Can Holy Orders ever be later determined to be Invalid?

[Franciscan]

how does holy orders not fit with sacraments
?

 

[Titus]

how does holy orders not fit with sacraments
?

Please clarify your meaning.

 

[Franciscan]

Please clarify your meaning.

I was responding to the moderator. i didn’t see where we went off track.

 

[awalt]

I have an example of Holy Orders later becoming invalid, and the ordinations had to be redone –

There was a bishop in South America who was strongly prejudiced against ordaining ‘native’ clergy. On his deathbed he confessed that when it came to native clergy he had always withheld his intention. The priest who heard his confession refused him absolution unless he gave permission for this fact to be exposed to the proper authorities. This permission was granted. All the native clergy involved were re-ordained. Such episodes are extremely rare in the history of the Church, and for obvious reasons not normally made public.

I read it somewhere, it is at least posted here:

wandea.org.pl/validity-sacraments.htm

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I have an example of Holy Orders later becoming invalid, and the ordinations had to be redone –

There was a bishop in South America who was strongly prejudiced against ordaining ‘native’ clergy. On his deathbed he confessed that when it came to native clergy he had always withheld his intention. The priest who heard his confession refused him absolution unless he gave permission for this fact to be exposed to the proper authorities. This permission was granted. All the native clergy involved were re-ordained. Such episodes are extremely rare in the history of the Church, and for obvious reasons not normally made public.

I read it somewhere, it is at least posted here:

wandea.org.pl/validity-sacraments.htm

Sorry to go off topic on this but the priest here commited an error.

No priest can withhold absolution in this way. There is no way for a priest to require that anything said in the confessional be made public.

 

[lak611]

I noticed that in parishes where a seminarian is from and about to be ordained, they publish banns for ordination, just like parishes publish wedding banns. Is this for the same reason for ordination as for weddings, so if somebody knows a reason that the man cannot be ordained they will have an opportunity to say something, just like if they know that a couple cannot be married they have the opportunity to say something?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I noticed that in parishes where a seminarian is from and about to be ordained, they publish banns for ordination, just like parishes publish wedding banns. Is this for the same reason for ordination as for weddings, so if somebody knows a reason that the man cannot be ordained they will have an opportunity to say something, just like if they know that a couple cannot be married they have the opportunity to say something?

As far as I know this is not required but my guess would be that where it is being done that this is part of the reason behind doing it.

 

[Titus]

Sorry to go off topic on this but the priest here commited an error.

No priest can withhold absolution in this way. There is no way for a priest to require that anything said in the confessional be made public.

In fact that ought to be impossible. No priest may break the seal of the confessional or force/ be forced to break it. It is the most inviolable trust on Earth.

 

[G_S]

A male found out to have never been baptized would not have been validly ordained.