Can anyone give an atheist a good starting point?

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Hey everyone, i hope you don’t mind me resurrecting this old thread, but it is a continuation 🙂

I have been reading the resources on this site at length for a long time now, as well as listening to the radio show podcast. I find it very informative.

I feel content with my atheism, but at the same time, i sometimes feel “lost”…it is difficult for me to explain.

Does anyone know how to approach this?

Thank you for your time, in advance
I believe in God with my whole heart and soul, always have, and at times I feel lost. So yes I can relate.

When I feel lost I realize I have somehow forgot to put God first in my day.

When you have a day that was just a normal everyday day… Nothing to look forward to, nothing to complain about, … that’s usually my lost day.

So I learn to take it and say, okay God, as my kids used to say, learn me something today. Then it changes.
 
I feel content with my atheism, but at the same time, i sometimes feel “lost”…it is difficult for me to explain.

Does anyone know how to approach this?
I personally have a hard time understanding an issue (any issue) without being able to see and compare all the different sides. So I would use the Catholic resources mentioned above, or my favorite, “Catholic Christianity: A Complete Catechism of Catholic Church Beliefs Based on the Catechism of the Catholic Church” by Peter Kreeft (see here), and then also look at the atheist side, say P. Z. Myers’ website (see here) or book (see here). Maybe something on the atheist side will strike you as so clearly wrong that you will find your way to God.
 
I feel content with my atheism, but at the same time, i sometimes feel “lost”…it is difficult for me to explain.
Dear Taylor,
There is a great deal at stake, your immortal soul and your eternal life. So it’s good that you don’t want to settle until you know for sure.
C.S.Lewis said that he occasionally had doubts about God’s existence, but that when he was an atheist he also had doubts about God’ non-existence. That’s why we need faith, because we can’t see God to be sure.
Have you read the gospel of John? Jesus said “blessed are those who do not see, and yet believe.”
I recommend reading the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John if you haven’t already. Jesus as presented there is the most striking figure in literature.
If his words don’t move you, consider this: why would his disciples have submitted to torturous deaths if what they believed was a lie? They all saw him after he was resurrected. They all, except John who was exiled, were killed for following him.
Ask God for the gift of faith.

God bless.
 
I liked the books “A Case For…” There are many… A Case for Creation, A Case for Christ, A Case for Faith, A Case for Easter… A Case for Christ is also in documentary form on Netflix

These are written by Lee Strobel A Chicago Tribune reporter who was a former Athiest/ Agnostic. When his wife and child became Christian, he started looking into it but with a Journalists eyes… looking for concrete evidence.

He NEVER divulges his “denomination” nor is it apparent. It is just very objective looking at the historical/witness/scientific evidence.

Portions are also available for FREE on Youtube… just search for Lee Strobel
 
Hey everyone, i hope you don’t mind me resurrecting this old thread, but it is a continuation 🙂

I have been reading the resources on this site at length for a long time now, as well as listening to the radio show podcast. I find it very informative.

I feel content with my atheism, but at the same time, i sometimes feel “lost”…it is difficult for me to explain.

Does anyone know how to approach this?

Thank you for your time, in advance
Seek God through:
  1. The Church. Start attending a Christian Church. Try some different ones. Of course I prefer Catholic. However, my wife is Protestant and that works for her. I enjoy her services as well. But being anchored in a church is important.
  2. Spend time with God on your own. This includes prayer and reading the Bible.
  3. Get scholarly instruction on how to improve your walk with God. Lighthouse media is a great and inexpensive source for Catholic CD’s. Many are done by converts who became Catholic scholars. There are also great Protestant sources of instruction. My wife and I like Joyce Meyer for her “down to earth” style. However, there are many others.
  4. Seek God through service. One of the most important ways to encounter Christ is in others who are lacking or suffering.
Good luck.
 
Thank you for all the responses so far. It is very much appreciated.

Does everyone else agree that any Christian church is acceptable to visit?
 
Thank you for all the responses so far. It is very much appreciated.

Does everyone else agree that any Christian church is acceptable to visit?
You’re starting from the ground up. I’d always recommend starting with the Church that has the fullness of Truth, and that’s the Catholic Church. But if there is no Catholic church near where you are, then yes, I’d more than encourage you to visit other denominations. Heck, I’d encourage you to visit a Jewish synagogue!

All good places to at least get in touch with the Father and you can go from there.
 
Hey everyone,

I thought I would resurrect this old thread again rather than create a new one.

Since I started this thread, I am still unsure how to proceed. I want to be a part of something to make a difference, but at the same time, I am unsure how to find something that isn’t religious without being dishonest about my beliefs.

There are some local churches that do some things that I really like but I feel I can’t fully endorse what they believe in.

There are some atheist meet ups near me that I have considered attending, but aside from discussions, they don’t seem to be active in the community. I’m talking about charitable works, not necessarily “converting” people.

What I am saying probably sounds very muddled or confused, and if I’m honest, that is because that is my current state of mind.

If anyone could suggest a way to proceed forward, it would be very much appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,

TaylorCat
 
Hello Taylor!

I joined the forums today when I saw your post. I just had to respond. I have known two people like you in my life. The first one… He converted to Christianity (not Catholic but close enough!), and the other… I think I failed her. I still feel ashamed about how poorly I represented my faith and so I figured I would try my best to explain my own faith journey to you. I hope it makes sense and I really hope it helps you in some small way.

I was always Catholic at least in name but I was and am very very cynical. It is hard for me to believe anything without evidence. On its surface the Catholic Faith does seem very irrational – I know this. The media DESTROYS us. It’s all about creation in 6 days and killing gay people and our enemies. None of this is true of course. I’m sure you are (or recently were) under the impression God is a male in the clouds with a white beard. Preposterous. I don’t believe in this God and neither should you.

I entered the phase of real belief primarily through reason. I found Faith through Philosophy (I will give a brief version below). It is hard to demonstrate the characteristics of a God found through Philosophy, but I would suggest Aquinas for that as many others here have. Unfortunately, summaries don’t do him justice. You have to go to the source texts and hit it for days on end to ‘get it’. Keep in mind that Catholicism is Philosophy and Theology inseparably intertwined. For the record, this is why I think it is the strongest religion. Even the Jewish Faith has far less advanced philosophy (though it is older). To be part of Catholicism is to be a part of something truly amazing!

But on to the good stuff!

The short philosophical argument for God is this:

-Our Universe is Finite. All things are born and die.
-As ancient philosophers explained (in different terms): You can’t have a train with no locomotive. SOMETHING started everything. You can’t have things just ‘existing’ where one things causes the next because you can always ask "What caused X? Y. What caused Y? Z. This is like saying: What caused Train car 1 to move? Train Car 2! No! The locomotive (a first mover) must be pulling everything or how could train car 2 move train car 1! (infinite regress problems!)
-This something CANNOT be of this realm since all things of this realm degrade and die according to observation and science. This something had to somehow exist outside everything and start everything and be outside of our concept of time or it would fall for the same train fallacy.

So there must be a truly mighty prime mover that started everything, and based on the fact we live in a world where we have free choice (i.e., we are not irrational animals), we can assume this prime mover is a pretty cool entity 🙂

According to the non-Catholic philosophers of Greece (and Catholic ones too of course) who searched purely with reason as I just have, there has to be some incredible and Good entity that has set things up. We as Catholics define Him with much more detail than this, but many of these articles of Belief require many arguments to substantiate, and I will tell you strait away that to a very skeptical person that are not convincing immediately.

But if you want to work to understand that there is a God I think you should attack the question using pure reason in the way I have outlined. There is a lot more meat to put on the bare bones I presented, but this is an intuitive start I think.

I hope I help in some small way. If you need elaboration on anything here I will do my best to try and help. I hope you try the faith on. It will be awkward and foreign, but trust me, wherever you go you will be welcomed. People are very impressed by people like you who are trying to learn to believe. Sometimes a message board isn’t as good as a face to face convo!
 
Hi Taylorcat,

Have you sver watched Fr. Barron’s youtube videos? He has a great series of videos on youtube about the Catholic faith, God, and even movie reviews! You can find them if you just type in his name into youtube. He is excellent and very popular. I’ve heard that even non Catholics just find his videos so satisfying, they keep watching them… 🙂

I think one of the reasons you are looking to join the Church is for a sense of community. Now there is nothing wrong with this, but if you do decide to join the Church eventually, this should not be you primary reason; it should be because you believe the Church is true and its claims are true. If you just want community, you can find it in many places afterall. However, I’m not suggesting you get rid of your desire for community, but question why we have it. Sure animals have groups they live in, but only human beings need other people in order to be happy. Where does this desire come from?

Ultimately, the greatest and most glorious community is the communion of Saints.*Our hope is in joining this company eventually. I don’t have any books to recommend on the saints as a whole, but I suggest you listen to the litany of saints (best in latin for me :D).
youtu.be/CKWRuFjIRFo
I like Gregorian chants as well, like Te Deum. You can find them on youtube. For some reason, these songs really give me a sense of the majesty of Heaven with all the saints. I know this isn’t a philosophical argument, and I don’t usually give out music recommendations as a reply to these types of questions, but human beings aren’t just made up of calculating reason. Sometimes music speaks to us more deeply.
You may also like to read about individual saints. My personal favourite is St. Therese of Lisieux.

*Actually, the greatest community is the Trinity, but the communion of Saints is the joining of human beings and angels to the Trinity… a bit of high theology, but this is what Catholics believe our ultimate destiny is.

I recommend you go to Eucharistic adoration. Try and go once a week. Also, try and get a good priest to talk with- just contact your nearest parish. Its easier for them to guide you when they can speak with you directly. They might be also able to help you find some good Catholic friends who you can speak with.

Hope some of this helps 🙂 Feel free to PM me if you have questions or want to chat!
 
Thank you so much flame4 and PHILTHEO. Very insightful reading.

I think I need to do some research, so once my current year of university is over (which is next week…yay!) I will do some in depth reading from multiple view points. At this moment in time, the only perspective I have seen as persuasive and logical is atheism, but I am always willing to be corrected if I am wrong about that. 🙂
 
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