Can Catholics be pro choice?

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In the last election Archbishop Burke of St. Louis, probably the most knowledgable Canon Lawyer in the United States, stated that if a Catholic votes for a pro-choice politician they have incurred automatic excommunication and must confess their sin before recieving Holy Communion again.
Did he specify whether one is voting for the “pro-choice” candidate because of their position or despite it?

If he’s talking about someone who votes for the “pro-choice” because they are “pro-choice”, then I agree fully.
 
There has never been a candidate that has “perfect” ideas to the Catholic Church. Personally, for me, I think that issues such as economic distribution are just as important, so I look into things that aren’t so black/white as pro choice/life as well.
Economic distribution? Do you mean taking away from one who has earned to give to another who has not? I don’t want to criticize before I know what you mean.
 
What I mean is more money spent on those who need it, like the poor and homeless. I don’t think it’s a fair statement to say that all people who are poor and need financial aid just didn’t try in life and deserve to be poor. We have no clue where they’ve been, what they’ve done. A lot of people are born into poor families and therefore don’t have the means to become very successful. Or what about children who are in these families?, even if their parents made mistakes, should they pay for it? I think that it is our duty, as both Christians and people to give just a little more to help people who are in what appear to be desperate situations and so some politicians make some programs, that priotize putting our neighbour ahead of ourselves, which is what we should focus on, right?
 
We’re not allowed to mention names, but before you throw in the towel, please remember that we haven’t even had the primaries yet, so you are allowed still to help determine who the candidate will be. On the Republican side, there is one candidate who is now, and has always been pro-life. He is also pro-life in every regard, including being against un-just war, embryonic stem cells, IVF, etc.

Anyway, after much prayer and thought, I’m going to try to get this one person nominated in the primary season, and if he doesn’t win the nomination, I plan to write him in. That way, I’m still doing my civic duty as an American and using right and obligation to vote. I’ll also be able to vote on local issues, congress, etc. If I just stay home, I miss out on my chance to do anything at all.
Just corrected my own post. As much as I hate to admit it, because of my political leanings, after further research there doesn’t appear to be any candidate, major or otherwise, running this time on the Democrat side who is pro-life. It’s quite unfair for those of us, myself included, who desire the social programs associated with the Democratic Party, and the Pro-life stance taken by the Republican party in the last few elections. There are, fortunately, a few Republicans this time around who are against un-just war. So that helps soften the blow, at least during the primary/caucus season. We’ll just have to see who ends up with the nominations after that. Then we apply our ethics all over again based on the actual nominees, who may very well both be pro-infantacide this time around. If that’s the case, then we have to just go down the line of other issues and their relationship to Catholic teachings. Unjust war, concern for the poor, (also elderly, infirm, disenfranchised, imprisoned, sick, etc…)

Blessings,

Steven
 
There has never been a candidate that has “perfect” ideas to the Catholic Church. Personally, for me, I think that issues such as economic distribution are just as important, so I look into things that aren’t so black/white as pro choice/life as well.
Important, certainly, but not “**just as **important”. Nothing is more important than the fact that millions of innocent human beings are being killed and the government is doing virtually nothing to stop it. Ideally a candidate would ban abortion as well as instute economic reform to distribute wealth more fairly. But if one candidate promises a fairer economy as well as allowing abortion to continue, and another candidate would allow a less fair economy but would ban abortion, morally speaking you must unfortunately vote for the second candidate.

The right to life of every innocent human being is the most basic form of social justice. Once we have guaranteed that, then we can work on stamping out hunger, disease, poverty etc.
 
Well truth be told I do not understand american politics very well. I know in Canada, there are two political parties I consider. The one is pro-choice and yet has very strong ideas about helping those less-fortunate such as the poor and immigrants. Then the second one claims to be pro-life and yet says things such as how they will never neglect a woman of her right to choose and will never try to change the law that allows abortion, and then they are much less generous to those who need money. They may have stood against abortion before, but they aren’t anymore.

So, if you look at this scenerio, abortion is not going to be stopped in either situation. The one party is simply calling themselves pro-life to humour the catholics. In this case, I’d go with the first party I mentioned.
 
Ask the inlaws why they would support killing inocent children.
 
There has never been a candidate that has “perfect” ideas to the Catholic Church.
Yet if 3/4’s of most legislatures and the president were Republican unborn babies would be safe, marriage would be safe, prayer would probably be allowed in schools, etc…
Personally, for me, I think that issues such as economic distribution are just as important, so I look into things that aren’t so black/white as pro choice/life as well.
I can’t think of any socialist/communist governments that have been good to Christians or RCs, can you?

-Tim
 
Again, I say I really don’t know much about american politics, I admit it. Is there seriously a strong political party/ president or w/e you guys vote for that if elected would abolish abortion laws in the snap of a finger?, if so that’s awesome, go ahead and vote for them.
All I know is the situation in Canada’s a lot less simple. (look at my last post). So called “Pro-life” conservatives are doing zip and promise they will do zip on the matter, in which case I think other issues need to be observed too.
 
Again, I say I really don’t know much about american politics, I admit it. Is there seriously a strong political party/ president or w/e you guys vote for that if elected would abolish abortion laws in the snap of a finger?,
In America the power of the people as been taken by the courts (who imposed abortion against the peoples will). Prior to Bush the Supreme court had two strong stricty constitutionalist judges. Bush gave us two more. The next president will have to appoint another judge. Even the most liberal (and only pro-abortion) Republican candidate has promised to appoint a good judge. If the next president is a Republican we should have 5 (majority) solid judges and the ability to stop Roe Vs. Wade. God Willing.

-Tim
 
Or to be more specific, ask them “So you wouldn’t mind if we wanted to kill your grandchildren?”
That would be a interesting point to bring up to them. I wonder what they would think if it was their own family in that situation?
 
For those looking for a republican pro-life, anti-un-just war, you need look no further than Mike Huckabee. He’s even moving up in the polls in Iowa 🙂

I can’t vote for any of the democrats at this point, although their stance on abortion is not the deciding factor for me.
 
Buffalo, both Newsweek and the Economist had extensive articles recently on Mike Huckabee if you are looking for info. I also like John McCain, but he doesn’t fit the anti-un-just war bill that was mentoned. I do think he has more integrity that most people on Capitol Hill though.
 
For those looking for a republican pro-life, anti-un-just war, you need look no further than Mike Huckabee. He’s even moving up in the polls in Iowa 🙂

I can’t vote for any of the democrats at this point, although their stance on abortion is not the deciding factor for me.
We are not supposed to talk about individual candidates, but there is at least one other Republican who is authentically pro-life and more conservative on other issues than the neo-cons that are around now. I do not use ne-con in a derrogative sense, just mean one who is on the conservative scene of late.
 
Hi All
We were at my in-laws for Thanksgiving and conversation started up about the upcoming election. Much to surprise my in-laws are staunch Democrats. They both are going to vote for someone who is “Pro Choice”. I ask them as a Catholics how can they vote for someone who is pro choice? He told me that you have to separate politics from religion. This totally blew me away. My question is, should Catholics vote for someone who is pro choice?
I was raised to believe that you can not vote for someone who is ‘pro-choice’. At the same time, when I was a kid, it wasn’t often that both parties were pro-choice, so you had an option.

IF the Presidential Candidates were all pro-choice, but had also had very differing opinions in other matters that are important, I would vote for the person who offered to run the country in a ‘best’ manner.

If the pro-life subject is already off the table to begin with, then I feel I have to atleast cast my vote towards the person who would make a more positive impact on the country over the other candidate. If there was no substantial difference in either, I just wouldn’t vote.

If there IS a pro-life candidate, he/she automatically gets my vote because I really think stopping billions of unborn babies from being murdered should take priority over the other issues. There’s always going to be hunger, there’s always going to be wars, there’s always going to be taxes…there’s never a need for there to be unborn babies being murdered.
 
All I know is the situation in Canada’s a lot less simple. (look at my last post). So called “Pro-life” conservatives are doing zip and promise they will do zip on the matter, in which case I think other issues need to be observed too.
I get the feeling that you too quickly discount the effectiveness of pro life Canadian politicians, possibly due to your zeal for social reform. You cannot pretend the primary importance of sanctity of life is not possible in your country.

It is what it is, You are a Catholic and thus are obligated to fight for the protection of the unborn. Do be careful in this matter.

Anyhow, to personalize this, PLEASE PRAY for my two sons who are supporting Obama and trod on the sanctity of life for some political gain. I want them to repent.
 
Hi All
We were at my in-laws for Thanksgiving and conversation started up about the upcoming election. Much to surprise my in-laws are staunch Democrats. They both are going to vote for someone who is “Pro Choice”. I ask them as a Catholics how can they vote for someone who is pro choice? He told me that you have to separate politics from religion. This totally blew me away. My question is, should Catholics vote for someone who is pro choice?
The short answer: No!!!
 
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