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dochawk
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Again, read historical papal teachings about the three petrine sees.
So far, so good.
Uhh, yeah. Sure.
I’m done with this. There is no point in this.
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Uhh, yeah. Sure.
I’m done with this. There is no point in this.
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ziapueblo
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@steve-b
Have you heard of or read the Chieti Document?
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Have you heard of or read the Chieti Document?
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Masihi
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If Rome doesn’t have universal jurisdiction, as the canon appears to say then that is a stumbling block to Catholic claims.
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Masihi
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Read the first paragraph.
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steve-b
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steve-b:
Again, read historical papal teachings about the three petrine sees.
So far, so good.
Uhh, yeah. Sure.
I’m done with this. There is no point in this.
Uhh, I’m sure you wouldn’t have written what you did If you had opened the link I gave where that answer I gave came from. It was from then Card Ratzinger approved by JPII.
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steve-b
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Have you read ALL the title? http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...stuni_doc_20160921_sinodality-primacy_en.html
"Joint International Commission for Theological Dialogue
between the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church "
It’s a DIALOGUE.
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steve-b
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You’re basing YOUR claims on a dialogue. It’s ongoing. It doesn’t mean that everything / anything listed in the dialogue isn’t going to be challenged
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steve-b
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It’s a dialogue. It’s NOT once and done. It’s ongoing. That means changes will appear in this ongoing dialogue.
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steve-b
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What canon?
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AlNg
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How do you know that? and what will be the changes?
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steve-b
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It was a commission that was in theological discussion. Discussions are just that…discussions.steve-b:
How do you know that? and what will be the changes?
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AlNg
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I thought it was an officially approved dialogue which was published on the website of the Vatican? In any case, what changes did you say will appear in the dialogue?
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steve-b
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Dialogues are just that dialogues.steve-b:
I thought it was an officially approved dialogue which was published on the website of the Vatican? In any case, what changes did you say will appear in the dialogue?
Within dialogues things withing the dialogue can change.
Example: Catholics and Orthodox on papal primacy (Update) | Commonweal Magazine
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steve-b
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List of Ongoing discussions http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/sub-index/index_orthodox-ch.htmsteve-b:
How do you know that? and what will be the changes?
All with the goal of unity. Is there unity? No. I guess they are not through discussing. Dialogue continues
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ziapueblo
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I have. I don’t believe that I have said it was anything more but as you can see in paragraph 20 the document acknowledges, “Appeals to the bishop of Rome from the East expressed the communion of the Church, but the bishop of Rome did not exercise canonical authority over the churches of the East.”
In paragraph 20 which is part of the conclusion section it says, " Throughout the first millennium, the Church in the East and the West was united in preserving the apostolic faith, maintaining the apostolic succession of bishops, developing structures of synodality inseparably linked with primacy, and in an understanding of authority as a service ( diakonia ) of love. Though the unity of East and West was troubled at times, the bishops of East and West were conscious of belonging to the one Church."
The final sentence is the most powerful, “On the basis of this common heritage, both must consider how primacy, synodality, and the interrelatedness between them can be conceived and exercised today and in the future.”
I am a faithful Catholic. I believe in the importance of the Pope of Rome and that is why I am in a Church that is in communion with him! I pray for full communion between East and West daily!
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In paragraph 20 which is part of the conclusion section it says, " Throughout the first millennium, the Church in the East and the West was united in preserving the apostolic faith, maintaining the apostolic succession of bishops, developing structures of synodality inseparably linked with primacy, and in an understanding of authority as a service ( diakonia ) of love. Though the unity of East and West was troubled at times, the bishops of East and West were conscious of belonging to the one Church."
The final sentence is the most powerful, “On the basis of this common heritage, both must consider how primacy, synodality, and the interrelatedness between them can be conceived and exercised today and in the future.”
I am a faithful Catholic. I believe in the importance of the Pope of Rome and that is why I am in a Church that is in communion with him! I pray for full communion between East and West daily!
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glorybe
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But it wasn’t the “Catholic Church” in the beginning, was it? I think we were just the “Christian Church”, until the breakaways and we had to further identify ourselves. Am I wrong about that? I’m interested in just reading these answers/conversation (not debating them) because the Russian Orthodox Church has been pulling at me these past two years and I don’t know what to think about it. I’ve talked with the Russian priest and he is as sure of being the true Church as we are. I’m only “listening” here.
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BoomerangToo
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There’s lots of information here: Catholic & Orthodox Topics
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babochka
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That is an interesting way of phrasing it, when in reality the Orthodox Bishop’s in a given area approached representatives of Rome and asked to enter into Communion with Rome. The religious and political conditions that brought this about are varied, but you make it sound as though inaders came and chopped off a piece of the Orthodox Church.
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Masihi
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Canon Six of Nicaea.
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Babaganoush
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Yes some of the early councils do call the Church the Orthodox Church. It is in contrast to heterodox Christians, just like the use of the term Catholic was in contrast to local and sectarian groups. Neither of them was a name until much later.
Whether the maronites have always been in communion with Rome is debatable.
Whether the maronites have always been in communion with Rome is debatable.
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