Can Faith Insist on Evidence

[bentcurve]

Thanks,

I’d like to discuss your first statement. “We can never fully prove anything besides our own existence, so therefore faith is the nature of our reality”

I think it depends on what finds “acceptable as proof.” For example 1+1 always equals 2
It may not proveable, yet it is not able to be disproven. Therein is the proof.

Science tells us the the Universe consist of BILLIONS of stars, planets, and galaxies. These same scientiest can only PROVE that one of them; EARTH, can support life as we know it.

On this planet Earth there are many HUMDREDS OF THOUSANDS of living 'Things". BUT only ONE; Humanity has what is needed to “Love.” Inorder to LOVE requires a mind, a intellect and a freewill.

Were I to ask you to qunatify for us your “freewill” for example: size, weight, shape, color. You would be unable to do it. WHY? Despite the fact that these attributes can be proven to be present; they are “part of us” and are “SPIRITUAL THINGS”

Science has determined that “Like MUST orginate from like.” We inherit our hair and eye color, perhpas even our temperment from out biological parents. BUT these 'Spiritual things" MUST come from a 'Spiritual Source." The Only Spiritual source we are aware of [acknowleded or not] is what we term God. Therefore we can KNOW that a source greater than us exist. That source we call our God.

This God has also created “Natural Law”. Throw a rock into the air and it will fall everytime. RAIN is always wet. The Sun rises and the moon sets. All of these are FACTS that cannot be disproven. Again evidence that “God exist.”

Back to humanity. because ONLY humanity has the potential to love; we can reasonably assume that is what we are created to do. The question then becomes to love “what” or “whom”? In this example Faith is still required to reach the Correct answer.

I certainly agree with your final comment. BUT, does it apply to ALL, Many or some?

WELCOME TO THE FORUM! THANKS FOR JOINING US:thumbsup:

God Bless,
Pat

I did not see this, but let me approach it like this. I will use your 1+1 = 2 theory. You say this is true because it cannot be disproven. Here we go. I will give you two. One is simple, one is complex.

First:

1/3 = .3333333333333333333333333333
1/3 * 3 = .333333333333333333 *3
3/3 = .9999999999999999999
1 = .999999999999999999999999

Second:

a = b
a^2 = ab
a^2-b^2 = ab-b^2
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
(a+b) = b
a+a = a
2a = a
2 = 1

Everything is in how you look at it. You see 1 = 1 and accept it, and so 1 + 1 = 2. However, when looked at from a different way I have shown that 1 + 1 = 4 or 1 + 1 = 1.9999999999999

Thanks for the welcome

 

[Luke_K]

I did not see this, but let me approach it like this. I will use your 1+1 = 2 theory. You say this is true because it cannot be disproven. Here we go. I will give you two. One is simple, one is complex.

First:

1/3 = .3333333333333333333333333333
1/3 * 3 = .333333333333333333 *3
3/3 = .9999999999999999999
1 = .999999999999999999999999

Second:

a = b
a^2 = ab
a^2-b^2 = ab-b^2
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
(a+b) = b
a+a = a
2a = a
2 = 1

Everything is in how you look at it. You see 1 = 1 and accept it, and so 1 + 1 = 2. However, when looked at from a different way I have shown that 1 + 1 = 4 or 1 + 1 = 1.9999999999999

Thanks for the welcome

.9999 repeated is just another valid way of representing 1. It is a consequence of using decimal notation rather than fractions.

In the second example you divided by zero (a-b) which is a big no-no. :tsktsk: Using the fourth and fifth lines alone you can make anything equal anything else:
20=128319230 then dividing both sides by 0 gives
2=12831923

 

[warpspeedpetey]

.9999 repeated is just another valid way of representing 1. It is a consequence of using decimal notation rather than fractions.

In the second example you divided by zero (a-b) which is a big no-no. :tsktsk: Using the fourth and fifth lines alone you can make anything equal anything else:
20=128319230 then dividing both sides by 0 gives
2=12831923

You don’t even have to go that far, atomize it and you can see the violations of identity. 1/3 =/= .99999999, A =/= B, 2 =/= 1, etc.

 

[bentcurve]

you miss the point. The point was not to use valid math, but to show that all things can variable when looked at in different ways.

 

[Lui]

Did a clown explode in here?

That was so funny after trying to read the previous post with all those colors and different font sizes

 

[warpspeedpetey]

That was so funny after trying to read the previous post with all those colors and different font sizes

Finally! I thought that one went right over every ones head. (nicht zu verstehen ein Witz)

 

[PJM]

=warpspeedpetey;8183727]You don’t even have to go that far, atomize it and you can see the violations of identity. 1/3 =/= .99999999, A =/= B, 2 =/= 1, etc.

THANKS FOR THE BACK UP

HAD ME LAUGHING; BUT “HAD ME”

GOD BLESS,

Some folks are just smarter than God:shrug:

Thanks again for your help,
Pat