Can I Be Friends With A White Witch?

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Hi,

Me and my friends were out having dinner a few weeks ago and for some reason (Ihadn’t even thought it before) I blurted out and asked my friend if she was into witchcraft!

Then she said that she was heavily into witchcraft…but not black magic… and that it had all started in secondary school.
She went on to tell me about some spell which had won her a friend back involving planting an onion in the back garden lol.

Well I’ve resolved that I shouldn’t encourage it, although I am naturally curious when someone is different, but I’m not sure I’d like to have her in my house.

She’s a good person and we are friends but I’m a little bit unsure how seriously I should take the witchcraft. She assures me she’d never do bad magic as that would come back three times on her (kinda like karma) but I know that she reads spells most nights and does tarot cards and has dabbled in oija boards etc.

Actually now I see it in black and white it looks all so silly! But let me know what you think as it has been on my mind for a few weeks now.

Take care, S
 
My reaction to this, Abira:
  1. Consult your priest.
  2. Pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance.
  3. The fact that she clams to do only “white” witchcraft, means nothing. Almost certainly she’d claim that anyway, and her idea of “white” witchcraft may well include things you and I would call evil.
  4. The occult is evil anyway, even if someone gets into it with good intentions.
  5. Prayer is your armor and shield. Pray, pray, pray - especially when with her, and espcecially when in doubt about what to do.
 
IMHO the Holy Spirit was working in you life when you were compelled to ask the question of you friend.

The advise to speak with your Priest is a good one. He can help you understand why the Holy Spirit led you to ask the question.
 
I would pose this question. Is it safe to be around things that come from satan? I don’t mean to be offensive here at all. Just asking a very straight question. In scripture there is no reference whatsoever to a “good” witch or a “white” witch and the Bible is very very clear what God thinks of witchcraft. In ancient times the Israelites were given very direct commands about witches
“Exo 22:18 Wizards thou shalt not suffer to live”

"Deu 18:10 Neither let there be found among you … that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard,
Deu 18:11 Nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or that seeketh the truth from the dead.
Deu 18:12 For the Lord abhorreth all these things, and for these abominations he will destroy them at thy coming. "

“1Sa 28:6 And he consulted the Lord, and he answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by priests, nor by prophets.
1Sa 28:7 And Saul said to his servants: Seek me a woman that hath a divining spirit, and I will go to her, and enquire by her. And his servants said to him: There is a woman that hath a divining spirit at Endor.
1Sa 28:11 And the woman said to him: Whom shall I bring up to thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
1Sa 28:13 … I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
1Sa 28:14 And he said to her: What form is he of? And she said: An old man cometh up, and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul understood that it was Samuel, and he bowed himself with his face to the ground, and adored.
… God is departed from me, and would not hear me, neither by the hand of prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayst shew me what I shall do.
1Sa 28:16 And Samuel said: Why askest thou me, seeing the Lord has departed from thee, and is gone over to thy rival?”

Note when God left Saul because of the hardness of his heart he turned to satanic agencies. Sadly he died the next day.

"Mic 5:12 (5:11) And I will take away sorceries out of thy hand, and there shall be no divinations in thee.

In this next verse we see Paul calling a sorcerer a child of the devil.

"Act 13:8 But Elymas the magician (for so his name is interpreted) withstood them, seeking to turn away the proconsul from the faith.
Act 13:9 Then Saul, otherwise Paul, filled with the Holy Ghost, looking upon him,
Act 13:10 Said: O full of all guile and of all deceit, child of the devil, enemy of all justice, thou ceases not to pervert the right ways of the Lord. "
“Rev 21:8 But the fearful and unbelieving and the abominable and murderers and whoremongers and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

"Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life and may enter in by the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Without are dogs and sorcerers and unchaste and murderers and servers of idols and every one that loveth and maketh a lie. "

As we can see scripture is very clear what an abomination sorcery is to God. God is a God of love thankfully. However when we directly and willfully align ourselves on the side of satan God cannot overlook our rebellion. That is why any form of witchcraft is such an abomination from God. As we have seen in these verses witches and sorcerers ect. are choosing to follow satan.
I am in no way trying to belittle or attack your friend here. Maybe she doesn’t know this is in scripture. Maybe you could share it with her? The deceptions of the end time will become more rampant.

"2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall grow worse and worse: erring, and driving into error,
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in those things which thou hast learned and which have been committed to thee. Knowing of whom thou hast learned them:
2Ti 3:15 And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures which can instruct thee to salvation by the faith which is in Christ Jesus. "

We must stick to the Holy Scriptures which instruct us in salvation! and remember…
“1Pe 5:8 Be sober and watch: because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goeth about seeking whom he may devour.
1Pe 5:9 Whom resist ye, strong in faith…”
“2Co 11:14 And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light.”

I submit that this is what happens with “white” witchcraft

All one can do is present things to people and pray that the Holy Spirit works on their hearts. If they reject the Light then we must shake the dust off of our sandals. I would suggest presenting some of these verse to your friend in a very loving caring manner. If she rejects them I would get away as fast as I could. Otherwise you may be drawn into it by association with it. I will be praying for you and I sincerely hope that everthing works out well and the Holy Spirit leads you into all truth! God bless! 🙂
 
ok… I’ll maybe talk to my Vicar…

I tend to be quite independent when thinking things through but I seem to be a bit stuck with this one so I may have to ask advice.

The thing is I’m worried that the advice may be not to be friends and I’d feel a bit horrible about that as she may not understand and take it personally.

We’re in a threesome as friends with myself, a muslim and her and we often talk about religion and she listens… but is not interested in the idea of a God…but I don’t think it will have a negative effect on me in the long term… My other riend seemed shocked by the revelation too.

but your advice seems sound so I’ll follow it up. thanks.

S 🙂
 
All one can do is present things to people and pray that the Holy Spirit works on their hearts. If they reject the Light then we must shake the dust off of our sandals. I would suggest presenting some of these verse to your friend in a very loving caring manner. If she rejects them I would get away as fast as I could. Otherwise you may be drawn into it by association with it. I will be praying for you and I sincerely hope that everthing works out well and the Holy Spirit leads you into all truth! God bless! 🙂
It did occur to me that maybe she might learn something from us, but I don’t like to push gospel down peoples throats as it were…I’d rather lead by example but I take your point that we do discuss things with her that would never have entered into conversation otherwise.

S
 
Hi,

Me and my friends were out having dinner a few weeks ago and for some reason (Ihadn’t even thought it before) I blurted out and asked my friend if she was into witchcraft!

Then she said that she was heavily into witchcraft…but not black magic… and that it had all started in secondary school.
She went on to tell me about some spell which had won her a friend back involving planting an onion in the back garden lol.

Well I’ve resolved that I shouldn’t encourage it, although I am naturally curious when someone is different, but I’m not sure I’d like to have her in my house.

She’s a good person and we are friends but I’m a little bit unsure how seriously I should take the witchcraft. She assures me she’d never do bad magic as that would come back three times on her (kinda like karma) but I know that she reads spells most nights and does tarot cards and has dabbled in oija boards etc.

Actually now I see it in black and white it looks all so silly! But let me know what you think as it has been on my mind for a few weeks now.

Take care, S
Abira,

It is very possible that the lady you speak of is deceived, and thinks that what she is doing is okay, because she thinks it will not harm anyone.

It is very dangerous. I like this description I heard some time ago: It is like locking all the doors and windows in your house, and the thief is in the basement.

Get good advice from a knowledgable priest. I hope your friend will one day soon realize the darkness she is in.

Whenever the love of our Lord Jesus Christ, recognizing that He is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, and then obeying Him isn’t the first priority in a person’s life, we should sit up and take notice that something is wrong.

Peace and Prayers,

Dorothy
 
I agree we should not shove it down peoples throats but I also see Biblical precedence for not pulling any punches when telling the gospel truth in love of course. In acts 5 and acts 7 we see Peter and Steven each giving a sermon in each case the people were cut to the heart.
"Act 24:25 And as he treated of justice and chastity and of the judgment to come, Felix, being terrified, answered: For this time, go thy way: but when I have a convenient time, I will send for thee. "
Here we see Paul preaching boldly!

“Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual and more piercing than any two edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow: and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”

sometimes we need a soft approach sometimes we need a very bold and very direct approach to get peoples attention

“Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.”

"Act 5:29 But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God rather than men. "
God bless! 🙂
 
ok, i’ll talk to my vicar and then maybe have a chat with her about why I don’t send so much time with her

thanks. S
 
Then she said that she was heavily into witchcraft…but not black magic… and that it had all started in secondary school.
She went on to tell me about some spell which had won her a friend back involving planting an onion in the back garden lol.

She’s a good person and we are friends but I’m a little bit unsure how seriously I should take the witchcraft. She assures me she’d never do bad magic as that would come back three times on her (kinda like karma) but I know that she reads spells most nights and does tarot cards and has dabbled in oija boards etc.
Quite simply, there is no such thing as “white” witchcraft. It is all from the devil.

Spells, tarot cards and oija boards are all part of witchcraft - the only kind - “black” witchcraft. Run from it.
 
So one of your friends is Wiccan. What’s the big deal? :confused: It’s just another religion, and you’ve already got friends in other non-Catholic faiths, so why make a fuss over this one?
 
So one of your friends is Wiccan. What’s the big deal? :confused: It’s just another religion, and you’ve already got friends in other non-Catholic faiths, so why make a fuss over this one?
I think I’m fine with most major religions…but the part that makes me feel uncomfortable is that she does tarot, starsigns and has tried to contact spirits with boards and such.

but you’re mostly right…if it were not for these three things I would not have such an issue.

S
 
Hi,

She’s a good person and we are friends but I’m a little bit unsure how seriously I should take the witchcraft. She assures me she’d never do bad magic as that would come back three times on her (kinda like karma) but I know that she reads spells most nights and does tarot cards and has dabbled in oija boards etc.
“White witchraft” is just a silly marketing spin. Though you can distinguish a pagan from a witch from a satanist, they merge into each other. The witch worships “the horned God” or similar, but doesn’t admit that this is the same entity as the Christian devil, whilst Satanists tend to claim to be able to manipulate, not worship, demons, whom they do admit are the same as Christian evil spirits. It is a hair split, and the memberships tend to merge.

A few years ago I would have said there is no question. The problem is that now magical practises are so common that maybe we have to accept them, just as a hundred years ago you wouldn’t accept an invitation from a cohabiting couple, whilst now there is not much point taking that sort of stand.
 
I have met quite a few people into these things in my life, has anyone else found the same?

I don’t include starsigns as that’s miles too common to include.

S
 
I have met quite a few people into these things in my life, has anyone else found the same?

I don’t include starsigns as that’s miles too common to include.

S
I know a person who started using astrology (starsigns) and then branched out into a whole lot of other bad stuff. It is all “bait” used by the evil one. It takes our mind off of Jesus Christ as Lord.

Such occult interests are definitely out there, and there are many who need help. There are also those who left those practices and are now very strong Christians. They make excellent witnesses for the Lord.

Christians need to use their weapons…and Catholic Christians especially. We have the power of the Sacraments, if we receive them with a prayerrul disposition.

Prayer is a necessity for the Sacraments to be effective!
 
Scripture condemns starsigns also
“Deu 18:10 Neither let there be found among you any one that shall expiate his son or daughter, making them to pass through the fire: or that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard,
Deu 18:11 Nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or that seeketh the truth from the dead.”

That is what verse 18 is referring to as “omens” God bless 🙂
 
what can I say to her when she says that I ought not to have a problem with reading starsigns because of the whole, wise men following a star thing?

I’ve explained it the best way I can but I think it’s a case of her being closed to ideas. She still sees it as a parrallel despite me telling her that it’s a prophecy and not astrology in the sense that she means it.

S
 
Here are a few good articles to read on the subject,

catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0007fea4.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0305bt.asp

I think this might be helpfull too:

"Q: I am beginning to doubt my faith, because it seems that certain words need to be said, and certain actions taken in the sacraments. Forgive me for saying this, but for the first time in my life, I am wondering how this is different than witchcraft (incantations, et cetera).

A: The central difference between magic and grace is that magic is meant to draw upon forces resident in nature or in the supernatural world other than God. By contrast, grace comes from God.

Magic also frequently involves the idea that the effect takes because of the operation of natural or supernatural laws. Grace takes place because of God’s choice.

God may give a promise that he will do something in response to our actions, and this may mean that the effect will occur in a regular way. However, it is still because of God’s choice, not because it is compelled to happen by natural law.

This is the case in the sacraments. God has promised to give his grace when we approach him in the sacraments, but it is still his operation, not ours, that is important in the sacraments. Our actions in the sacraments do not compel him to act. It is his gracious initiative that brings us to the sacraments and that then blesses us as we partake of them.

God has prescribed for us certain actions to do in the sacraments; among them the saying of certain words. However, these are not magical formulae that we repeat and that take their effect on their own.

First, there is flexibility in the words that can be used (though there has to be some uniformity or else one couldn’t tell one sacrament from another). Different rites of the Church use slightly different wordings, though as long as the central idea of the sacrament is expressed, it will be valid.

The limitation in a given rite to a single formula is for pastoral reasons, not because the formula magically compels God to do something. Our words do not compel him. We are merely approaching him in the sacraments, asking that in his mercy and by his faithfulness he will fulfill the promise he has given to bestow his grace upon us. As long as we approach him on his terms rather than ours, he will.

This is not magic. It is appealing to God’s mercy and faithfulness. That is very different than ordering the forces of nature or bound spirits to do something for you."
 
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