Can Contracepting Parents Teach Their Teenagers to Be Chaste?

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Am I missing something? I came to this thread expecting a discussion/debate on “Can contracepting parents teach their teenagers to be chaste” and instead I find that the thread has become, almost exclusively, another debate on contraception repeating information readily available on other threads on what is and is not acceptable/allowable for parents.

Plal, as the person who started the thread, has the debate/ discussion gone the way you intended? If it hasn’t, would you like to start a separate thread where your original question can be discussed?
 
If that is true, then at bottom natural family planning, sophistry aside, seems wrong because it is an attempt to prevent pregnancy.

NFP is also a good way to determine the most likely time conception will take place.
 
mapleoak said:
It is wrong. All forms of family “planning” are wrong.
The Church approves of periodic abstinence for serious reasons, but in no way approves of ‘planning’ ones family.

Both are mortal sins.
Committing two mortal sins is worse than committing one, aside from the fact that in either case, unrepentant sin will result in the eternal death of the soul.
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mapleoak said:
No, you didn’t dismiss anything other than by calling it sophistry, as it is not even understood what you are objecting to. Reread my initial post. Arguing just for the sake of arguing?

It is the only thing that could be deduced from what you wrote.

Partially. Unjustifiably limit as well as “Plan” under the commonly understood definition of the word.

Arguing for the sake of argument.
uncommon definition.

Who said it was?

NFP stands for Natural Family Planning.

It was not me arguing. Go back and find where it started.
And I had asked for you to point out what I said was at odds with the Catechism. And I don’t mean simply posting a paragraph from the Catechism.
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I gotta go with "All forms of family “planning” are wrong" as being a somewhat confusing blanket statement.

Methinks there is a better way to say it. After all, NFP is family planning and is morally permissible for Catholics. My guess is that there are different interpretations to what “family planning” means, i.e. “Planned Parenthood”. 🤷
 
Salonika said:
Am I missing something? I came to this thread expecting a discussion/debate on “Can contracepting parents teach their teenagers to be chaste” and instead I find that the thread has become, almost exclusively, another debate on contraception repeating information readily available on other threads on what is and is not acceptable/allowable for parents.

Plal, as the person who started the thread, has the debate/ discussion gone the way you intended? If it hasn’t, would you like to start a separate thread where your original question can be discussed?
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I here you. Going back to the original concept here. I think the answer is very much yes.

My personal belief system allows for pregnancy prevention though not abortion for family planning. I plan on teaching my children to be chaste. I don’t know what measures my parents may have used or not used (don’t really want to either), but we where all taught to be chaste.

Anyhow getting back to a more catholic view on the issues a parent who is a thief can still teach their kids to not murder.
I think it would be a disservice to families to imply that breaking one church law makes a person unable to teach another.
 
teancum79 said:
I hear you. Going back to the original concept here. I think the answer is very much yes.
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teancum79 – pleased you saw what I was getting at and acted on it.

And in case anyone thinks I want to stifle debate – I don’t – just think that there are enough other threads where those who wish to debate the pros and cons, and the allowability or non-allowability of contraception for Catholics and in general.

I believe that parents who use contraception can teach their teenagers to be chaste as long as they are faithful to each other and honest and respectful in all their dealings with each other and with other people.

Respectfulness to their children includes, in my view, not sharing information with them that belongs only in their marriage, especially when this information is beyond the ability of their children (due to age) to understand.

So I believe that parents should not share information about their contraceptive practices (whether used or not, natural or otherwise) with their children.

Also, if there is a difference of opinion between parents on contraceptive practices they should be dealt with this when the children are not around not when they may hear (eg at night behind closed doors.)
 
Thank you to O.P for this thread .

The article sighted would be a good insert for parish bulletins , since this is a difficult topic to bring up during sermons .

The Holy Spirit taking charge and control of every area of our lives - our thoughts, words, bodies , sexuality … is not that what our Lord want for us , through The Merits of His incarnation and sufferings, when in His humanity , He was sustained by The Spirit …as the ever present and ongoing Father’s Love for Him and merciful Love for us … …

thus giving us too , access to that same Spirit … …to flow through us …

All the throughts and words and decisions that go into contraception …at how many levels is it telling The Spirit that we do not plan to let Him have charge and control…that same Spirit that sustains and controls all that is good in each of us and all around us …and instead choose to invite in someone / something else to have that control …

May we be blessed by our Mother, to help us to surrender all … to The Father’s Love …that she inturn , can plead for us , like that centurion did for his servant / slave …that we may be healed of our unbelief , rebellion and any hold of ungodly powers !

Come, O Holy Spirit come and take charge and control of every area of our lives !
 
I believe it is possible but probably not very effective.

Effective parenting involves many different approaches. One is to practice what you preach. Trying to teach chastity but not living chastely is like trying to teach your children to eat healthy yet consume unhealthy snacks. I could go on with analogies. (And the stealing and murder analogy? I think it is impossible to teach your children to not steal when you are in fact stealing. What does murder have to do with it?)

Another aspect is the underlying Christian message being lived. Having used ABC in the past but now not, I have come to understand what is meant by fully, and completely trusting in God. The message one is sending by using ABC is that God cannot be trusted and we are to rely solely on our own definition of what is practical and good for us. Whether your children know of the details is unimportant. They will know by your attitude and actions that God cannot be trusted.
 
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