Can attraction be forced/willed?

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What do you think? I think it’s not something that you can force, but perhaps some think otherwise. I also think that while attraction isn’t the only important thing of course, it is important right? I mean, that’s what makes it different from all other relationships.
 
Personally,I don’t think you can will yourself to be attracted to someone but I think God could make you more attracted to them if you prayed for that.

I also think someone you may not initially been physically attracted to can become more attractive to you when you get to know their characteristics such as kind heart etc.
 
What do you think? I think it’s not something that you can force, but perhaps some think otherwise. I also think that while attraction isn’t the only important thing of course, it is important right? I mean, that’s what makes it different from all other relationships.
As someone who is acquainted with both Eastern and Western cultures, I think the answer is not a simple “yes” or “no”.

I could expound, but the following song probably says it better than I could:

youtube.com/watch?v=h_y9F5St4j0

(Don’t worry, it’s perfectly safe for work. :D)
 
What do you think? I think it’s not something that you can force, but perhaps some think otherwise. I also think that while attraction isn’t the only important thing of course, it is important right? I mean, that’s what makes it different from all other relationships.
I don’t think it’s something you can force in a new relationship, but it’s something that might develop over time.
 
Was it really necessary for you to ask this question? It’s too heated, I wouldn’t have asked it. It can only be explored.
 
What do you think? I think it’s not something that you can force, but perhaps some think otherwise. I also think that while attraction isn’t the only important thing of course, it is important right? I mean, that’s what makes it different from all other relationships.
I don’t want to sound legalistic, but ultimately what makes marriage different from all other relationships is the sacrament. Hence we Romantic Catholics (sigh :D) should perhaps reprogram ourselves from ‘found my soulmate and going from there’ mode to ‘got married and going from there’ mode, while realizing that a sacrament given from God can do and does so much more than a (so far) successful exercise at match-making, soul-searching etc. Hence you make the soulmate by choice, you don’t just find one. That puts some gravity on the choice and equips the actor with more agency, which I guess could be seen as romantic on some level (especially by celibate theologians :D).

Now, the difference between romantic relationships that aren’t (yet) marriage and friendships would be a different thing, and harder to nail down. On the other hand, it might be important to realize that a romantic relationship in its 21st century understanding is not actually necessary for marriage. There are people who opt to do without, so who’s gonna tell them? It’s their choice their life.

Next, attraction vs will. You can’t force yourself to become or stop being attracted to a specific person like an on/off switch, but where the mind is set, the brain will follow and ultimately the body. Choices shape habits and affect perceptions. Hence for example if you make a choice about what ‘type’ of man or woman you like based on some sort of aesthetic criteria as opposed to trying to gauge how your sex drive responds, your sex drive will probably adapt, or in any case your ‘chemistry’ will adapt.

This is similar to how some politicians and activists eventually end up believing in their own propaganda. :p:D
 
Perhaps this is a case of fake it until you make it 👍
 
Well, at the most extreme, there are sadly many marriages involving closeted gay people who DO try to force or will attraction to those of the opposite sex and succeed to some extent, without getting too graphic, enough that children are conceived. But is that really the kind of marriage most people would prefer?

Arranged marriage proponents usually claim that “learning to love one another” is the ideal, but there are certainly many cases of such marriages that involve adultery or even, depending on the culture, open polygamy or concubinage. In many such cultures, the “unfavored” wives receive very little conjugal action compared to the “favorite” wives, so at least the husbands get some opportunity to not just “fake it 'till you make it” but seek other partners if they don’t find the official wife attractive enough.

AFAIK Marie Antoinette’s marriage went unconsummated for years even though the king at the time wasn’t even into mistresses as much as most other French kings, and he knew that only the queen could bear a legitimate heir (as opposed to, say, imperial China or feudal Japan, where a concubine’s children were still considered legitimate with inheritance rights, and there are many cases of the children of different mothers competing to be the heir to the throne). And Marie Antoinette herself may have had a lover, though historians differ as to whether the affair was merely “of the heart” or if it was physically consummated (though technically it would be treason if she actually had).
 
I don’t believe that attraction can be “forced” - I do believe that it can develop over time.

It’s like when someone is friend-zoned then over time you realize that this is friend is your perfect match. It wasn’t an initial attraction but one that develops over time.

I feel that a developed attraction can be stronger than instant attraction.
 
Sure, why not. Even ridiculous things like the infamous ‘Stockholm syndrome’ is possible.
 
If you choose to let it happen, people tend to grow on you. For instance, you can cultivate affection for people by actively appreciating them and by choosing to look past or even have an affection for their rough spots. This is true not just for spouses, but for co-workers, family, and friends. You can work on liking those around you better than you do. Of course you can.

I would go so far as to say this: If you are contemplating marriage, you had better be ready to choose to love someone you aren’t automatically finding all that attractive on a particular day. You’d better have some capacity for fanning the flames when you aren’t “feeling it.” People do have this way of going both uphill and downhill, emotionally, and of course physically by the time you are old enough to marry it is the most logical to bet on downhill pretty much all the way. That goes for you, that goes for your spouse. Our bodies give out gradually, but they do give out, looks and all. If we don’t have the generosity of heart to do those things which help us to grow closer, we will by nature usually grow apart.

Besides, people have decided to be content with the person they married for thousands of years, since choosing to marry primarily for the personal satisfaction to be gained has been, to be very blunt, a luxury that few had in ages past. Let us face it: in times when travel was difficult, no one got to be as choosy as they are now. No one had as many options as we imagine we have now. They also knew that if they waited too long, they could easily lose the opportunity to marry at all.

When life was more difficult than it is now, those who were contented were those who chose to be contented with the spouse they got, the community they got, and the work they got to do. In that sense, yes, you can choose to be contented with anyone who is reasonably compatible with you.

Having said that, you have to ask yourself if you have a heart that is generous enough to appreciate someone who doesn’t deliver the fireworks that the world is likely to tell you that your spouse ought to deliver. Those messages aren’t going away. Do you really feel–rather than thinking you ought to feel!–that those messages are self-centered and false? Do you believe it is not only OK but rational to look yourself in the mirror every day, say to yourself, “You’re not the world’s gift to the opposite sex yourself” and choose to be happy even though you aren’t in a position that those on the outside will easily envy?

I’d say that if you don’t think someone has a good heart, don’t expect that to get better by your willing it to be so. In the end, it is hard to feel affection for someone with a cold heart. The following is one of my favorite passages from Shakespeare, though, so be warned about that when you weigh what I’ve had to say on the subject! If someone is good-hearted and generous themselves and you are good-hearted and generous, though, an initial lack of “fireworks” is not automatically an impediment to a very happy marriage.

*If thou canst love a fellow of this temper, Kate, whose face is not worth sunburning, that never looks in his glass for love of anything he sees there, let thine eye be thy cook. I speak to thee plain soldier. If thou canst love me for this, take me. If not, to say to thee that I shall die is true, but for thy love, by the Lord, no. Yet I love thee too. And while thou liv’st, dear Kate, take a fellow of plain and uncoined constancy, for he perforce must do thee right because he hath not the gift to woo in other places. For these fellows of infinite tongue, that can rhyme themselves into ladies’ favors, they do always reason themselves out again. What? A speaker is but a prater, a rhyme is but a ballad, a good leg will fall, a straight back will stoop, a black beard will turn white, a curled pate will grow bald, a fair face will wither, a full eye will wax hollow, but a good heart, Kate, is the sun and the moon, or rather the sun and not the moon, for it shines bright and never changes but keeps his course truly. If thou would have such a one, take me. *
Henry V, Act V, Scene 2
 
I don’t believe that attraction can be “forced” - I do believe that it can develop over time.
Sure it CAN develop over time but I’d caution anyone against assuming it definitely will.

This assumption, BTW, is one issue with extremely strict courtship rules that actually find, as an ideal, that a courting couple not experience any sexual temptation at all, but “dispassionately discern” if they are a good match first. Then, it is assumed that the couple can get emotionally closer to each other during engagement, but still not actually have any sexual feelings toward each other until the wedding night.

Of course this can set couples up for awkwardness at the best, severe disappointment or even inability to consummate at the worst – I recall a CAF poster in the past testifying to this, that she was taught for so long that sex was dirty and a sin and that she should suppress any attraction, that she wound up having vaginismus and unable to consummate her marriage.

It seems very few people actually “court” this strictly these days, but I have read courtship literature that reminds me of actual arranged marriages with the idea that true intimacy (both emotional and physical) is meant to be reserved for AFTER marriage.

To be clear, I am NOT endorsing “try before you buy” here, but I think the “attraction is irrelevant as long as you marry a good Christian” is an over-reaction. Also, I think most people DO want their mate to be attracted to them and not just doing their marital duty while “lying back and thinking of England”.
Sure, why not. Even ridiculous things like the infamous ‘Stockholm syndrome’ is possible.
But AFAIK the actual “Stockholm Syndrome” was not consciously willed. Though it may have happened in other instances, that captives start out deliberately acting a certain role to appease their captors and eventually wound up actually believing what they were pretending to at first.
 
I’m very fond of this duet, too, from Fiddler on the Roof:

(Tevye) Golde, I have decided to give Perchik permission to become engaged to our daughter, Hodel.

(Golde) What??? He’s poor! He has nothing, absolutely nothing!

(Tevye) He’s a good man, Golde.
I like him. And what’s more important, Hodel likes him. Hodel loves him.
So what can we do?
It’s a new world… A new world…Love…

Golde…Do you love me?

(Golde)
Do I what?!?

(Tevye)
Do you love me?

(Golde)
Do I love you?

With our daughters getting married
And this trouble in the town
You’re upset, you’re worn out
Go inside, go lie down!
Maybe it’s indigestion…

(Tevye)
Golde I’m asking you a question…

Do you love me?

(Golde)
You’re a fool

(Tevye)
I know…

But do you love me?

(Golde)
Do I love you?

For twenty-five years I’ve washed your clothes
Cooked your meals, cleaned your house
Given you children, milked the cow
After twenty-five years, why talk about love right now?

(Tevye) Golde, The first time I met you
Was on our wedding day
I was scared

(Golde)
I was shy

(Tevye)
I was nervous

(Golde)
So was I

(Tevye)
But my father and my mother
Said we’d learn to love each other
And now I’m asking, Golde
Do you love me?

(Golde)
I’m your wife

(Tevye)
I know…
But do you love me?

(Golde)
Do I love him?
For twenty-five years I’ve lived with him
Fought him, starved with him
Twenty-five years my bed is his
If that’s not love, what is?

(Tevye)
Then you love me?

(Golde)
I suppose I do

(Tevye)
And I suppose I love you too

(Both)
It doesn’t change a thing
But even so
After twenty-five years
It’s nice to know
 
Sure it CAN develop over time but I’d caution anyone against assuming it definitely will.
I wouldn’t marry someone for whom you have not developed an affection that will serve as an aid to the virtue of charity. Marriage is difficult, and most of us do not have enough virtue to persevere as we ought to do without the help of both grace and the support of affection that comes from the natural plane.

Many couples have one spouse who says, “When I first met him/her, I thought, ‘meh.’” Some even actively disliked each other when they first met. As you get to know the person better, though, you need enough affection to supplement your charity. I’d go for the structural analysis that believes on the wedding day that the relationship is over-engineered to last. The forces that test a marriage are heavier than they seem before you start. If you think your chances of making it work aren’t great, they probably aren’t even very good.
 
It can grow over time and yes ones will can be involved.

St.Thomas More was more interested in the younger girl…but intentionally choose to frame his interests towards the older girl (whom he then married) since she was the older and not married (those were different times of course).
 
Read “The Jewelers Shop” - the Play - not the movie. By St.Pope John Paul II
 
Besides, people have decided to be content with the person they married for thousands of years, since choosing to marry primarily for the personal satisfaction to be gained has been, to be very blunt, a luxury that few had in ages past. Let us face it: in times when travel was difficult, no one got to be as choosy as they are now. No one had as many options as we imagine we have now. They also knew that if they waited too long, they could easily lose the opportunity to marry at all.

When life was more difficult than it is now, those who were contented were those who chose to be contented with the spouse they got, the community they got, and the work they got to do. In that sense, yes, you can choose to be contented with anyone who is reasonably compatible with you.
I agree with this but it seems you still admit that there is some minimum level of compatibility required in order for someone to be “content”, even back then.

I’d also note that in real life, many married people did NOT choose to be content with a spouse of an arranged marriage, but simply neglected their spouses and contented themselves with extramarital lovers instead. And in the case of royalty and such, adultery was essentially Standard Operating Procedure, even the Church turned a blind eye to it.

ETA: Although when it came to that level of society, marriage was seen as a “matter of state” more than a personal matter, I assume people of lower classes had somewhat more freedom to choose a mate they had some compatibility with, although I agree there were still practical limits of “who happens to be in the same village, or at least close enough geographically to be a practical marriage candidate”.
 
Read the Jewelers shop.

One character in the work by St. John Paul says:

"Or love can be a collision
in which two selves realize profoundly
they ought to belong to each other, even though they
have no convenient moods and sensations."


ignatius.com/Products/JSH-H/the-jewelers-shop.aspx

Get the book and read it slowly and thoughtfully and prayerfully…and over and over…

I call it a magna carta of marriage…a must read.
 
I suppose some of my comments may come across as excessively negative toward this idea and maybe I’m just looking at this through 21st century glasses. I also realized that I may not have considered the grace to endure that people may gain from prayer.

However, I personally would not rather marry at all then have to marry someone I need to “endure”; I understand marriage has ups and downs, storms and sunshine, etc. but if I know walking into it that it will be stormy 80-90% of the time, I don’t see the point. While I don’t call myself a feminist I AM quite happy that I am able to support myself without a husband, and don’t need to force myself to be attracted to someone just to leave the nest.
 
I agree with this but it seems you still admit that there is some minimum level of compatibility required in order for someone to be “content”, even back then.

I’d also note that in real life, many married people did NOT choose to be content with a spouse of an arranged marriage, but simply neglected their spouses and contented themselves with extramarital lovers instead. And in the case of royalty and such, adultery was essentially Standard Operating Procedure, even the Church turned a blind eye to it.

ETA: Although when it came to that level of society, marriage was seen as a “matter of state” more than a personal matter, I assume people of lower classes had somewhat more freedom to choose a mate they had some compatibility with, although I agree there were still practical limits of “who happens to be in the same village, or at least close enough geographically to be a practical marriage candidate”.
When you say many married people didn’t choose to be faithful, I trust you mean the men. There was hardly a fate worse than for a woman to have been caught in adultery, particularly a noble woman upon whose fidelity the surety of a royal lineage depended. They were very closely watched and lived under societal rules meant to guarantee that their offspring were all legally legitimate. As for the peasant women, they certainly hoped that no man lacking morals and belonging to a caste higher than theirs took a fancy to their looks. The “look don’t touch” rules that protected upper class women did not protect them. It was up to them to keep themselves under close watch, lest they become the victims of criminals in no fear of facing justice.

Women also did not often have the luxury of choosing a husband they liked personally, since it was so much more important to choose a husband who wouldn’t let them or their children starve. It is funny how your priorities and what makes you content depends on how much worse things could be if your life were worse than it is. A poor woman’s wish list would not include “he makes me laugh” but would include “he is a good provider,” “he stays sober” and “he doesn’t beat me.”

That is neither here nor there. I only mean to say that the pendulum has swung to an extreme in the other direction, to the point that too many people marry based entirely on mutual enjoyment and the ability to amuse each other on dates without any thought about more practical areas of compatibility such as shared faith or even shared views on how to earn, spend, and save money. If you like the person who is mature enough to be faithful to the duties of marriage, that is probably a better choice than the the person you’re wildly attracted to who is unfortunately, as C.S. Lewis put it in *The Screwtape Letters *, a heathen, a fool, or a wanton:

*Now comes the joke. The Enemy described a married couple as “one flesh”. He did not lay “a happily married couple” or “a couple who married because they were in love”, but you can make the humans ignore that. You can also make them forget that the man they call Paul did not confine it to married couples. Mere copulation, for him, makes “one flesh”. You can thus get the humans to accept as rhetorical eulogies of “being in love” what were in fact plain descriptions of the real significance of sexual intercourse. The truth is that wherever a man lies with a woman, there, whether they like it or not, a transcendental relation is set up between them which must be eternally enjoyed or eternally endured. From the true statement that this transcendental relation was intended to produce, and, if obediently entered into, too often will produce, affection and the family, humans can be made to infer the false belief that the blend of affection, fear, and desire which they call “being in love” is the only thing that makes marriage either happy or holy. The error is easy to produce because “being in love” does very often, in Western Europe, precede marriages which are made in obedience to the Enemy’s designs, that is, with the intention of fidelity, fertility and good will; just as religious emotion very often, but not always, attends conversion. **In other words, the humans are to be encouraged to regard as the basis for marriage a highly-coloured and distorted version of something the Enemy really promises as its result. **Two advantages follow. In the first place, humans who have not the gift of continence can be deterred from seeking marriage as a solution because they do not find themselves “in love”, and, thanks to us, the idea of marrying with any other motive seems to them low and cynical. Yes, they think that. They regard the intention of loyalty to a partnership for mutual help, for the preservation of chastity, and for the transmission of life, as something lower than a storm of emotion. (Don’t neglect to make your man think the marriage-service very offensive.) In the second place any sexual infatuation whatever, so long as it intends marriage, will be regarded as “love”, and “love” will be held to excuse a man from all the guilt, and to protect him from all the consequences, if marrying a heathen, a fool, or a wanton. *

Letter 18, The Screwtape Letters
 
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