Can Homosexuality Be Proved Wrong From Natural Law

[colmcille1]

Fair enough, but there are Catholics who do not believe that His teaching is reflected in some of the teaching of the Church, and (to an outsider)** the Church seems to weakly give in, being neither willing to fight its corner **nor update its teaching.

Frankly, there are times when the Church does not appear to be convinced of its own position on these matters, and an outsider can get confused about who exactly are the true Catholics - those who go along with the Church no matter what, or those who want change.

Well, this outsider is anyway.

Hi inocente,
Your highlighted words p(name removed by moderator)oint exactly where it is at here in Ireland.
They should celebrate the great eternal truths of Catholicism instead of running scared.
They opt to play a political game with all the tawdry tactics that implies.
I think the change should be a change of personnel rather than a change of dogma.
Ironically, I believe that a Church fortified with Love and unafraid to proclaim this Love for all would garner a lot more respect from homosexual and heterosexual alike.
God Bless,
Colmcille.

 

[inocente]

So how do we reconcile these two groups?

That’s a dicky of a question.

It’s not for me to pretend to know what the Church should do, but it’s a little sad to see Catholics voting with their feet. In Spain at least they don’t appear to lose the core teachings of Christ, but they are losing something and the Church is too.

One of the differences between the two groups is about the teaching of Christ. Both sides can claim isolated verses or particular interpretations of scripture, and both sides have their own sincere vision of the Spirit.

How central the Aquinas natural law is to the main body of Catholicism I don’t know, so here goes nothing: First, is the hierarchy out of touch with opinion on the ground - does the Vatican feel the pulse or is it filtered through layers of yes men? Then second why does the Church not debate these issues openly with all Catholics, knowing it will win, instead of defensively blaming secularism or whatever?

Perhaps these things are happening already and I never noticed, but allow me to share your frustration even as an outsider.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

inocente

*How central the Aquinas natural law is to the main body of Catholicism I don’t know, so here goes nothing: First, is the hierarchy out of touch with opinion on the ground - does the Vatican feel the pulse or is it filtered through layers of yes men? *

The early Church also saw much division. Paul was aware of that division and preached against it. He was of the true Catholic Church. Others taught false doctrines. It is no different today than it was then. The devil seeks to divide so as to conquer. Some he will conquer, others he will not. The Catholic Church, you may have noticed, is not run like some Protestant churches. Doctrines are not decided by a vote of the laity. Heresy is an ancient problem in the Church. But the Church has lasted 2,000 years. It can hardly be said that it hasn’t been able to fight for its life all that time. The Nazis, with all their marvelous military might and powers of persuasion (usually at the point of a gun) are history. The Catholic Church is still very much here.

Then second why does the Church not debate these issues openly with all Catholics, knowing it will win, instead of defensively blaming secularism or whatever?

Could you clarify this question? What do you mean “debate these issues openly”? The Church is not a debating society. It already has the truth. Its mission is to teach the truth. If some do not accept the truth, the Church can do as Christ admonished us all to do: “shake the dust of that town from your feet and move on.” Moreover, Catholics (even heretical Catholics) are not the enemy of the Church. Godless secularism is.