Can Homosexuality Be Proved Wrong From Natural Law

[larkin31]

larkin

*Queer is here to stay. That is all there is to it. It always HAS been here; the mask will just no longer work. *

You don’t know history. That’s what gays were bragging in Berlin in the 1920s.

Hitler had other plans, and he executed them without opposition. A thing that can happen in one country can happen in any country, though you may at present be smug enough to think it can’t.

Are you suggesting that gays will be summarily killed in the US? I don’t understand your point here.

You appear to be of a rather tender age.

I am 50. how “tender” is that?

Queer was as repulsive to Plato as it was to Paul

Both these men were neurotics (geniuses, too, of course). This is well known.

. Yes, homosexuality is universal. So is incest. So is rape.

Nice smear tactic. I figured you would go for it soon.

That doesn’t mean unnatural sex is right

There is nothing “unnatural” about non-procreative sex. The world depends on sexuality NOT being highly procreative.

or that all straight people have to deny the utter repulsion they have for unnatural sex

No one cares what you or I find personally repulsive. I am not discussing my tastes, nor should law or morality be based on these tastes either.

and must be forbidden (and judged bigots) for keeping their children as far away from the gay scene as possible.

Which “gay scene” do you mean? What “gay scenes” do you have children near? Do you even have children? I have raised two, and I never had them near any sexual “scenes” of any kind, but they both know friends whose parents are gay. Do you mean that you would not permit children to have friends who are children of gays? Would you not allow them to visit their homes (is that a “gay scene?”)?

 

[larkin31]

The percentage of homosexuals in Western society far exceeds the percentage of genetic homosexuals. …

What?

I have NEVER seen this claim before. From what research do you get this? And what is a “genetic homosexual”?

 

[larkin31]

No, sir, you are gravely mistaken when you glibly state that all parenting is social engineering.

I was NOT glib. I AM a parent and I meant the remark SINCERELY, just not with the same negative tone in which it was first used.

Catholic parents do not force feed their children the stuff that some schools do.

Well, CCD doesn’t feed the same material as public school, true. But that was not the point of the remark “social engineering.”

Study after study has shown that a child best prospers within a family unit that includes his father and mother.

No one denies this. It is irrelevant. Kids do better when they have college-educated parents, too. Big deal.

We must always have the interest of the child foremost in our hearts and minds. They are not appendages to a “gay lifestyle”>

I DO put kids first, including the children of gays and the children who are growing into gay self-awareness themselves. I work with them and advocate for them every day. They have a very tough life ahead of them; no one wishes it on them, and many would rather not have their neighbors and their culture see them as abominations. And who could blame them for wishing that they were not the dregs of moral society?

 

[HauntedJame]

larkin

*Queer is here to stay. That is all there is to it. It always HAS been here; the mask will just no longer work. *

You don’t know history. That’s what gays were bragging in Berlin in the 1920s.

Hitler had other plans, and he executed them without opposition. A thing that can happen in one country can happen in any country, though you may at present be smug enough to think it can’t.

You appear to be of a rather tender age. Queer was as repulsive to Plato as it was to Paul. Yes, homosexuality is universal. So is incest. So is rape. It’s all here to stay. That doesn’t mean unnatural sex is right, or that all straight people have to deny the utter repulsion they have for unnatural sex and must be forbidden (and judged bigots) for keeping their children as far away from the gay scene as possible.

I kept saying I wouldn’t reply, but…oh well!

Queer has been here a long time. You can trace it back through history. It hasn’t always been celebrated, but it has been there. The history of homosexuality is a long and fascinating one.

As for America or any other country suddenly starting to exterminate homosexuals is hilarious. First of all, Hollywood would officially be dead. Because honey, let me tell you…we’re everywhere. We do everything. We make your clothes, your films, we make your food and we make your couch. So careful: You might catch something!!

And comparing it to incest and rape, something that clearly physically and mentally damages people, is just silly. Homosexuality is something you are, and when you have sex with another one of the same sex, it is because both want it. No one ends up in hospital after making love (unless they are very kinky). So really, your whole argument is nothing but…well…a yawn of standard things thrown out because of fear. Or maybe suppressed homosexuality?

 

[larkin31]

This is what I’m talking about:

massresistance.org/docs/info/kbase/horror_stories.html

God bless,
Ed

The first link is all about a private school. Why should I read on? It even shows some of the teachers disagreeing (we have had similar conversations at my private school). Unhappy parents at this school should just leave it. They are paying extra to be there, so they get what they get.

The point of the school program was simply to say to children, “There are decent gays out there in our world, some of them quite famous.”

That message is fine with me.

 

[Leela]

That is EXACTLY the whole point of the gay agenda. They cannot win the “born gay” argument so they then choose the educational sphere in order to teach the kids how to be gay. I’m really surprised I had to point this out to you. Where have you been for the past thirty years? It is because of the constant drumming of their message that moreand more true Catholics are standing up to them.

I think you are way off here. No one is hoping to win new converts to homosexuality. That is simply absurd. How exactly would that work on someone who is not already attracted to people of the same sex?

Also, your argument about the “resourcefulness” use of the male sex organ is bordering on absurdly fanatical. What if a heterosexual man approached his wife with this “resourceful” spiel in order to pressurise her into a sex avt she was deeply uncomfortable with? What sort of skewed thinking have we formed here?

Many women enjoy anal sex. I wouldn’t endorse doing anything that you aren’t comfortable with.

Does Catholicism forbid anal sex within a heterosexual marriage? Oral sex?

 

[larkin31]

Does Catholicism forbid anal sex within a heterosexual marriage? Oral sex?

I recently read this commentary. Sex (the physical act) must culminate in unprotected vaginal ejaculation, and other erotic acts are allowed but must be all geared lovingly to this culmination. I don’t think that the RCC comments directly on anal sex, but I think that you get the gist of their position.

Masturbation is a disorder (RCC) and is a sin (with exculpating nods to age and stresses).

 

[GaryTaylor]

I’ve found this behavior to warrent no more consideration than that of a Alcoholic, Gambler, Sex Addict etc. Once observed, and honestly confronted, over a period of time, personality disorders and behavior’s often become apparent. And more often than not there’s sexual abuse as a child involved. This usually is physical, verbal, and psychological, or a various combination of these. This cruel behavior leads to learned behavior’s which become difficult to overcome. Self Esteem, Self Respect, Confidence, Anger Management, etc. I believe you get the idea.

In “all” the case’s I’ve worked with or observed other peers working with, this has been the case. I’ve heard about this rare bird who felt born of the wrong sex from birth. I haven’t witnessed this, though I have seen many claim this, only to see there reason fail miserably through time and confrontation.

Children often go through a stage of gaining understanding through experiment. Hey whats yours look like? More often than not this is children growing. They know whats right and wrong. They chose to ignore this and wander into taboo areas. More often that not, this either never happens, or its a limited experience. They then grow into “normal” teens with “normal” relationships.

I’ve worked with many young adult women who drift into bi-sexual relationships. I’ve found they also were involved in negative relationships with men prior. I have never meet a bi-sexual female who is, or was in a perfectly healthy relationship with a male. I’ve also heard about this existing, but I am suspect. Negative lifestyles yield negative results period. Unablitly to deal with being alone is another issue.

Seperate instance’s I’ve encountered go on and on. Yet they all fit into the mentioned catagory. And to take it a another step. Even woman in negative lifestyle’s usually conform to the “strickly dickly” theory. And with men the same deal in reverse

And there’s all kind of variation and combination, yet they all portray behavior’s and personality issue’s. If someone else has a different experience working in this field? I’d certainly like to hear about it and would be interested.

I’ve worked outpatient, long term in-patient, tc’s, substance abuse, homeless shelters, dept of correction and parole, domestic violence shelters for women, state mental heath, state mental retardation-behavior unit.

The greatest percent of sexual deviants, result from abuse which creates disorders of various types. Then its often compounded by denial as with addicts

You can come to your own conclusion from this and if “you” believe its wrong from nature. But if there is a case out here thats Natural? I’ve yet to see it. And if you think your that case? I’d love to speak with you privately.

God Bless
GT

 

[larkin31]

I’ve found this behavior to warrent no more consideration than that of a Alcoholic, Gambler, Sex Addict etc. Once observed, and honestly confronted, over a period of time, multiple personality disorders and behavior’s often become apparent…

What? Gays have MPD “often”?

 

[HauntedJame]

I’ve found this behavior to warrent no more consideration than that of a Alcoholic, Gambler, Sex Addict etc. Once observed, and honestly confronted, over a period of time, multiple personality disorders and behavior’s often become apparent. And more often than not there’s sexual abuse as a child involved. This usually is physical, verbal, and psychological, or a various combination of these. This cruel behavior leads to learned behavior’s which become difficult to overcome. Self Esteem, Self Respect, Confidence, Anger Management, etc. I believe you get the idea.

In “all” the case’s I’ve worked with or observed other peers working with, this has been the case. I’ve heard about this rare bird who felt born of the wrong sex from birth. I haven’t witnessed this, though I have seen many claim this, only to see there reason fail miserably through time and confrontation.

Children often go through a stage of gaining understanding through experiment. Hey whats yours look like? More often than not this is children growing. They know whats right and wrong. They chose to ignore this and wander into taboo areas. More often that not, this either never happens, or its a limited experience. They then grow into “normal” teens with “normal” relationships.

I’ve worked with many young adult women who drift into bi-sexual relationships. I’ve found they also were involved in negative relationships with men prior. I have never meet a bi-sexual female who is, or was in a perfectly healthy relationship with a male. I’ve also heard about this existing, but I am suspect. Negative lifestyles yield negative results period. Unablitly to deal with being alone is another issue.

Seperate instance’s I’ve encountered go on and on. Yet they all fit into the mentioned catagory. And to take it a another step. Even woman in negative lifestyle usually conform to the “strickly dickly” theory. And with men the same deal in reverse

And there’s all kind of variation and combination, yet they all portray behaviors and personality issue’s. If someone else has a different experience working in this field? I’d certainly like to hear about it and would be interested.

I’ve worked outpatient, long term in-patient, tc’s, substance abuse, homeless shelters, dept of correction and parole, domestic violence shelters for women, state mental heath, state mental retardation-behavior unit.

The greatest percent of sexual deviants, result from abuse which creates disorders of various types. Then its often compounded by denial as with addicts

You can come to your own conclusion from this and if “you” believe its wrong from nature. But if there is a case out here thats Natural? I’ve yet to see it. And if you think your that case? I’d love to speak with you privately.

God Bless
GT

Wow…aren’t you just a charming individual, comparing us to addicts.

Never been abused, had a happy and normal childhood…and yeah, gay. And it is what I have been as long as I can remember, right back to my childhood.

 

[larkin31]

Wow…aren’t you just a charming individual, comparing us to addicts.

Never been abused, had a happy and normal childhood…and yeah, gay. And it is what I have been as long as I can remember, right back to my childhood.

I could not get past his first claim about multiple personality disorders…

 

[GaryTaylor]

So you do feel you fit into the above situation? Have you ever been through confrontational theropy? Or you feel it wasn’t needed?

 

[HauntedJame]

I could not get past his first claim about multiple personality disorders…

LOL! True…I almost spilled my coffee reading it because I was giggling. I take it that it is some sort of joke post?

 

[HauntedJame]

So you do feel you fit into the above situation? Have you ever been through confrontational theropy? Or you feel it wasn’t needed?

Look…I’ve been gay as long as I have been self-aware. I’ve talked to people about it, I even set out to be “cured”, but you know what? I was born this way, it’s who and what I am…what God made me, and who am I to change what He has created? So I am actually a rather happy homosexual, with a good job and a good life.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

larkin

Do you mean that you would not permit children to have friends who are children of gays? Would you not allow them to visit their homes (is that a “gay scene?”)?

Yes, that would constitute a gay scene. Just as I would consider it unwise for my children to play with the children of drug addicts. No bigotry there either.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I corrected the MPD lets move on, that was my error. Sorry about that.

 

[larkin31]

larkin

Do you mean that you would not permit children to have friends who are children of gays? Would you not allow them to visit their homes (is that a “gay scene?”)?

Yes, that would constitute a gay scene. Just as I would consider it unwise for my children to play with the children of drug addicts. No bigotry there either.

I don’t call this analogy “bigoted.” I call it “ignorant.” And “paranoid.”

Again, do you or have you ever had children? Or is all of this hypothetical for you?

Do you screen the parents of friends for their sinful heterosexual practices as well?

 

[Charlemagne_II]

larkin

*The point of the school program was simply to say to children, “There are decent gays out there in our world, some of them quite famous.”

That message is fine with me. *

Well really, who cares what’s fine with you? It’s what’s fine with the parents that counts.

 

[HauntedJame]

larkin

Do you mean that you would not permit children to have friends who are children of gays? Would you not allow them to visit their homes (is that a “gay scene?”)?

Yes, that would constitute a gay scene. Just as I would consider it unwise for my children to play with the children of drug addicts. No bigotry there either.

Yeah, drug addicts might have drugs lying around openly, that children could harm themselves on…what are the gays going to have? Muscle mags and sex toys on the dinner table? Honey, there’s a difference…a huge one, and you just ain’t getting it.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Look…I’ve been gay as long as I have been self-aware. I’ve talked to people about it, I even set out to be “cured”, but you know what? I was born this way, it’s who and what I am…what God made me, and who am I to change what He has created? So I am actually a rather happy homosexual, with a good job and a good life.

Yet you have never put youe very thinking to the test with Theropy?