Can Catholics be pro choice?

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We were at my in-laws for Thanksgiving and conversation started up about the upcoming election. Much to surprise my in-laws are staunch Democrats. They both are going to vote for someone who is “Pro Choice”. I ask them as a Catholics how can they vote for someone who is pro choice? He told me that you have to separate politics from religion. This totally blew me away. My question is, should Catholics vote for someone who is pro choice?
 
My opinion on this is a resounding no! The Catholic Church’s stance on abortion is and always has been that any form of abortion is wrong. To support a pro-choice candidate is to give affrimation to that stance and a Catholic should not do that.

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If one were to vote for a candidate because he the voter was in favor of pro-choice it would be wrong. If despite the pro-choice stance the pro-choice candidate is otherwise more reliable and strongly supports other positive issues one must weigh the relative good/harm of voting for that candidate.

It is looking like a moot issue in the upcoming election in Nov 2008 as the likely candidates for the major parties are all pro-choice. One can either cast ones vote for a non-winner who is anti pro-choice or pick the best of the two major party candidates.

There are of course many who will disagree with that position.

The other issue is that the democrats used to be the pro-labor champions of the wage earners and down trodden, but today are little better than the opposite face of the same political coin.
 
Hi All
We were at my in-laws for Thanksgiving and conversation started up about the upcoming election. Much to surprise my in-laws are staunch Democrats. They both are going to vote for someone who is “Pro Choice”. I ask them as a Catholics how can they vote for someone who is pro choice? He told me that you have to separate politics from religion. This totally blew me away. My question is, should Catholics vote for someone who is pro choice?
According to Church teaching. No. A Catholic cannot be pro-choice. For 2,000 yrs the Church has always condemned abortion and its even written in the Didache (Teaching of the Twelve Apostle 40-50 AD).

Your in laws are out of touch with the teaching of the Catholic Church. You can point out to the Catechism of the Catechism, and Papal Encyclicals which condemned it. If a Catholic believes there is nothing morally wrong with voting for a pro-choice candidate, he finds himself at odds with the Church.

I do held Catholics more accountible than I do Protestants since Protestants are not bound on Magisterial Teachings. Catholics on the other hand are. They claim to be Catholic but they aren’t. They are only Catholic by name, what makes a Catholic a Catholic is someone who adhere and is completely obedient to all the teachings of the Church.

I also like to add that I find the top candidates for the 2008 Presidential Election unworthy for my taste. So there is no way I am going to vote this coming elections. I cannot see myself voting a Democrat or Republican candidate who are apparently pro-choice. Not to mention, these individuals favor same sex union.
 
Can a Catholic be pro-choice?

the same question, just stated differently:

Can a Christian Catholic kill without a just cause?

No.
 
I also like to add that I find the top candidates for the 2008 Presidential Election unworthy for my taste. So there is no way I am going to vote this coming elections. I cannot see myself voting a Democrat or Republican candidate who are apparently pro-choice. Not to mention, these individuals favor same sex union.
Work hard in the ongoing primary for a good candidate.
I ask them as a Catholics how can they vote for someone who is pro choice? He told me that you have to separate politics from religion.
Why would it be wise to set aside your moral foundation when choosing a leader?

-Tim
 
Work this definition:

Pro choice - the choice a woman wants to murder her unborn baby who is given no choice and denied the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Let them chew on that for a while. 🙂
 
Jimmy Akin wrote an excellent article on the subject in the November 2004 issue of This Rock magazine, entitled Explaining Ratzinger’s “Proportionate Reasons.” It discusses a letter in which Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) wrote the following:

“A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”

The article goes on to discuss what’s meant by “proportionate reasons.” We should all understand the reasoning behind such concepts as formal cooperation, material cooperation, remote material cooperation and proportionate reasons, and Mr. Akin’s article does an excellent job of explaining them.
 
I also like to add that I find the top candidates for the 2008 Presidential Election unworthy for my taste. So there is no way I am going to vote this coming elections. I cannot see myself voting a Democrat or Republican candidate who are apparently pro-choice. Not to mention, these individuals favor same sex union.
Speaking of the Catechism:
2240 Submission to authority and co-responsibility for the common good make it morally obligatory to pay taxes, to exercise the right to vote, and to defend one’s country…
Doesn’t look like we have the option of sitting one out, my friend.

Peace,
Dante
 
Speaking of the Catechism:

Doesn’t look like we have the option of sitting one out, my friend.

Peace,
Dante
Even if both adhere to the culture of death? What if both candidates are pro-choice, pro-same sex union? Those are non-negotiated. Find me a candidate who is pro-life in the General Election, and you won’t find none. Most of the pro-life candidate are not even on the top 5 list.

I can’t see myself voting for President would allow the killing of babies. Sorry… I rather let the unborn live than die. I like to add one thing. “Defending one’s country” I did fullfill. I’m in the Army now and been serving this Army for 9 yrs. Either way, I meet my duty.
 
According to Church teaching. No. A Catholic cannot be pro-choice. For 2,000 yrs the Church has always condemned abortion and its even written in the Didache (Teaching of the Twelve Apostle 40-50 AD).

Your in laws are out of touch with the teaching of the Catholic Church. You can point out to the Catechism of the Catechism, and Papal Encyclicals which condemned it. If a Catholic believes there is nothing morally wrong with voting for a pro-choice candidate, he finds himself at odds with the Church.

I do held Catholics more accountible than I do Protestants since Protestants are not bound on Magisterial Teachings. Catholics on the other hand are. They claim to be Catholic but they aren’t. They are only Catholic by name, what makes a Catholic a Catholic is someone who adhere and is completely obedient to all the teachings of the Church.

I also like to add that I find the top candidates for the 2008 Presidential Election unworthy for my taste. So there is no way I am going to vote this coming elections. I cannot see myself voting a Democrat or Republican candidate who are apparently pro-choice. Not to mention, these individuals favor same sex union.
We’re not allowed to mention names, but before you throw in the towel, please remember that we haven’t even had the primaries yet, so you are allowed still to help determine who the candidate will be. On the Republican side, there is one candidate who is now, and has always been pro-life. He is also pro-life in every regard, including being against un-just war, embryonic stem cells, IVF, etc. One the Dem side there is also one, but he’s unfortunately being considered a sort of novelty candidate, and not being taken seriously.

Anyway, after much prayer and thought, I’m going to try to get this one person nominated in the primary season, and if he doesn’t win the nomination, I plan to write him in. That way, I’m still doing my civic duty as an American and using right and obligation to vote. I’ll also be able to vote on local issues, congress, etc. If I just stay home, I miss out on my chance to do anything at all.

Just my 2 cents.

Blessings,

Steven
 
From the perspective of nearly a year prior to the 2008 election, I see that I will likely vote for a candidate for President who is “pro-choice.” It will absolutely not be because he is “pro-choice,” however. In fact, I foresee myself emerging from the voting booth desperately trying to refrain from hurling, for that very reason.

What I desire is for direct abortion to be ended in this country (and indeed, the world.) Based upon the weight of all other positions this candidate takes on the issues, were it not for this one (albeit grave) issue, I would have no qualms whatsoever voting for him; and so I see that to not vote at all, or to vote for someone with absolutely no chance of winning would give advantage to the candidate who will, without a doubt, do far more to encourage mothers all over this country, and indeed the world, to kill their unborn children.

It’s not so much about who is the lesser of two evils, but rather it is about how this evil will best be fought. Certainly not by ceding victory to her, who would most benefit this raging evil.

Fortunately, there is still time to avoid this dilemma altogether.

I’m a New Hampshire Primary voter, and I’m Pro-Life!
 
Even if both adhere to the culture of death? What if both candidates are pro-choice, pro-same sex union? Those are non-negotiated. Find me a candidate who is pro-life in the General Election, and you won’t find none. Most of the pro-life candidate are not even on the top 5 list.

I can’t see myself voting for President would allow the killing of babies. Sorry… I rather let the unborn live than die. I like to add one thing. “Defending one’s country” I did fullfill. I’m in the Army now and been serving this Army for 9 yrs. Either way, I meet my duty.
Manny, I hope you didn’t feel as though I was calling you out – that was certainly not my intent. I have noticed that your location is in Iraq, and I would not attempt to throw duty in your face. My brother-in-law finished his second tour in Iraq last year, and we are thankful to have him back in one piece. May God grant you a safe return, too.

That said, let’s get back to the voting thing.

If you do not vote, it is likely that one or the other pro-choice candidate will win anyway. Thus, your vote for one of them is not precluding a victory by a pro-life candidate. Furthermore, since one of the non-negotiables is not in play in this scenario, one must look at other issues in order to determine how best to limit the evil that might be done by a pro-choice president.

Things like economy and foreign relations and immigration take a backseat to the all-important sanctity of life – I won’t dispute that. But if both candidates support legalized abortion, they are a means to buy time, as it were, until the next election. If both candidates are pro-choice but one is staunchly in favor of tightening up immigration, or improving the economy, these are goods that can be achieved and kept in place until such time that we have a viable pro-life candidate.

Then, of course, there’s the less efficacious (but perhaps more morally satisfying) option: voting your conscience. Find an obscure candidate whose platform you support and vote for him/her, regardless of whether he or she has a realistic chance of winning. I have to admit, this is the way I’m leaning.

For what it’s worth, Manny, you have long been one of the posters whose answers I respect a great deal.

And thank you for your service to our country. I pray for your safe return home.

Peace,
Dante
 
From the perspective of nearly a year prior to the 2008 election, I see that I will likely vote for a candidate for President who is “pro-choice.” It will absolutely not be because he is “pro-choice,” however. In fact, I foresee myself emerging from the voting booth desperately trying to refrain from hurling, for that very reason.

What I desire is for direct abortion to be ended in this country (and indeed, the world.) Based upon the weight of all other positions this candidate takes on the issues, were it not for this one (albeit grave) issue, I would have no qualms whatsoever voting for him; and so I see that to not vote at all, or to vote for someone with absolutely no chance of winning would give advantage to the candidate who will, without a doubt, do far more to encourage mothers all over this country, and indeed the world, to kill their unborn children.

It’s not so much about who is the lesser of two evils, but rather it is about how this evil will best be fought. Certainly not by ceding victory to her, who would most benefit this raging evil.

Fortunately, there is still time to avoid this dilemma altogether.

I’m a New Hampshire Primary voter, and I’m Pro-Life!
I tend to agree with your premise here: a pro-choice candidate who advocates a woman’s “right to choose” is certainly a worse choice than one who thinks abortion is wrong but “doesn’t think the government has the right to intervene.”

If, however, that “lesser of two evils” candidate also gives you the heeby-jeebies, and you don’t feel as though you can trust him, you should perhaps think about voting your conscience, as I outlined in my post above.

Peace,
Dante
 
There has never been a candidate that has “perfect” ideas to the Catholic Church. Personally, for me, I think that issues such as economic distribution are just as important, so I look into things that aren’t so black/white as pro choice/life as well.
 
Hi All
We were at my in-laws for Thanksgiving and conversation started up about the upcoming election. Much to surprise my in-laws are staunch Democrats. They both are going to vote for someone who is “Pro Choice”. I ask them as a Catholics how can they vote for someone who is pro choice? He told me that you have to separate politics from religion. This totally blew me away. My question is, should Catholics vote for someone who is pro choice?

Why not ?​

It’s one thing to be against abortion - that is in principle reasonably easy to justify. Things get much more complicated when principles that in themselves are relatively straightforward are applied to (in this case) decisions about voting - it is because principles & their application are not the same thing, that people who hold the same principles, apply them
differently.

Which is why in turn there is no one right answer to your question - there is no absolute & unvarying answer to that fits all cases, even though the principle of opposition is, by itself, perfectly clear.

Another reason there is no single right answer is, that even if someone is “pro choice”, that may apply to any position from not being committed to favouring abortion, to being vigorously in favour - & that can cover a very wide variety of views.

Besides, whatever a political candidate’s own desires or priorities, the things he or she considers important are not going to be the only issues that need attention - even the most fervent advocate of abortion is going to have “other business” to attend to.

For that reason, it’s not clear that this issue can be regarded as so important that one can use it alone as a test for a candidate or for deciding how to vote. It’s very important - but that does not mean that nothing else is to be regarded as important. Practicality matters too - not voting for a candidate because he or she is not sufficiently anti-abortion for one’s liking seems odd, if there is no immediate prospect of getting rid of abortion; if that is not likely to happen in the foreseeable future, I don’t see a problem in voting for someone who is not opposed to it. If there a were realistic likelihood of a change in the foreseeable future, that would be a different matter. If someone is as acceptable as could be had, apart from not being strongly opposed to abortion, I would in principle have no problem in voting for such a person.

BTW - there is a wide difference between
  • voting for someone despite the position adopted on the issue;
    and
  • voting for someone because of that position
    The moral difference is very great - so it confuses matters to treat politicians as having the same policies on this issue (or any other) when they don’t. It’s also dishonest to ignore that kind of difference.
If it were wrong to vote for a candidate whose position was not wholly satisfactory to some group or other, one might well end not voting for anyone. That could be very irresponsible, even self-defeating. We cannot always have the candidates we might like, so we should do the best with the ones we are given. Otherwise, we risk being entirely ineffective on all issues. And what good does that do ?
 
no, catholics cannot be pro-abortion.

doesn’t mean you can’t vote for a democrat though.
 
no, catholics cannot be pro-abortion.

doesn’t mean you can’t vote for a democrat though.
In the last election Archbishop Burke of St. Louis, probably the most knowledgable Canon Lawyer in the United States, stated that if a Catholic votes for a pro-choice politician they have incurred automatic excommunication and must confess their sin before recieving Holy Communion again.
 
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