Can Catholics attend same-sex marriage ceremonies?

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Loud-living-dogma said:
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This says that 115,000 couples have children, but as I said, that doesn’t mean that all or even most of those children are adopted. A lot of them are probably biological children of one or both of the two men or two women. Or perhaps, one of the two will adopt their partner’s biological children. But either way, the children would still be in a household with same-sex parents regardless of whether the parents are legally married or not.
 
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Augustinian said:
Even 20 years ago, it was considered a joke
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In 1996 DOMA was signed into federal law by President Clinton.

Gay Marriage was very much the sphere of public debate in 2000 as it was a plot line on The West Wing episode “The Portland Trip” which first aired that year.
 
“accepted”? How is that going to work? I mean if same-sex couples are going to raise kids without knowing what the Church teaches is one thing.
 
DOMA was made into law, they don’t make laws against jokes as far as I know.
 
Sadly, the media introduces and reinforces all kinds of things to many many people.
 
Hit the wrong button and I do not know how to undo it. Forgive my error.
 
Eh, it doesn’t address what to do when your son is getting married.

Sorry, but I’m not going to follow that rule.
 
In terms of state recognition that would be preferable. If gay unions are to be law of the land then all forms of these unions should exist, or none at all… poly, gay…etc…

Church should always keep traditional marriage as is.
 
Some times it seems like people think they can “out-mercy” God.
This all-powerful God who loved us so much that He came and suffered and died for us, and who humbles Himself at each Mass presenting Himself to us in the mere form of bread and wine - we think WE know what real mercy, kindness, and love is, while His church is too harsh, too unforgiving.
He loves us all infinitely, and He longs for us to unify ourselves with Him - and He shows us the way and gives us the means through the Church He left us. Instead of thinking, “this is too harsh, I will do what I myself think is the loving thing” I think we really need to challenge ourselves to better understand the teachings of Christ - and how they are oriented to our ultimate well-being and happiness. Sexual sins are a serious offense to God. Why? Read and pray about this. JP’s Theology of the Body is a good place to start to understand God’s plan for human sexuality and our bodies. Coming to a true deep understanding of His will for us, who He wants us to be as sons and daughters of God, can help give some clarity when we face choices like that in this thread. It may cause us great pain at times knowing we are bringing pain to someone we love by the stance we are taking. But when a circumstance warrants this, offer up that pain for the other person, and accept the challenge to show them sincere love and care whenever you can, as Christ did for us. But I think we also need to be resolute and clear with our reasoning and actions - God takes these things seriously so so should we. We must. If we don’t take the tough stands and demonstrate that the teachings of Christ actually matter in this world we live in, then who will?
 
Marriage requires sexual complementarity. Same sex unions can never have sexual complementarity. The biology is wrong. Same sex unions can never be marital, can never be conjugal, can never be marriage. It is as impossible as a square circle.

Passing laws can not change biology or anatomy or conjugality. Laws can not make same sex unions marital.

From the Vatican document on same sex unions:
  1. The Church teaches that respect for homosexual persons cannot lead in any way to approval of homosexual behaviour or to legal recognition of homosexual unions. The common good requires that laws recognize, promote and protect marriage as the basis of the family, the primary unit of society. Legal recognition of homosexual unions or placing them on the same level as marriage would mean not only the approval of deviant behaviour, with the consequence of making it a model in present-day society, but would also obscure basic values which belong to the common inheritance of humanity. The Church cannot fail to defend these values, for the good of men and women and for the good of society.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html
 
gcshapero said:
These are very odd defenses
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The issue with YOUR issue is that it is not clear if attending a same sex wedding is a sin.

a. the act of homosexuality is a sin; celebrating life events with sinners? Not so clear.
b. Jesus modeled a life LIVED with sinners. Not dropping in on them, not putting them in the ghetto where He visited every so often. He lived and laughed and loved with these sinners. He evangelized to these sinners. He LOVED these sinners.
c. We have respected leaders of our Church who understand the gravity of both the sin and the relationship damage that occurs from selective shunning and have addressed it in various ways.
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Just so I understand, when you say know of sin and don’t reject it, what does this mean specifically?
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My experience has been that people will take a very firm and hard stand on a sin they find particularly egregious, or which doesn’t affect them personally, and then tells everyone else how wrong they are for participating in that sin. Meanwhile, there are areas of their lives (as everyone’s) where they are letting sin slide, or NOT taking that firm, loud, hard stand. IF we are being dogmatic and unyielding, this is hypocrisy. To be clear, we all do this,. I’m saying let’s acknowledge that we do sinful things when we accuse others of doing sinful things. Not sure why that equates to “everybody sins so let’s just do it anyway” as you seem to be saying.

Gay marriage is an issue which is under intense discussion within the laity and the leadership of the Church right now. It is NOT a clear cut issue and discernment is necessary. When Popes are saying “Who am I to judge” and priests are advocating going to receptions but not ceremonies, then it is not a matter of black and white, but rather a matter of discernment.

Finally, my issue isn’t so much with choosing not to attend a SS ceremony or what part of the ceremony you choose to attend or not attend. It is with the issue of shaming those who are genuinely struggling to best love their loved ones. This includes telling people “You are delusional”, “You are going to Hell”, etc. I don’t believe this attitude honors Christ and I don’t believe it helps those who are sinning and I don’t believe it helps those who are trying to discern a difficult issue.

Please refer to my above post for examples of the difference between shaming vs expressing in love your views of SSM.
 
No I say if you want to go you should without judgement from others, I personally think practising Christian gay people should be celibate but if they are not Christians what is there to stop them getting married and as long as they are not harming others.
 
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