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I second the suggestion that you give your friend Catholicism and Fundamentalism by Karl Keating. He goes over the most common of Protestant misunderstandings about the Church and clears them up very convincingly. If you haven’t read it, do yourself a favor.

Peace,
Linda
 
Hi, you said any one help, right?

Let me ask just one question. Jesus didn’t die for Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Mormons, Baptist, Seventh-day Adventist, Satanists and many other religious beliefs, did He?

Who then did Jesus not die for? None is correct. He died for all.

If He died for all, then “ALL” are covered in Love, His Love: that is why He said, “Love your neighbor as thy self”.

Without that, (love) anybody’s religion is no good.

So, if you are going to be a “Good” Catholic or a “Good Protestant”, then be the best that you can be.

God is not worshiped by the religion that one has, but by the heart of one that has Him.

He is life, and without Him, there is no life.

Peace>>>AJ
 
Dear look3467, thanks for your comments. I appreciate the thought. However, since Jesus calls us to worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth, and He Himself said he is the Truth, and that the Truth will set you free, one begins to get an inkling that Truth is important to God.

In order to be the best Catholic, Protestant, or anything else, one must have a hunger and thirst to know the Truth, since that is who God is. Part of that search requires sorting through the myriad of ideas and opinions. Keep the truth and reject all falsehood.

One of the Psalms says “I hate every false way”. It is what we must do. God is not pleased in any way by complacency and indifference regarding truth. Jude says we are to “earnestly contend for the faith once delivered”.

I just had a look at your public profile, and I guessed in advance that your religion would be Non Denominational. Can I encourage you to look more closely at what you believe and are prepared to take a stand for?

When someone describes themself as Catholic, Baptist, Anglican or whatever, they are associating themselves with a certain set of beliefs and traditions. They are interested in standing publicly for their beliefs and know someday they may be challenged to defend them, because they believe them to be true.

It seems that Non Denom means that you may not be sure of what you believe or why, and therefore see debate about certain doctrines as something to be avoided.

All the truth is in the Catholic Church. Look more closely, pray for guidance and you may see it.

I am not in debate with my friend as a passtime to stir up trouble, but rather perchance to share the “big picture” version of the truth with him. Maybe one day he will rejoice as I have for finding the pearl of great price in the truth of the Catholic faith. This is why I have come to this forum, so generous folks can share with me their understanding and wisdom which has, in turn, been shaped and moulded by the Church’s own wisdom, handed down for 2,000 years!

I dont mean this as a personal attack on you in any way. You are an anonymous as anyone else here, including myself. It is meant as an encouragement to not be content with “church lite” religion.

There is so much more that God has for you than you currently have, because you are not (yet) in the Church that He Himself founded, and guides on a daily basis. The CC is not just another denomination for people to browse when deciding which one most appeals to their taste. It is THE Church. All the others are mere breakaways from the vine.
 
**Captaincoog, ** Hi
That was an excellent response to my post. And I have no problem with it.

Where I am now, in my belief system, if you will, is with a more mature look at the workings of our Lord Jesus.

I realize the struggle of degree for achievement to certain levels of godliness, which is all very simple in understanding.

For one esteems one day over another, and another chooses what type of meat to eat.

That is a sample of man’s desire to please God with their actions and practices.

Recall this verse:
Isa 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats
.

These are all of man’s doings, whether sacrifices of animals or some ritualistic type of sacrifice.

This was a shadow of the thing that was to come, and when it came, those sacrifices ceased.

What is left then? Is not in mans abilities to gain favor by personal sacrifices and struggles, for favor we all have already. That is what is called “salvation”.

Salvation is** “Granted”** free of charge as Jesus found favor of the Father for all of us, thereby, freeing us up to worship from the heart rather than from the works of our hands.

So, when I said a more mature look, was not to say that you or others are less than I, but in all humbleness, I love more with my understanding of freedom than I did before.

Before, I was a converted Catholic to the Baptist belief system. I thank God for that not because it was Baptist, but because of it I was able to learn more about scriptures then if I would have remained a Catholic.

I’m confessing now, as you can tell. But, as one breaks away is not so to condemn but to become enlightened on the way things are and how the things ought to be.

As a Baptist, the concept that all who do not accept Jesus as their savior are considered lost and the motive to reach out to all becomes an obsession.

Being that then: there is this thing called “Division” or more directly, judgmental.

Yes, Christ is discovered in a different light in that He becomes of a more personal nature, but then yet, requires that everybody else think the same way.

Here then is where I have arrived to in my walk and understanding of our God, even though it may not find friends out there, just the same, but I feel and believe that it brings me to a more mature way of looking at God. Hence my signature name, “Look”.

Jesus died for nothing less then “ALL” living and dead souls period. Meaning the souls who lived and died from the first Adam to Christ and every living soul after Christ till……well when He decides to end it all. But, I suspect not, since of His kingdom there is no end, therefore, the earth is His plantation. And He will harvest to His hearts content for as long as He wants.

Because then He died for “ALL”, that places everybody on and even keel, where there is now Jew nor Greek, but all are brothers in Jesus.

That also translates in that there are no holier than thou individuals regardless of what religion they espouse.

Religion and it’s practices does keep people in line, but does not allow for the heart to worship God directly, in that it must first be tied to some human concept of how God should be worshiped.

OK, all that brings me to say this: There is neither Catholic, protestant or Jew, but all of us are brothers and sisters “IN” Jesus.

Requirement then is: “Love one another, as I have loved you”.

Can we love if we place conditions on it? Do we have to be all Catholics to practice love from the heart? Do we have to be Protestants to practice love from the heart? Or: any other religion for that matter.

So, If I love, is because I choose to love, first because He first loved me, and second, because He requires it.

Nothing else He said, but just love.

Is there a church anywhere that is called “Just Love”? NO! : Because we all are that church.

The body of Christ is the Church (The spirit of it) and not the building or the organization.

We are free from all of that, and if free, then love without condition.

I’m not wanting that any body change their religious affiliations, but to “look” at our brothers and sisters the same way Jesus “Looked” at us as He hung on the cross and said:

“Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”.

Peace>>>AJ
 
The problem in the conversation was that he would not accept testimonies from the Fathers because, as I explained, they were not necessarily infallible in their writings. He said therefore you cannot pick and choose which bits fit with the CC and dismiss anything that is not official. e.g. Augustine’s view of predestination.
Many protestant writings have been accepted as “truth” despite the fallibility of the author (Tim LeHaye’s Left Behind series comes to mind)

I’ve seen many a protestant accept their pastor’s interpretation of scripture - despite his fallibility.

The truth is…there was one Church in the beginning, and those Church Fathers belonged to it. It is immensely important to examine what they had to say, and to examine it carefully.
These early christians cannot be easily dismissed unless one is afraid of what he may find.

I found the book Upon This Rock by Stephen K. Ray to be exceptional.
 
I, too, STRONGLY recommend that you give your friend
Karl Keating’s book CATHOLICISM AND FUNDAMENTALISM.
It is fantastic.
Love, Jaypeeto4
 
Lorarose, Hi
If we take the spirit of Christ, which is now the Holy Spirit, we find that that is what is our teacher.

Citing:
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him
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The: fallibility of man is addressed by Paul an Apostle to the Gentiles in the fallowing verse:
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
Thereby I say, the church is the spirit of Christ and not the spirit of Christ the church.

The church: the body of Christ was born at the resurrection as an infant of which the whole of mankind is, and is growing as a infant grows, by first crawling then walking, then running, then learning what’s right and what’s wrong.

Getting into mischief, falling, getting up.

All part of the body with many members, stumbling, growing.

All this is a picture of the Church growing pains.

Peace>>>AJ
 
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look3467:
Where I am now, in my belief system, if you will, is with a more mature look at the workings of our Lord Jesus.
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Jesus died for nothing less then “ALL” living and dead souls period. Meaning the souls who lived and died from the first Adam to Christ and every living soul after Christ till……well when He decides to end it all.
As a Catholic, I most certainly agree that Jesus died for all, as you so eloquently stated above. And I also agree that we must follow his command that we love one another.

In your post, you summarize what is now, as you say, your belief system, based on your own understanding of scripture. It is your own theological system. That is simply what any “organized” church does–it derives its own theology either from the word of the scriptures or from what was handed down from previous generations, or both. Whether you call it non-demoninational, or give the belief system a formal name, doesn’t make much difference.
 
Would you say, it is the Holy Spirit that teaches me then?

And yes, that’s my own belief system. But if I despence love for whomever, then surely my works show forth the love of God in me.

need I an organized religion to do that?

Peace>>>AJ
 
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look3467:
But if I despence love for whomever, then surely my works show forth the love of God in me.
And that’s a good and admirable thing.
need I an organized religion to do that?
Apparently not, as you have organized your own.
 
With my system since we decided to label it that, I can work within any organized religion and show forth God’s love without compramizing anybody’s values.

For the love of Christ is upon all, and all who would minister to their fellow human beings in whatever capacity, whether priest or layman, nurse or just a next door neighbor, love has no bounds.

For me to accept a Catholic, protestant, a Budhist into the broerhood of Jesus, is with delight for love is the vehicle by which we can be united in one body for the glory and honor of our Lord Jesus.

In a case of a fraction: Love as the numerator and division the denominator, you can see that love covers all and is divicible by none.

No walls, no particians, no steps, no rituals, no incense, just love.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Onces love is perfected, it is given and not required.

Peace>>>AJ
 
Thereby I say, the church is the spirit of Christ and not the spirit of Christ the church.
Well sure…you can say whatever you want to say. This is your personal interpretation - and a vague interpretation at that.
The truth is …Jesus DID leave behind a visible, physical church with a visible physical leadership.The Early Fathers were members of this one unified Church.
Again…I refer to Upon This Rock by Stephen K. Ray.
This book delves deeply into scriptural support.
 
Well sure…you can say whatever you want to say. This is your personal interpretation - and a vague interpretation at that.
The truth is …Jesus DID leave behind a visible, physical church with a visible physical leadership.The Early Fathers were members of this one unified Church.
Again…I refer to Upon This Rock by Stephen K. Ray.
This book delves deeply into scriptural support
Lorarose,

May the Love of Jesus be examplfied in you and in your church as the body hungers for Him.

My blessings to you and peace>>>AJ
 
the opposite of truth is lie.if rcc teaches and has the truth,then our separated protestants brethen possess the opposite!
 
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