Can everyone please stop questioning the virgin Marys perpetual virginity

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Can everyone please stop questioning the virgin Marys perpetual virginity, to question her perpetual virginity is to question your religion and I am tired of scrolling through posts claiming that Jesus has brothers. especially when the bible and early church historians explains this and gives us the answers which we seek.

quoted from the Catholic Holy bible NLT catholic readers edition

Mathew 13:55-56
Then they scoffed ,"he is just the carpenters son, and we know Mary, his mother, and his brothers- James, Joseph, Simon and Judas (Jude) all his sisters live right here among us

Mathew 27:55-56
And many women who had come from Galilee with Jesus to care for him were watching from a distance among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of James and John the sons of Zebedee

*Mathew would not refer to The virgin Mary as the mother of James and Joseph, he would refer to her as the mother of Jesus. *

Mathew 27: 59-61
Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a long sheet of clean linen cloth. he had placed it in his own new tomb which had been carved out of the rock. Then he rolled a great stone across the entrance and left. Both Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting across from the tomb and watching.

Mathew would not refer to the virgin Mary as the other Mary

John 19:25
Standing near the cross were Jesus’ Mother Mary and his mothers sister Mary ( the wife of Clopas), and Mary Magdalene

Mary was a popular name and they had no defining word for sister or cousin brother or uncle in fact many times in various bibles we read that Lot is Abrahams brother in fact we know that Abraham is Lots uncle , Clopas is also related to Joseph but look there is another Mary

Eusebius, Church History 4.22.4 Trans LCL, 1.375
After James the Just had suffered Martydom for the same reason as the lord Simeon( James brother Jesus’ couisin) the son of Clopas was appointed bishop whom they all proposed because he was another cousin to the lord

Eusebius Church History
After the martyrdom of James and the capture of Jerusalem which immediately followed, the story goes that those of the apostles and disciples of the lord who were still alive came together from everyplace with those who were humanly speaking, of the family of the Lord, for many of them were still alive and they all took council together of who they ought to adjudge worthy to succeed James all unanimously agreed that Simeon the son of Clopus whom the scripture of the Gospel mentions was worthy of the throne of the Diocese there. he so it said a cousin of the Saviour for Hegesippus relates that clopus was the Brother of Joseph
 
I totally understand the frustration. its hard when most Catholics are not properly catechized.

However we all have questions and doubts. I know I do at times and I don’t know everything in my catechism. A question I might ask might come off as annoying or stupid to someone else, but what I need is patience and understanding from others when I ask apologetic questions.

The perpetual Virginty probably confuses people because we live in a Protestant era which teaches she is not a perpetual virgin.

Thank you for posting scripture though, because we could all use those in our arsenal to defend this Catholic Truth of Mary’s virginity 🙂
 
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There are times I’m not properly Catechized also but at these times I also realise that I can turn to the bible or other Church teachings, doing this always gives me the answer which I seek.
I’ve been taught to never doubt the Lord
 
I don’t know about anybody else, but I’m having a difficult time digesting that the Blessed Virgin’s Perpetual Virginity isn’t a “big deal” to some Catholics!!!
 
Funnily enough, the early Protestants believed in Mary’s perpetual virginity
 
Dacinom said:
People might imagine a young woman in First-century Palestine, and what does it matter if she has sex after Jesus is born?
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I couldn’t disagree more! All four of the Marian Dogmas are extremely important to me! It’s all a part of what makes the Blessed Virgin Mary so unique, special and beautiful and sets her worlds apart from all of God’s creatures!
 
I believe it but it wouldn’t shake my faith if she wasn’t. I don’t get what the big deal is if she had other children.
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What about other people?

What if deviating from the truth of the Perpetual Virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary shook someone else’s faith?

All Marian doctrines have Christologic implications (as Tim Staples frequently reminds us).

With a denial of the Perpetual Virginity of the Blessed Mother, you have the FULFILLMENT being LESS than the prefigurement.

The Ark of the Coveanant is GREATER than the FULFILLED Ark of the Covenant (the Blessed Virgin Mary). If you want, I’d be happy to explain “why”.

This would be disordered as well as untrue.

Know Mary, know Jesus. No Mary, no Jesus.

God bless.

Cathoholic
 
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Brendea said:
to question her perpetual virginity is to question your religion and I am tired of scrolling through posts claiming that Jesus has brothers
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Are you sure these are posts from Catholics that you’re seeing? I would assume the majority of such posts we see on CAF are posted by Protestants, and I wouldn’t find the posts surprising coming from them.

I just did a quick search and all the posts I came up with were either Protestants posting or Catholics posing that argument so they could follow up with “How do I refute this argument from Protestants?”
 
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Why does catholics focus so much on Mary’s virginity?
Jesus would have died a virgin yes? Considering he wasn’t married. But I never hear this mentioned.

Genuine question…
 
The Orthodox believe that she is a Perpetual virgin, go to any Byzantine liturgy, the Orthodox were not the only ones, the early Protestant reformers also believed in the Perpetual virginity. Luther was especially fond of it.
 
For Catholics its a dogma of the faith that Mary was “ever virgin”. It would not be fitting for she who brought God himself into the world to bare other, lesser, mortal children. The early Christian text the Gospel of James (2nd century) records an ancient tradition that the young Mary was consecrated as a virgin to the Lord at the temple… we actually just celebrated the feast of the Presentation of Mary at the temple.
 
Brendea said:
Can everyone please stop questioning the virgin Marys perpetual virginity,
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To be clear, I will question whatever I want and whenever I want to do so. This stop-questioning-things mentality is unhealthy and antithetical to a faith with such a long-standing intellectual tradition.
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Why does catholics focus so much on Mary’s virginity?
Jesus would have died a virgin yes?
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That’s a good point. It’s likely due to cultural conditioning that women’s chastity is more doted on than men’s.
 
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