This is where racism comes in. Not every illegal alien is of Hispanic origin.How could this possibly be true? According to the latest DOJ report (ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pim08st.pdf see Table 16), less then 20% of prisoners were Hispanic, period.
Even if every Hispanic prisoner was an illegal alien, you would still be missing over 200,000 inmates, unless you assume that huge numbers of criminal illegal aliens are non-Hispanic (and this population is almost negligible.)
I never said that the idea of reconquistador was prevelent among all hispanics. You are putting words in my mouth to bolster your view points. And “white guys who yell crazy things” have nothing to do with illegal immigration. Plus illegal immigration is not only hispanics. It is all illegals from any country. You seem to think that all hispanics are illegal. Are you a racist?Again, where do you get the idea the “reconquistador” viewpoint is prevalent among Hispanics in the US? Of course there are a few people on the lunatic fringe who spout these ideas. I’ve also had white guys yell crazy things at me at pro-life protests, so does this mean that we should kick all the white guys out of the country too?
Any racial or ethnic group is going to have its share of crazy leftists, but I see no evidence that the illegal immigrant population has more of them than the general population.
I said nothing of the sort. As a law enforcement professional, you should know that Washington, DC is one of the major MS-13 hotspots in the US. How could I possibly be unaware of them?
There are a number of Hispanic gangs that operate in this region, including MS-13, Sur 13, BPL, Vato Loco, and others. However, drawing from the gang members (current and former) that I have met, Hispanics living here illegally are no more likely to be in gangs than the legal ones, which is what I said in my original post.
Your only argument here is that we could reduce crime by preventing Hispanics from coming to the US in general, but basing policy decisions on this kind of racist argument is not what democracies do.
I’m a conservative who has voted the Republican ticket ever since I was old enough to vote, so I suppose that makes me a “left wing liberal”…
In fact, let me tell you something about the neighborhood where I live. Before the recent wave of Hispanic immigration, my neighborhood was a ghetto full of drug dealers – a place where no sane person would choose to live. The parish was on the verge of closure due to low attendance. Gangs were a major threat and the rectory suffered some serious robberies.
But then, a wonderful thing happened – a wave of immigrant Hispanics moved into the neighborhood, taking advantage of low property values and displacing the crackhouses. Crime began to drop and the non-Hispanic gangs moved elsewhere. We do have problems with Hispanic gangs that we didn’t before (see above), but the departure of the other gangs more than makes up for it. Our parish has also experienced a boom – contributions are up, attendance in our CCD programs has increased 1000%, and we now have many volunteers to undertake all sorts of improvements and ministries in our parish.
In our case, very few of the traditional “gentrifiers” moved in – it was the immigrants who brought their familes into the neighborhood.
If all the Hispanics in my neighborhood disappeared, what would happen? Attendence at my parish would collapse, we would no longer be able to pay our bills or staff our ministries, and the parish would probably close. Vacancies would rise, property values would collapse, and our old gang problem would probably come back. (Counties that passed tough anti-illegal laws, such as Prince William county in Virginia, experienced this – vacancies started rising before the housing crisis even hit).
But hey – there woudn’t be any more La Raza members or reconquistadores, so you would be happy, right?
Just look at the link ByzCath put up. It shows how wrong you are in your statistics.Then give them the legalization. Except for the criminals. Your statistics on them are so wrong because US have about ten millions inmates or more. If 30% of them were illegal, it give us 3 millions. It would be 25% of the undocumented population. In a recent publishing by the Federal Administration they found that the percentage of crimes by the undocumented population is inferior to the overhall population. Then you are lying or being mislead.
If I am saying what you took as fact is wrong is because I believe it is not a fact. And I gave reasons for that. I forget even of tell you. Some of my friends lied to the Treasury Department. They declared more money than they make. Their intentions is have not return because they believe on that, it could interefere with their legalization when it come.
Anyways, even when someone uses a false number for to make the income taxes the money goes to the government. It will be used in favor of the society not matter when.
Your assumptions are wrong. Not everybody hates United States. Most of all they don’t even care. These discussion of hatred is a fiasco. In my original country I know many people who desdains Americans. But when we have one American going there and talking to them they soon start a good friendship. Only the sectarians which are minimal got real hatred.
No one want a nation put its best interests aside. What I say is that, the best interest for United State and Americans now is to legalize the undocumented immigrants.
My perspective on the demographics of criminals in my community comes from my service in my municipality’s neighborhood watch and anti-crime committees, as well as the dealings that I’ve had with our local police department. From this, I was able to conclude that the sizable illegal immigrant population in my area is not committing a disproportionate amount of crime.You speak about how the illegal immigrants are no more likely than legal immigrants to be in a gang. How do you know. Are you an expert on gangs? Do you work on an anti-gang task force?
Actually, I also found that site when I was reading your previous post, but I discarded it due to lack of references.Just look at the link ByzCath put up. It shows how wrong you are in your statistics.
associatedcontent.com/article/305516/statistics_crimes_commited_by_illegal.html
If you can’t open it go to ByzCath’s post
Ok, another report.My perspective on the demographics of criminals in my community comes from my service in my municipality’s neighborhood watch and anti-crime committees, as well as the dealings that I’ve had with our local police department. From this, I was able to conclude that the sizable illegal immigrant population in my area is not committing a disproportionate amount of crime.
Actually, I also found that site when I was reading your previous post, but I discarded it due to lack of references.
I question the reliability of this statistic (that 30% of the prison population in the US is illegal immigrants) because it is not consistent with the racial statistics from the DOJ. A DHS study (dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf) reveals that about 90% of illegal immigrants in the US are from countries where the vast majority of the population would be identified as “Hispanic”. There aren’t nearly enough Hispanics in our prisons for the “30%” statistic to be true.
I found that the “30%” statistic was repeated in numerous sources, but none of them cite the specific study or report where it originated. The ultimate source of this percentage seems to be from a City Journal article dating back to the year 2000, but this article did not cite anything at all. Therefore, I conclude that the statistic is baseless.
Of course you would discount the 30% statistic because it doesn’t go along with your pre conceived notions. You state that “it seems” to eminate from a City Journal dating back to 2000. So it’s proof to you that it’s not true. Yet you take as gospel a study conducted in 1994 which states that it is mere estimates, not concrete facts, because those numbers suit you better.My perspective on the demographics of criminals in my community comes from my service in my municipality’s neighborhood watch and anti-crime committees, as well as the dealings that I’ve had with our local police department. From this, I was able to conclude that the sizable illegal immigrant population in my area is not committing a disproportionate amount of crime.
Actually, I also found that site when I was reading your previous post, but I discarded it due to lack of references.
I question the reliability of this statistic (that 30% of the prison population in the US is illegal immigrants) because it is not consistent with the racial statistics from the DOJ. A DHS study (dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf) reveals that about 90% of illegal immigrants in the US are from countries where the vast majority of the population would be identified as “Hispanic”. There aren’t nearly enough Hispanics in our prisons for the “30%” statistic to be true.
I found that the “30%” statistic was repeated in numerous sources, but none of them cite the specific study or report where it originated. The ultimate source of this percentage seems to be from a City Journal article dating back to the year 2000, but this article did not cite anything at all. Therefore, I conclude that the statistic is baseless.
Did you know that when statistics on race are taken in regards to crimes committed that it is catagorized by White, Black, Asian, and Unknown. More often then not Hispanics are put into the “Unknown” catagory because hispanics can be Black, White, or Asian in appearence. Even though the catagories of Black, White, and Asian sometimes have a subcatagory of “Hipanic Origen” it is not always noted. So you get a deflated count on Hispanics who listed as perpatrators or victims, and a deflated count of the number of Hispanics incarcerated.I question the reliability of this statistic (that 30% of the prison population in the US is illegal immigrants) because it is not consistent with the racial statistics from the DOJ. A DHS study (dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/illegal.pdf) reveals that about 90% of illegal immigrants in the US are from countries where the vast majority of the population would be identified as “Hispanic”. There aren’t nearly enough Hispanics in our prisons for the “30%” statistic to be true.
Did you know that when statistics on race are taken in regards to crimes committed that it is catagorized by White, Black, Asian, and Unknown. More often then not Hispanics are put into the “Unknown” catagory because hispanics can be Black, White, or Asian in appearence. Even though the catagories of Black, White, and Asian sometimes have a subcatagory of “Hipanic Origen” it is not always noted. So you get a deflated count on Hispanics who are listed as perpatrators or victims, and a deflated count of the number of Hispanics incarcerated.
As I quoted another thread. As the prison population population nationwide is more than 10 million people, it give us at least 3 million. Is not way that 25% of the 12 million of undocumented be part of this statistic. So someone need to look for a better fountain of information. A quick google search can bring you any kind of information you want not exactly a reasonable one.This is where racism comes in. Not every illegal alien is of Hispanic origin.
Not every person from Mexico or even Central or South America are of Hispanic origin. There are Native populations from those areas that would not be considered Hispanic.
But again, not every illegal alien comes from Mexico, Central, or South America.
Here is a link to the actual stastics.
Statistices: Crimes Commited by Illegal Aliens
As you can see, it says that the illegal aliens make up 30% of the prison population nationwide.
It also lists some interesting numbers for some states as well as crimes.
I must add that this was easy to find with a quick google search.
That someone is you. It’s 30% on those in prison are illegals. Not 30% of the illegals coming in are in prison.As I quoted another thread. As the prison population population nationwide is more than 10 million people, it give us at least 3 million. Is not way that 25% of the 12 million of undocumented be part of this statistic. So someone need to look for a better fountain of information. A quick google search can bring you any kind of information you want not exactly a reasonable one.