Can Anyone Explain the Episcopal View on Abortion?

[JonNC]

Exactly! If all of the continuing Anglicans and orthodox Anglicans had never left TEC over the years, then we would be looking at a different Episcopal Church, I think. Everytime a parish or diocese leaves, the more radical TEC becomes.

The truth is, many orthodox Anglicans left the church and those of us who chose to stay “high and dry,” so to speak. I don’t fault anybody for following their conscience, however, what does 20+ different continuing
Anglican churches do for the communion and Anglicans in North America? It’s ridiculous! Only one church in America is recognized as being Anglican, according to England, and that is TEC. If the church completely abandons the faith and creeds, i’m gone…but that day is not today or tomorrow.

I have a number of Lutheran friends and relatives in the ELCA who have explained their steadfastness there in the same way.

Jon

 

[GKC]

Exactly! If all of the continuing Anglicans and orthodox Anglicans had never left TEC over the years, then we would be looking at a different Episcopal Church, I think. Everytime a parish or diocese leaves, the more radical TEC becomes.

The truth is, many orthodox Anglicans left the church and those of us who chose to stay “high and dry,” so to speak. I don’t fault anybody for following their conscience, however, what does 20+ different continuing
Anglican churches do for the communion and Anglicans in North America? It’s ridiculous! Only one church in America is recognized as being Anglican, according to England, and that is TEC. If the church completely abandons the faith and creeds, i’m gone…but that day is not today or tomorrow.

Good luck.

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus

 

[Anna_Scott]

jinc1019,
I think if all orthodox Anglicans had remained in the Anglican Communion; the Episcopal Church might look differently than it does now. When orthodox Episcopalians leave, it opens the door for even more radical liberals to enter and gain ground. All the media attention about same-sex unions and ordinations of those in same-sex relationships is a huge advertisement for liberals, both churched and unchurched, who then flock to The Episcopal Church. This is how a Church is hijacked.

I will remain in TEC as long as I possibly can–as long as my Parish remains orthodox. At this point, the orthodox Anglicans, including Priests and Bishops, are not required to submit to or agree with the liberal actions/teachings of TEC leadership. We are not required to submit religious mind and will to our leadership as Catholics must submit to the Roman Pontiff.

Ironically, Catholics are very critical of the number of “denominations” and how non-Catholics church-hop to find what suits them. But–when we are hesitant to further fracture the Body of Christ, we are criticized for that too. . .

Exactly! If all of the continuing Anglicans and orthodox Anglicans had never left TEC over the years, then we would be looking at a different Episcopal Church, I think. Everytime a parish or diocese leaves, the more radical TEC becomes.

The truth is, many orthodox Anglicans left the church and those of us who chose to stay “high and dry,” so to speak. I don’t fault anybody for following their conscience, however, what does 20+ different continuing
Anglican churches do for the communion and Anglicans in North America? It’s ridiculous! Only one church in America is recognized as being Anglican, according to England, and that is TEC. If the church completely abandons the faith and creeds, i’m gone…but that day is not today or tomorrow.

seanman611,
I appreciate your comments Sean. I agree that each person must follow their conscience. However, I do believe TEC would be completely different, if no one had left.

However, like you, if TEC completely abandons faith and creeds, we will have no choice but to leave. I pray that day never comes.

Our Rector approaches the issue, borrowing a quote, “I don’t threaten to leave; I threaten to stay!” (I can’t remember the author of the quote.)

Peace,
Anna

 

[Anna_Scott]

Good luck.

GKC

posterus traditus Anglicanus

Good luck with that? O.K. Dr. Phil.

 

[ImmaculataFides]

God gives man free will to do whatever he wants.

Um, no. Free will does not give us the right to sin.

 

[jinc1019]

No I am not missing the point. Of course everyone can not possibly be right. That is certainly the truth. But now to “know” with 100% absolute certainty without some faith thrown in is another matter. That’s the point I think you may be missing. In a society of plural faiths and beliefs, and views, not everyone shares the same ones. This issue especially reflects such differences. Society then attempts to come up with laws for its land. Which may or not always reflect what you or I believe to be God’s truth. God bless you along your faith journey and peace.

You are abdoning the idea that life is a biological scientific fact that can be verified. At the very minimum, we should not be killing a fetus that could survive without its mother, and as a matter of policy and fact, many states still do this. Pro-abortion individuals hide behind this loose concept that there really is no way of knowing when a person becomes a person (which, as I said earlier, is really no better because if we don’t know, then we should approach the issue with caution and not abort anyone) when scientifically, it’s pretty clear that at some point, cells become a human and that human is being killed every single day. Forget about what we LEGALLY decide to call a human for a minute and ask when does a person become, biologically, a human. At the very minimum, we shouldn’t abort then.

I would also like to remind you that for hundreds of years Western Civilization argued that Africans were NOT human but rather sub-species. And what was this based on? Science? Fact? No. It was based on some loose concept of what is really a human rather than looking at the science behind what made a human a human and seeing we were all biologically exactly the same.