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Michael68
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Jon,
I do know for a fact you cannot become a Catholic priest via the internet
I do know for a fact you cannot become a Catholic priest via the internet
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TC2
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We attended the ordination of the pastor of our last church.
He felt the Call, began taking preaching engagements (when a reg pastor couldn’t be at his church, ect), and after time and prayer with various elders, it was done.
They gathered (and we the congregation witnessed), lay hands on him, and prayed for his ministry. Done.
There might have been more that I wasn’t aware of in regards to his preparation/answering to the elders, ect. But those were (and still are for some) the basics.
He felt the Call, began taking preaching engagements (when a reg pastor couldn’t be at his church, ect), and after time and prayer with various elders, it was done.
They gathered (and we the congregation witnessed), lay hands on him, and prayed for his ministry. Done.
There might have been more that I wasn’t aware of in regards to his preparation/answering to the elders, ect. But those were (and still are for some) the basics.
Nor Lutheran nor Anglican nor Methodist nor Baptist nor Presbyterian, nor virtually any others.
Jon
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Peter_J
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Uh oh. Guess I’d better go apologize to my Buddhist friends for all the times I called them Protestants.
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Michael68
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After the terrible “Reformation” the term protestant came about. Why? They are protesting the Catholic Church just like non Catholics do here on a regular basis. The term is correct
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PJM
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I HAVE heard of it.
It’s a sale product that somehow authorizes that person to term themselves now to be a CERTIFIED “Pastor”; and therefore QUALIFIED to be the one who alone has god’s truths.
It has added greatly to the proliferation of Protestant faith and churches.
May God grant to all who claim to be Christians; HIS True Faith: AMEN
Actually, the origin of the term has to do with the formal protest issued at the second Diet of Speyer in 1529, which was attempting to reinstate in limits on religious practices by churches that were not in communion with the is Bishop of Rome. It was a protest against civilian authorities, not against the doctrines or teachings of the Catholic Church.
I assume that is what Father Don means when he correctly states that non-catholic and Protestant are not the same. Few communions were actually involved in the protest.
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PJM
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Hi PJM,
Thanks
You can applaud Michael’s sentiments, but they don’t fit the facts of history, nor do they fit the facts, overall, of contemporary times. The notion that protestants, by and large, spend their time “protesting” the Catholic Church and her teachings doesn’t square with the reality. Most just don’t care. They were brought up in the communion they are in, or moved to a different communion via marriage, or some by convenience. The idea of protesting the Catholic Church just doesn’t occur to them.
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Wannano
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I am interested that you feel the Reformation was a terrible ordeal. Is not the Catholic Church better off and left purer with all of us heretics gone from your program.? Surely we were poison to your faith what with all our false interpretations and teaching. It seems like you are protesting the fact that the Protestants have a right to exist at all. I appreciate the opportunity to ask questions and dialogue on CAF and have never felt like I am PROTESTING the Catholic Church at all. I find it interesting to look at things from your point of view and have learned lots here.
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Don_Ruggero
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I have only been visiting here for a few months. I seem to have missed encountering these non Catholics who are protesting the Church on a regular basis here. On the other hand, I have met some very interesting non Catholics here, such as JonNC, who are knowledgeable of history and theology and engaging to interact with. Some are Protestant. A Mormon or two who, of course, are not Protestant. And a couple of people who are Jewish…and therefore anything but Protestant.
Speaking of the Reformation…If the Lord allows me to see another year upon the earth, I look forward, with genuinely the greatest of anticipation, to the joint commemoration of the Reformation next year, as Catholics and Lutherans jointly commemorate the 500th anniversary.
It will be truly epic, with plans already well advancing; a very special moment in history to see. It will be the bookend to the beginning of my clerical life, when I had the privilege of contributing to the implementation of Nostra Aetate which began a transformation in Catholic Jewish relations, God be thanked.
To have lived in the era of Vatican II and its implementation has been so tremendous as to be inestimable and I am grateful to Divine Providence that He brought me into life in these decades out of all human history.
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Reuben_J
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The Church always can do with some pruning in her history.
My only regret, and therefore do not approve with what the reformers did, was that they split from the Church in the name of reforming. Today the inheritance of these people are opposing the Church, believing in theology that is altogether different. That was not what the Lord wanted us to be when he exhorted his disciples to be one.
I hope you would understand my post. I am disapproving the action of the reformers. I am not against you.
As for Protestants do not protest the Catholic Church, I think they still do if you look carefully. At least some (denominations) of them while some would be satisfied to have a dig at the CC now and then.
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Michael68
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IMO, the Reformation brought about the terrible myths about Catholicism that continue to this day. To see an example of modern protestants, just check out any thread that has to do with questions about the Catholic faith.
Which Protestants? You know there is no such communion/denomination/organization/institution. It is not an entity, but instead a name for a broad, general category of Christians in the west .
So, when you say “to see an example of modern Protestants”, you have to be specific, because there is no such thing. You might have an example of modern Baptists, or Reformed, or Lutheran, but they will be significantly different from the other.
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Michael68
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I gave my definition and I’m sticking to it.
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Michael68
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You are correct in saying that most aren’t aware they are protesting. The “Reformers” were well aware
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steido01
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Can you clarify? I’ve looked over the thread and I don’t see a definition.
I see an assertion: “They [undefined] are protesting the Catholic Church just like non Catholics do here on a regular basis”
And I see a nebulous support for that assertion: “any thread that has to do with questions about the Catholic faith.”
Now, I’m not sure what your definition of ‘definition’ is, but I’m not sure this qualifies. :ehh:
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Michael68
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Ok, for 1100 years there was one church. Then the Reformers, especially Martin Luther broke away in protest of the one church. Protestant means protesting the one church.
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steido01
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Missing about 400 years there. I’m going to posit, again, that you could have a fuller understanding of just what happened in 1053 and 1517.
And, no, ‘Protestant’ does not mean protesting the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church. It refers to the protest against political control of the church at the Diet of Speyer. Today, that word is often used as a catch-all for any western Christian community that isn’t in communion with Rome, despite the fact that the various Reformations had little-to-nothing to do with each other, other than being condemned by Rome. Rather a silly and arbitrary line, don’t you think?
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Michael68
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Thank you, but I have always seen two camps. The true camp and the camp with thousands of variations on the true camp.
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