Can bishops permit liturgical dance

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This is what Cardinal Arinze the former Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine on Faith said on Liturgical dance during a public Q & A.
Watch full answer below (7min video)

youtube.com/watch?v=9rJFdmmqj_s
I am glad you posted this. What he says does not override the bishops canonical role (the original question), but he is very insightful. The whole Q and A session he gave was available somewhere on YouTube. It is quite enjoyable.
 
The dancing I saw this weekend wasn’t bad or over-the-top, in my humble opinion. The dancers were dressed appropriately and weren’t taking over the Mass, and I noticed that there actions did not interrupt the movement of the Mass. I would think that if dancing were to be incorporated into a Mass at all, this might be how it n ought to be done. I was just wondering whether it was licit.

I am beginning to think I should just lighten up and let the people in charge worry about that.
 
Exactly. I was at a Celtic Mass on Friday that was being said by a visiting Irish bishop, who was being assisted by several other bishops.
They have dancers every year and in multiple liturgies. And the Religious Education Congress is a big event, so if it wasn’t allowed it would have been corrected by now. They’re good dancers, but I’ve never gotten used to them being in the Mass.
 
And the Religious Education Congress is a big event, so if it wasn’t allowed it would have been corrected by now.
You are more optimistic than I am. Last year they had a morning prayer service where someone read from the Quran. This is a Catholic event – why are we celebrating heresy?

Then there are some of the speakers …

There are plenty of great speakers at the event as well, but I get the feeling the people who oversee this do a lot of looking the other way.
 
You are more optimistic than I am. Last year they had a morning prayer service where someone read from the Quran. This is a Catholic event – why are we celebrating heresy?

Then there are some of the speakers …

There are plenty of great speakers at the event as well, but I get the feeling the people who oversee this do a lot of looking the other way.
I will say this about the speakers, since I am familiar with the process. The speakers (not all are Catholic, btw) are vetted according to the recommendations from the [Arch]diocese where they reside. Many of them usually have a book or music album to promote.
 
The short answer to your question is that, yes, it is admissible under the criteria that were present for this event.
So, a bishop can allow permit liturgical dance under certain circumstances?

Perhaps a better question is, should they?
 
So, a bishop can allow permit liturgical dance under certain circumstances?

Perhaps a better question is, should they?
For this thread, I was really more interested in, can they? “Should they” is a highly subjective question that, in my opinion, is the bishop’s to decide if he truly has the authority to do so. If it’s the bishop’s call, I can respect him doing his job.

I see the “should” as a gray area. I love the art of dance and believe that implemented in a way that points the congregation upward toward heaven rather than toward the dancers, it might have a place. Having the dancers lead the way for the priests during the entrance actually struck me as a nice touch – sort of like angels announcing the coming of the person of Christ that priest represents. When their job was done, they sat down.

At the same time, I have seen Masses where the dancing became a performance in itself and the sanctuary became a stage – instead of reminding people that we are in a holy place where holy things were happening, the dancing was just entertainment.

So, again, I can see it as a gray area, and would be inclined to step back and let whoever has the authority to make the call do so.
 
For this thread, I was really more interested in, can they? “Should they” is a highly subjective question that, in my opinion, is the bishop’s to decide if he truly has the authority to do so. If it’s the bishop’s call, I can respect him doing his job.

I see the “should” as a gray area. I love the art of dance and believe that implemented in a way that points the congregation upward toward heaven rather than toward the dancers, it might have a place. Having the dancers lead the way for the priests during the entrance actually struck me as a nice touch – sort of like angels announcing the coming of the person of Christ that priest represents. When their job was done, they sat down.

At the same time, I have seen Masses where the dancing became a performance in itself and the sanctuary became a stage – instead of reminding people that we are in a holy place where holy things were happening, the dancing was just entertainment.

So, again, I can see it as a gray area, and would be inclined to step back and let whoever has the authority to make the call do so.
I know. I was kind of joking.
 
I was at a diocesan event today at which a Mass was held with multiple bishop in attendance. The diocesan bishop himself wasn’t at this particular Mass, but he certainly knew about it. I was a little surprised to see liturgical dancing taking place during the Mass. They danced during the procession and as the gifts were being brought up.

I was under the impression this wasn’t permitted, but I am wondering if it is something the local bishop has the authority to allow? I’m not necessarily against it in itself – I think dancing can be a beautiful form of spiritual expression. I also feel that if there are rules about what is supposed to happen at Mass, those rules should be respected, But, is something a local bishop can decide to permit in his diocese, in general or for special occasions?
No.

This is not something that the local bishop can approve.

The bishop’s role is to safeguard the integrity of the Church’s sacred liturgy.

See Vatican II Sacrosanctum Concilium.)
22. 1. Regulation of the sacred liturgy depends solely on the authority of the Church, that is, on the Apostolic See and, as laws may determine, on the bishop.

That says “as laws may determine” meaning that the bishop must be given this authority by the Church, and unless and until that happens, he cannot make changes to the Liturgy on his own.

Over the decades, the Church has made very clear that dance within the Liturgy is not permitted and is not consistent with the Roman Rite. Under certain circumstances, the Holy See will consider and then grant a dispensation to the bishop to allow some dance. This has happened a few times, and is well-documented. An obvious example that comes to mind is Hawaii. The bishop there, (+ F.X. DiL.) received a dispensation from the Holy See to allow some native dance (within limits, of course). The point is that a bishop cannot do this on his own authority. In other words, it is beyond the competence of the local bishop to approve dancing within the liturgy. If he should see a need for it, he must request a dispensation (again, see the Hawaii example). Without such a dispensation, he is not competent to approve it.

Whether or not the Holy See granted a dispensation for the example you cited is an unknown (at this point, and to the people reading here), however we do know that such a thing is extremely rare and very unlikely.

Here is a link to a secular newspaper article about Hawaii
articles.latimes.com/1998/dec/25/news/mn-57588

Here is a link to a document from the Diocese clarifying a few points:
catholichawaii.org/media/593837/19990103-norms-sacred-gesture-in-the-liturgy.pdf
 
I was at a diocesan event today at which a Mass was held with multiple bishop in attendance. The diocesan bishop himself wasn’t at this particular Mass, but he certainly knew about it. I was a little surprised to see liturgical dancing taking place during the Mass. They danced during the procession and as the gifts were being brought up.

I was under the impression this wasn’t permitted, but I am wondering if it is something the local bishop has the authority to allow? I’m not necessarily against it in itself – I think dancing can be a beautiful form of spiritual expression. I also feel that if there are rules about what is supposed to happen at Mass, those rules should be respected, But, is something a local bishop can decide to permit in his diocese, in general or for special occasions?
I think there is a need now, unfortunately, to return to this question and to make the issue more transparent in order to add clarity.

As I wrote before: The short answer to your question is that, yes, it is admissible under the criteria that were present for this event.

The long answer is that the event about which you are inquiring occurred under the auspices of His Excellency, Archbishop Jose Gomez, Vice President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, and in the presence of His Excellency, Archbishop Christophe Pierre, Nuncio to the United States…among many other prelates worthy of mention.

These are liturgies meticulously planned, not least because of the ecclesiastical dignitaries who are present and participating. Elements do not happen by chance at events of this level, which includes officials from the Holy See. Thus, there should be no question as to the propriety of the inclusion of these elements. The various bishops who were present included, for example, one of the archbishops of Vietnam.

This is key because the criteria to be applied is the significant presence and involvement in the liturgy of the indigenous people, including Asia, for whom dance is part of their culture such that it can rightly and properly be incorporated into the liturgical action itself. The peoples of Africa, Asia, and the South Pacific are indeed profoundly a part of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and their inclusion for an international assembly hosted by the Archdiocese is of significant import for the Particular Church.

This presence of these peoples is then the determining factor as to whether or not the elements from their respective cultures, involving dance and other sacred gesture, are to be included.

The same criteria applies no less in my diocese. The judgment may be arrived at, for example, on the liturgical celebration being one that is focused on that community – such as a chaplaincy for an expatriated African community. Or conversely, for a diocesan event in which there is a significant presence of such a community in the midst of the larger liturgical assembly and their participation is included in, for example, a Gospel or offertory procession, thus making manifest the presence of elements of the Church Universal beyond what is indigenous to the area of the diocese’s geography, with the bishop presiding over this gathering of the Particular Church for which he is the shepherd…as well as moderator of the liturgy.

I include one of the more beautiful examples of this that comes from the visit of the Holy Father to Australia in 2008, where a community from Melanesia were involved with the Gospel procession in a way that was singularly inspiring to all who experienced it.

youtube.com/watch?v=YMgUaeejl2Q

The integration of the two distinctive elements, Melanesian and Roman, was quite splendidly effected by Monsignor Marini and is a textbook example for the application of the below referenced passages.

As the Holy See said in its instruction on Inculturation and the Roman Liturgy:
42. Among some peoples, singing is instinctively accompanied by hand-clapping, rhythmic swaying and dance movements on the part of the participants. Such forms of external expression can have a place in the liturgical actions of these peoples on condition that they are always the expression of true communal prayer of adoration, praise, offering and supplication, and not simply a performance.
That is, again, the criteria that would be properly applied by the diocesan office of liturgy/office of worship and by the bishop where these peoples constitute a part of the Particular Church.

It fulfills what the Council Fathers foresaw when they wrote in Sacrosanctum Concilium:
40. In some places and circumstances, however, an even more radical adaptation of the liturgy is needed…
I had the distinct privilege of being in Los Angeles in past years and far from in any way questioning the propriety of the action of the Archbishop or the diocesan offices – which frankly I would find highly presumptuous for any priest who is of the United States to do – I offer them compliments, as a retired professor who taught liturgy and sacraments and one who remains an active liturgical Master of Ceremonies.

Finally, I remember quite vividly and quite fondly the intervention of Bishop Di Lorenzo; it was after the opening of the Synod on the Church in Africa, which was profoundly marked by inculturated liturgies, I hasten to add, and as I remember it was just ahead of the Synod on the Church in Oceania, in which liturgical dance was also markedly present. The result has been quite splendid for the Church in Hawaii.
 
Adaptations to the Church’s Liturgy must be approved by the Holy See.

All too often, this is the part of the conversation that gets ignored.

Here are 2 paragraphs from the Vatican’s Instruction on Inculturation
  1. The process of inculturation should maintain the substantial unity of the Roman rite.[75] This unity is currently expressed in the typical editions of liturgical books, published by authority of the supreme pontiff and in the liturgical books approved by the episcopal conferences for their areas and confirmed by the Apostolic See.[76] The work of inculturation does not foresee the creation of new families of rites; inculturation responds to the needs of a particular culture and leads to adaptations which still remain part of the Roman rite.[77]
  2. Adaptations of the Roman rite, even in the field of inculturation, depend completely on the authority of the church. This authority belongs to the Apostolic See, which exercises it through the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments;[78] it also belongs, within the limits fixed by law, to episcopal conferences[79] and to the diocesan bishop.[80] “No other person, not even if he is a priest, may on his own initiative add, remove or change anything in the liturgy.”[81] Inculturation is not left to the personal initiative of celebrants or to the collective initiative of an assembly.[82]
    Source: ewtn.com/library/curia/cdwinclt.htm
I’ve bolded the words that often get ignored or dismissed.

So, we cannot talk simply about “adaptations” outside of the proper context: they must be approved by the Holy See. The document goes on (in the next few paragraphs) to give examples of adaptations which might be approved by the Holy See. What it does not do is grant approval for such adaptations. The following paragraphs (for example, 40 and 42) merely articulate the requests that the Holy See is willing to consider—nothing more.

It’s quite easy to take certain sentence clauses out of context to create the appearance that the Holy See allows this or that adaptation. It’s easy to do when one removes the parts about “with the approval of the Supreme Authority of the Church.”

In short, there are no legitimate and licit adaptations unless they’ve been approved (or pre-approved) by the Holy See.

As I posted earlier, the local bishop is not competent to approve such adaptation on his own.
 
I think there is a need now, unfortunately, to return to this question and to make the issue more transparent in order to add clarity.

As I wrote before: The short answer to your question is that, yes, it is admissible under the criteria that were present for this event.

The long answer is that the event about which you are inquiring occurred under the auspices of His Excellency, Archbishop Jose Gomez, Vice President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, and in the presence of His Excellency, Archbishop Christophe Pierre, Nuncio to the United States…among many other prelates worthy of mention.

These are liturgies meticulously planned, not least because of the ecclesiastical dignitaries who are present and participating. Elements do not happen by chance at events of this level, which includes officials from the Holy See. Thus, there should be no question as to the propriety of the inclusion of these elements. The various bishops who were present included, for example, one of the archbishops of Vietnam.

This is key because the criteria to be applied is the significant presence and involvement in the liturgy of the indigenous people, including Asia, for whom dance is part of their culture such that it can rightly and properly be incorporated into the liturgical action itself. The peoples of Africa, Asia, and the South Pacific are indeed profoundly a part of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and their inclusion for an international assembly hosted by the Archdiocese is of significant import for the Particular Church.

This presence of these peoples is then the determining factor as to whether or not the elements from their respective cultures, involving dance and other sacred gesture, are to be included.

The same criteria applies no less in my diocese. The judgment may be arrived at, for example, on the liturgical celebration being one that is focused on that community – such as a chaplaincy for an expatriated African community. Or conversely, for a diocesan event in which there is a significant presence of such a community in the midst of the larger liturgical assembly and their participation is included in, for example, a Gospel or offertory procession, thus making manifest the presence of elements of the Church Universal beyond what is indigenous to the area of the diocese’s geography, with the bishop presiding over this gathering of the Particular Church for which he is the shepherd…as well as moderator of the liturgy.

I include one of the more beautiful examples of this that comes from the visit of the Holy Father to Australia in 2008, where a community from Melanesia were involved with the Gospel procession in a way that was singularly inspiring to all who experienced it.

youtube.com/watch?v=YMgUaeejl2Q

The integration of the two distinctive elements, Melanesian and Roman, was quite splendidly effected by Monsignor Marini and is a textbook example for the application of the below referenced passages.

As the Holy See said in its instruction on Inculturation and the Roman Liturgy:
42. Among some peoples, singing is instinctively accompanied by hand-clapping, rhythmic swaying and dance movements on the part of the participants. Such forms of external expression can have a place in the liturgical actions of these peoples on condition that they are always the expression of true communal prayer of adoration, praise, offering and supplication, and not simply a performance.
That is, again, the criteria that would be properly applied by the diocesan office of liturgy/office of worship and by the bishop where these peoples constitute a part of the Particular Church.

It fulfills what the Council Fathers foresaw when they wrote in Sacrosanctum Concilium:
40. In some places and circumstances, however, an even more radical adaptation of the liturgy is needed…
I had the distinct privilege of being in Los Angeles in past years and far from in any way questioning the propriety of the action of the Archbishop or the diocesan offices – which frankly I would find highly presumptuous for any priest who is of the United States to do – I offer them compliments, as a retired professor who taught liturgy and sacraments and one who remains an active liturgical Master of Ceremonies.

Finally, I remember quite vividly and quite fondly the intervention of Bishop Di Lorenzo; it was after the opening of the Synod on the Church in Africa, which was profoundly marked by inculturated liturgies, I hasten to add, and as I remember it was just ahead of the Synod on the Church in Oceania, in which liturgical dance was also markedly present. The result has been quite splendid for the Church in Hawaii.
The Diocese of Kamloops in interior BC is predominantly comprised of Anglo-whites and First Nations faithful. The new bishop, however, is Vietnamese-Canadian. Elements of Vietnamese inculturation were tastefully incorporated into his episcopal ordination Mass in his honour. I seem to recall there was even a little dancing, though outside of the sanctuary.
 
The Diocese of Kamloops in interior BC is predominantly comprised of Anglo-whites and First Nations faithful. The new bishop, however, is Vietnamese-Canadian. Elements of Vietnamese inculturation were tastefully incorporated into his episcopal ordination Mass in his honour. I seem to recall there was even a little dancing, though outside of the sanctuary.
How wonderful. I am sure the ordination was greatly enriched by these cultural elements.

We are fortunate to live in a time of liturgical renewal which sees these so widely used. This initiative has been an immense blessing for the Church.

I have less experience with those from Asia than those from Africa…but how the latter’s inculturations to the liturgy have enriched Masses I have celebrated for the immigrant communities from Africa; it has been a great blessing for my own priestly ministry. Just as it has enriched – and greatly affected – those who are non-African who have been present for these liturgies.
 
It’s certainly an irreverent thought and a non sequitur, but I have often wondered how a liturgical haka might look. 😃
 
It’s certainly an irreverent thought and a non sequitur, but I have often wondered how a liturgical haka might look. 😃
That would be a wonderful addition to any liturgy, if ever New Zealand is graced with a Papal visit! Suitably adapted, of course.
 
Christian liturgy must be formed within the context of Christian tradition. That procession leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Even if it wasn’t foreign to Catholic praxis, it’s just so corny and embarassing. No straight Anglo-Saxon male could be comfortable in that room.
Why Anglo-Saxon?
 
Why Anglo-Saxon?
I was using the word in the loose archaic sense of generic Anglo (English speaking) white North American culture. …not the literal historical, ethnic definition. Many Canadians and Americans used this term in the past. It would have been better to simply have said “Anglos”. Franco-Canadians or Latino-Americans have, perhaps, more flamboyant cultural expressions and do not factor into my comments.
 
They have dancers every year and in multiple liturgies. And the Religious Education Congress is a big event, so if it wasn’t allowed it would have been corrected by now. They’re good dancers, but I’ve never gotten used to them being in the Mass.
youtube.com/watch?v=eKow3lqE5kk

Pictured here at 1:19:10

Not really
Not good dancers IMO
I can’t get comfortable with dancers either.

So now you got to be a dancer to bring up the gifts? How much is the income for that?
Just wondering. Do these dancers get paid? If not, how long will it be before liturgical dancers are on the payroll? Just wondering.

Answer to the OP question…evidently yes.
 
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