did move rather easily. You are supposed to put your fingertips on it and guide it, but there were times that it seemed that something else was pulling it. While we are doing this, there suddenly was a terrible, terrible thunderstorm outside. One of the questions we asked, was “Did you bring on this storm?” and the pointer went rather quickly to “yes”. Needless to say, it scared us and we put it away for good.
 
What about you Bohm? What makes you ask this?
I have never dabbled with the Occult, and hopefully I never will. I find many of these stories here incredibly interesting to read. Whilst they are personal, they do illustrate the fact that as humans we aren’t the only one’s in this world. St. Padre Pio himself made a remark along the lines that if we were ever able to see the total number of demons in this world, they would blacken the day sky.

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
By my mid-20s, as an ex Catholic turned hardcore secular/rationalist, I had taken on a study of various faith systems, mostly out of intellectual curiosity. I found plenty of trash and treasure in each system I examined, but paganism, Wicca at that time, resonated with me…
Similar story for me.

I was born and raised in a Catholic-ish environment, but even as a very, very young child I always kinda had one foot in a world different than the one we “know.” I didn’t have words for it back then, though my mother (a holiday Catholic) used to inexplicably tell me now and then that she was a witch. No idea why, she never said or did anything remotely pagan, and I already knew whatever “it” was, it wasn’t something you talked about.

I soon lost interest in Catholicism once in school, and was more an atheist type for a few decades, even with the odd things I knew and experienced. But those things were just my life, my experiences, so I never thought of them as “beliefs” or a religion. There was this ordinary world… and there was, well, something else too. Intertwined, reflections.

I’d never heard about “real” magic until one day a friend of mine mentioned she was curious about this “Wicca” thing, so I went shopping for wiccan-like Christmas presents for her. And I kept having these, *“Oh, you too?!?!” *experiences about what I found and read. Not all of it mind you, a lot of it is fluff, but I could read between the lines and kinda see that the roots of it all, roots which I seemed to share.

So a decade of digging into all of that followed. And it’s beautiful in many ways, but ultimately it just seemed to be an artificial framework for things I’d known anyway since birth. An artistic expression of something already there. Pretty, worth admiring, but I wanted to stop admiring other people’s work and get back to painting, lol.

And now I’m here. I really don’t know why, other than saying I seem to be kinda like Merlin in The Once and Future King, living backwards through time to my childhood again, knowing how things turn out but not how they began…
 
I am a re-vert to the faith, and had a lot of baggage of sin to get rid of over the last couple of years.

My experience of the occult began as a child, reading ghost stories for children, and this sparked a curiosity that became like an addiction. While still considering myself Catholic, I thought it was also ok to wonder about ghosts and the paranormal. I went to psychic shows, watched every paranormal investigation programme possible, wasted money on books detailing ghostly apparitions, etc. At no point did I see it was in contradiction with my faith sadly, and would argue that it even backed up my faith, because it proved there was eternal life - wonder which mastermind was behind all of this??!!!

Then I realised that my addiction had gone from being relatively harmless ( though now I see nothing was harmless), as in, stories about creaking floorboards, white ladies, etc., to something much more sinister. The interest in psychics became a desperate hope that I would hear from loved ones that had “crossed over” (cringe), instead of focussing on Christ or even praying for them.

Anyway, it kind of came to a head when I realised that the paranormal investigation TV programmes had developed from such harmless beginnings to attempting contact with the devil / demons. This frightenened the life out of me, and I did some research on it and found a video online by an Episcopalian minister I think it was, warning how quickly messing around with the paranormal leads to demons. For a while I felt fearful in my own home even, in a weird way, really oppressed, as though every room was heavy with evil, that’s the only way I can describe it. I thought I had invited “them” in to my home in some way and was petrified.

Luckily, this fear was one of the factors that drove me to prayer, and I suddenly saw the whole paranormal interest area for what it really was - driven by Satan and ultimately leading to him. I am now convinced that these psychics on TV are getting in touch with evil spirits who mimic deceased family members to further ignite interest in the area and lead people away from praying for the dead. Also, I would not be surprised to learn that ghostly apparitions are the same, engineered by demons to keep people interested and further draw them into the occult. You see no matter how many series of investigations I watched, I was always left wanting more - it was almost like I was being teased with unexplained phenomena.

The main thing is it’s a slippery slope, and the only way is down - what begins as something you might be vaguely curious about quicly turns into an unhealthy obsession.
 
so many posts, so little time…

but anyhow… I used a oiji board when a child… fortunately not very much & my mother probably evntually threw the thing away w/o telling us…

but i have been around ppl who (i didn’t know it) were into satanism… I could palpably FEEL the presence of evil around me… once so strongly that i thought for sure they were going to “get me”… & there was nothing i could do about it… so scared i felt i couldn’t even pray… but i did & … eventually got the h-- out of there…

i dabbled in astrology when very young, which i feel is occultic…

i feel the astrology profiles get people to discriminate against others… “Oh, you’re Sagittarious… i don’t get along with you cuz you are [fill in the blanks]” and that kind of thing… Geeze… I want to judge (assess) a person by his character/depth, not something as superficial as his “sign”
 
When I was younger, I took up a serious interest in it, until I found Christianity. I still feel no hatred towards Wiccans, for I know they are not of the devil, but rather, worship the Earth. Wiccans are not Satanic - however, the Occult can include Satanic practices. In fact, Wiccans do not even believe in Satan. I think Wicca is a very interesting religion that should be tolerated as with any other (Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.) However, I found Christianity to be a better fit for me.

If you are talking church of Satan, that is a different story. The Church of Satan holds almost all the Seven Deadly Sins as virtues, and vice versa. I do not hate them - rather, I pity them - but they do tend to hate others, so that is one fear.

Also, to the person who said yoga was of the Occult: actually, yoga is a Buddhist practice, in which prayer is often included.
 
My daughter saw an evil spirit in her bedroom. I had to bless the room and put holy pictures around, along with crucifixes and holy water. She was definitely frightened, and it took a while to get her to sleep in her own room. She was in grade school at the time, and I think she and her friends were playing the game with mirrors and candles, trying to contact a spirit called Mary Worth or Bloody Mary. This was based on an urban legend of some kind, and the girls were playing this game, although they did not tell anyone until the dark spirit entered my daughter’s room. Then everyone knew.
 
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