Can Christians be Nontrinitarian?

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mlz said:
No they can’t and one must be baptised in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to be a valid baptism. (Note the Apostles and Nicean Creeds)

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Wow, that leaves out the Salvation Army and the Quakers right off the bat…🤷
 
Seekerjn316 said:
Wow, that leaves out the Salvation Army and the Quakers right off the bat…🤷
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The Catholic Church only recognizes baptism with proper matter and form are used and when both the baptizing minister and the person being baptized have the proper intention.Canon Law (CIC)
869 §2 Those baptised in a non-catholic ecclesial community are not to be baptised conditionally unless there is a serious reason for doubting the validity of their baptism, on the ground of the matter or the form of words used in the baptism, or of the intention of the adult being baptised or of that of the baptising minister.

There must be a Trinitarian belief.
 
Vico said:
The Catholic Church only recognizes baptism with proper matter and form are used and when both the baptizing minister and the person being baptized have the proper intention.Canon Law (CIC)
869 §2 Those baptised in a non-catholic ecclesial community are not to be baptised conditionally unless there is a serious reason for doubting the validity of their baptism, on the ground of the matter or the form of words used in the baptism, or of the intention of the adult being baptised or of that of the baptising minister.

There must be a Trinitarian belief.
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I recommend you look up baptism by implicit desire dear friend…

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Vico said:
The Catholic Church only recognizes baptism with proper matter and form are used and when both the baptizing minister and the person being baptized have the proper intention.Canon Law (CIC)
869 §2 Those baptised in a non-catholic ecclesial community are not to be baptised conditionally unless there is a serious reason for doubting the validity of their baptism, on the ground of the matter or the form of words used in the baptism, or of the intention of the adult being baptised or of that of the baptising minister.

There must be a Trinitarian belief.
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So one can hold Trinitarian beliefs, take Matt 25 as the standard of how Christians are to interface in this world, is deeply and firmly devoted to Christ and serving others but if no one recites the correct words while dunking, sprinkling, or pouring water on their heads…“they ain’t real Christians?” I wonder if anyone told them their service to Christ and their fellow man is all for naught…we’ll except for the part of doing right because it’s right to do.
 
Seekerjn316 said:
So one can hold Trinitarian beliefs, take Matt 25 as the standard of how Christians are to interface in this world, is deeply and firmly devoted to Christ and serving others but if no one recites the correct words while dunking, sprinkling, or pouring water on their heads…“they ain’t real Christians?” I wonder if anyone told them their service to Christ and their fellow man is all for naught…we’ll except for the part of doing right because it’s right to do.
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The just actions of non-Christians is not all for naught. These can be saved by “baptism of blood” or " baptism of desire".

*Catechism - ***“Outside the Church there is no salvation” ****846 **How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? 335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. 336
335 Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21:PL 3,1169; De unit.:PL 4,509-536.
336 LG 14; cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5.
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Vico said:
The just actions of non-Christians is not all for naught. These can be saved by “baptism of blood” or " baptism of desire".

*Catechism - ***“Outside the Church there is no salvation” ****846 **How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? 335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. 336
335 Cf. Cyprian, Ep. 73.21:PL 3,1169; De unit.:PL 4,509-536.
336 LG 14; cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5.
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What if one has no desire to be baptized with water as the believe “getting wet” isn’t necessary to live a holy life and serve Christ and their fellow man?
 
Seekerjn316 said:
What if one has no desire to be baptized with water as the believe “getting wet” isn’t necessary to live a holy life and serve Christ and their fellow man?
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That is covered by the condition: “knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.”
 
Seekerjn316 said:
What if one has no desire to be baptized with water as the believe “getting wet” isn’t necessary to live a holy life and serve Christ and their fellow man?
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Also from the Catechism:
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are “reborn of water and the Spirit.” God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
 
thephilosopher6 said:
I’m a Nontrinitarian. Well, I actually do believe that God being a trinity is possible, but based on my study of the scriptures it seems to me that God is not a trinity. But anyway, are groups such as Oneness Pentecostal and Jehovah Witness considered Christians in Catholicism? I consider myself nondenomination, but I was baptized Catholic as a baby and do have deep respect for the Catholic Church. Anyway, what do you think?
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I would say they’re not considered Christians by any of the traditional Trinitarian Christian faiths, Catholic or Protestant. Particularly any of the Evangelical Protestant traditions which are almost all Trinitarian and of course any of the Creedal Christian faiths as the trinity is pretty prominent in the Nicene Creed that those all share including Catholicism.

That said, non-trinitarian faiths that follow Christ do tend to be lumped into Christianity academically as the unifying aspect of Christianity from a purely academic perspective is Christ being the center of the faith (as opposed to say Islam where Christ is important but he’s not a focus).
 
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