Can anyone quote where in the healthcare bill it says that it will fund abortions?

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I keep hearing that the healthcare bill is going to fund abortions…then I hear from other people that it will not. I have yet to see any conclusive evidence for either side though. Can anyone quote me the part of the bill (or something authoritative) saying that it will fund abortions, and specify how much it will fund abortions and in what circumstances?
 
I will be happy to be corrected, but this is my understanding. There will be various insurance exchanges set up in each state that receive federal subsidies. Some will offer abortion while at least one in each state will not. For those that offer abortion everyone in the plan will write 2 checks when paying their premium; one of the checks goes into a pool that will be used for abortion services.

It is my understanding that the subsidy will be the same for plans that offer abortion and those that do not. Hence, I don’t see how one can say that the federal government is funding abortion.

Actually, this is more transparency than is present now. I have insurance, but don’t know if it covers abortion; it probably does. At least here you can enter a plan that does not cover abortion.

This is a complex subject so once again I welcome correction.
 
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**WHO DO YOU TRUST???
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Do you trust Mr. Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid & the other politicians pushing this bill, who are all strongly pro-choice (ie. they get MILLIONS of $$$$$ from abortion providers like Planned Parenthood), or do you trust Jesus Christ as He speaks about the value of every human life through the Catholic Bishops, who, despite being human & imperfect, have no financial stake in this argument?

i’ll take the Bishops every day!!!

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I keep hearing that the healthcare bill is going to fund abortions…then I hear from other people that it will not. I have yet to see any conclusive evidence for either side though. Can anyone quote me the part of the bill (or something authoritative) saying that it will fund abortions, and specify how much it will fund abortions and in what circumstances?
Well I havent read the new, updated bill, but in the old house version there was a provision that would set up a mandatory tax (only $1) to go to a slush fund for “Womens Reproductive Health”… That was the only provision in the bill, with no mention of abortion either for or against state funding. But I think we all know what “womens reproductive health” is legalese for… And I dont want ANY of my money, even only $1, to go to funding abortion. The Stupak amendment put an end to this, but it has subsequently been removed…

I need to read the new bill to be certain, but I trust the bishops on this one.

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Can anyone quote me the part of the bill (or something authoritative) saying that it will fund abortions, and specify how much it will fund abortions and in what circumstances?
Do you suppose there is anything in the bill that specifically states that it will fund tonsillectomies? Can anyone believe for a moment that, simply because it doesn’t specifically say that tonsillectomies will be funded, somehow that procedure is not covered? The Senate rejected language that would have banned funding for abortion believing, correctly, that unless it was specifically excluded then it would automatically be included. The “separate check for abortion coverage” is a sham.

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Do you suppose there is anything in the bill that specifically states that it will fund tonsillectomies? Can anyone believe for a moment that, simply because it doesn’t specifically say that tonsillectomies will be funded, somehow that procedure is not covered? The Senate rejected language that would have banned funding for abortion believing, correctly, that unless it was specifically excluded then it would automatically be included. The “separate check for abortion coverage” is a sham.

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But what proof do you have that it would cover abortions? Does regular healthcare now cover it? I really have no idea about it.
 
Does regular healthcare now cover it? .
In some cases, but not universally. The exact statistic is debated, but perhaps 48% of private insurance policies in the US cover abortion.

However, five states (Idaho, Kentucky, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma) prohibit private insurance from offering coverage except in the case of rape or the mother’s life in danger. The law in those states allow riders to be added to an insurance policy to cover abortion, but whether those riders are available or used is questionable.
 
I . Can anyone quote me the part of the bill (or something authoritative) saying that it will fund abortions, and specify how much it will fund abortions and in what circumstances?
are you kidding? I cannot even find in the various forms of the bill floating around, specific language that says it will fund healthcare.
 
But what proof do you have that it would cover abortions? Does regular healthcare now cover it? I really have no idea about it.
Those who wrote it are very clever. They know there are Pro-life democrats out there, both in congress and in the populace. They wouldn’t ever put clear language in there that says “such and such amount is to be allocated for abortions” or “this bill pays for abortions on demand”.

Since Abortion is a vital plank in the Democrat platform and this is a Democrat-written bill, I’m surprised that anyone would think that the plan wouldn’t include funding for abortion. I’d expect the same for a Republican bill, if they were in power and chose to author health care reform legislation, except quite the opposite, there would be no funding for abortions and quite probably language prohibiting such.
 
are you kidding? I cannot even find in the various forms of the bill floating around, specific language that says it will fund healthcare.
I can recall our president saying that the “right” to an abortion is fundamental. We all know how Ms. Pelosi feels about this issue. Even if you were told now that abortion funding is not in the bill, would you actually believe them? Look at all the things they told us would come to pass and have not. Wake up, people. Our healthcare system needs to be reformed, but coverage for those who do not now have it is much more sensible than tearing up the whole system. It would be less costly. And in this time when our country is teetering on becoming a financial disaster, we cannot afford this plan. And if you believe that this is really about healthcare, I got a bridge I am dying to rid myself of.
 
I keep hearing that the healthcare bill is going to fund abortions…then I hear from other people that it will not. I have yet to see any conclusive evidence for either side though. Can anyone quote me the part of the bill (or something authoritative) saying that it will fund abortions, and specify how much it will fund abortions and in what circumstances?
Let me try this on for size for you: it doesn’t say that it won’t fund abortion. Therefore it will.

I am citing from HR 4872, the “reconciliation bill” passed last night by the House.

Section 123 defines a Health Benefits Advisory Committee whose job it is to define recommendations for what are, exactly, the procedures that must be covered.

The membership of this committee will be 17 people appointed by the President and 9 people appointed by the Comptroller of the US (who is appointed by the President). They will consist of: providers, employers, labor, health insurance issuers, experts in health care financing and delivery, experts in racial and ethnic disparities, experts in care for those with disabilities, representatives of relevant governmental agencies. and at least one practicing physician or other health professional and an expert on children’s health and shall represent a balance among various sectors of the health care system so that no single sector unduly influences the recommendations of such Committee. The membership of the Committee shall also include educated patients, consumer advocates, or both, who shall include persons who represent individuals affected by a specific disease or medical condition, are knowledgeable about the health care system, and have received training regarding health, medical, and scientific matters.

Do you see any of the above groups who will be pro-life? I don’t. Therefore, I would give it about a 99.9999999999% probability that abortion will be defined as an essential benefit.

(Sec 124) When this committee gives its recommendations, they present them to the Secretary of HHS who will either accept them as a package or will outline specific objections and send them back.

(Why is that important? Once abortion is approved by the initial batch appointed by Obama – and you’re fooling yourself if you think it won’t be – it will be almost impossible to have removed by a subsequent administration)

Let’s jump down now to Sec 201: the Health Insurance Exchange. In Sec 203, the Health Choices Commissioner determines if an employer’s plan meets the minimums defined in Sec 123/124. (i.e., if an employer’s plan doesn’t cover abortion, it will not be acceptable). If the employer’s plan does not meet the minimum standards, the employer will have to pay a 8% surtax (Sec 313) and his employees will go to the health benefits exchange (where their insurance costs will about double).

Here’s where the federal funding comes in (it’s real sneaky): In Section 243, Affordable Premium Credit. If you make less than 400% of the poverty rate (that’s $88,000 for a family of four), the government will pay part of your premium. So, instead of having to pay $14,000 per year for insurance, you may only need to pay $9,000. (Of course, if you had an employer-provided plan, you’d only be paying $4,000 or so a year). So if you are in a plan that offers abortion (and per the sections cited earlier, they all may well be required to do so), that “affordable premium credit” means that federal funds will go toward the abortions provided by that insurer. Read Section 243 really carefully.

So here’s the deal: having one insurance plan that doesn’t cover abortion means nothing. As long as there is one plan on that “health care exchange” that covers abortion, your tax dollars will pay for those abortions through the “affordable premium credit.”

OK?

(BTW, no Executive Order will change that, as EO’s can’t change the law. And the so-called Stupak compromise (i.e., the Hyde Amendment) wouldn’t change that. The only thing that would have changed it is if the legislation had included language stating that “no Exchange-participating insurer may cover abortion”. And that language was never proposed)
 
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