Can I defend other religions if I post in the Other Religions section?

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OrbisNonSufficit said:
Yes, but while you consider yourself Christian, many do. I am not saying you shouldn’t consider yourself Christian, but I personally, and hence relevant to no one else unless they deem it to be , find that very unhelpful because I am not even sure if you are or are not Trinitarian, if sacraments you partake in are viewed valid by our Church, or what are your beliefs. While it does make things a bit harder for some people, it isn’t really mandated by anyone nor anything to even include religion in the profile, so that’s all fine. It is just quite a bit more helpful to include your denomination if you are stating your beliefs, as it’s more specific than specifying the religion itself.
If I am debating with Catholic, it is alright to use Church documents in a debate.
If I am debating with Eastern Orthodox, it is alright to use first 7 Ecumenical Councils.
If I am debating with Oriental Orthodox, Councils after Chalcedon hold no authority.
If I am debating with Protestant, Scripture and theology are only main points I should be making.
If I am debating with Mormon or someone with similar beliefs, it is not helpful to use Trinity in my reasoning.
If I am debating with Christian… I can not be sure what I can and can not use.
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You go into people’s profiles?
OrbisNonSufficit said:
What Protestants have in common according to Catholic Church is that their sacraments are invalid,
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Well, actually that’s not true. The Church teaches that at least our baptism and marriage are indeed valid sacraments… But not every form of Protestant (see LDS on baptism), see what I mean now?
OrbisNonSufficit said:
In the same way, Protestant Christian does not necessarily mean one is Protesting against something
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Um…that’s exactly what it means…it literally has the word protest in it “protest-ant”.
 
No idea why you’d think I was offended. I thought my post was clear and direct and very detailed as to precisely why this label isn’t a valid one for purposes of identifying your beliefs to other Christians. If you say that to a Muslim, fine. It makes little sense to tell other Christians “I’m a Christian” in the context we’re discussing. The label is a non-label.
 
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TC3033 said:
You go into people’s profiles?
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I mouse over the profile pic to check religion, so I know what does hold water to those people and what does not… of course that’s only when I feel it is necessary. I don’t check everyone
TC3033 said:
Well, actually that’s not true. The Church teaches that at least our baptism and marriage are indeed valid sacraments…
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Yes, but those sacraments are not “their” (/yours) by definition… it’s somewhat complicated but sure, let’s say I meant that priesthood is invalid.
TC3033 said:
But not every form of Protestant (see LDS on baptism), see what I mean now?
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I don’t think LDS are considered Protestants, but you just proved my point a bit further.
TC3033 said:
Um…that’s exactly what it means…it literally has the word protest in it “protest-ant”.
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And Catholic means universal… it has literally word “catholic” which means universal in it. That logic does not stand.
Hamster literally means “animal made of ham”… it literally has the word “ham” in it 😛
Rubee said:
The label is a non-label.
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I generally agree, but I wouldn’t go as far. Forums are full of atheists or people of different religions too, so knowing someone is Christian is relevant on abortion debate for example, but hardly relevant on topics concerning Churches or denominations.
 
TC3033 said:
Um…that’s exactly what it means…it literally has the word protest in it “protest-ant”.
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If you ascribe to the beliefs that came from that ‘protest’, you’re a protestant. I asked you about them: Canon of Scripture, Rule of Faith, Salvation, Church. You did not respond. Protestant identifies your set of basic beliefs; it’s not about you protesting anything. The name is a historical accident based on a protest.
 
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OrbisNonSufficit said:
I don’t think LDS are considered Protestants, but you just proved my point a bit further.
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Sure they are, so how would that prove your point further.
OrbisNonSufficit said:
And Catholic means universal… it has literally word “catholic” which means universal in it. That logic does not stand.
Hamster literally means “animal made of ham”… it literally has the word “ham” in it 😛
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OK, since you’re going to be facetious now… The word protestant literally comes from “to protest” or “protesting” and has its origins during the beginning of the reformation.
 
TC3033 said:
Sure they are, so how would that prove your point further.
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I’m pretty sure our church does not consider Mormons Christian at all. It may have protestant origins but the LDS is not a ‘protestant church’ by any means.
 
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So you don’t want to state whether or not you ascribe to protestant beliefs? I don’t see why.
 
What’s “protestant beliefs”? Just up thread I was told that protestant isn’t universal, and nobody here believes that?
 
I asked you clear, specific questions in two posts, but if you’re not interested in actually having a conversation, I’m ok with that too. I’ll just assume you’re protestant because it’s more reasonable to think if you did not ascribe to those beliefs you’d protest right here 😉 😁 to prove your point, instead of avoiding the questions.
 
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Protest what? I’m a non-Catholic Christian, born and raised as such.

I’m not protesting anything, but living the faith handed down to me… 😄 😉
 
TC3033 said:
OK, since you’re going to be facetious now… The word protestant literally comes from “to protest” or “protesting” and has its origins during the beginning of the reformation.
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I apologize for being facetious. I was trying to prove a point with catholic == universal before, but you didnt get it. I thought I might be more successful with hamster, but honestly I get that it isn’t even derived from same word.
Yes, it comes from word “protest” but has over the centuries really came to mean something else. It is used to encompass set of denominations. No one using it today is saying those people are physically protesting or anything like that. You could refer to them as Post-Reformation Christians and it would have same meaning.

In my country we have a greeting that would be transliterated to “ahoy”. It is derived from latin phrase meaning “to the honor of Jesus”. However, almost no one really knows this and it is definitely not used in that way anymore… atheists use it, muslims use it… and historically I am under impression that even pirates used it, and they surely did not mean to refer to original phrase. So that’s something similar.
 
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TC3033 said:
Really? There are posters on here all that time that do. Heck, I even think one poster in this thread is trying to. 🤔 🤷‍♂️
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Being Protestant is something different than physically protesting against Church. It means belonging to denominations that were born out of Reformation, in wider context. Yes, in exact use of the term it refers to denominations that were indeed Protesting, but that is not how it’s used nowadays in daily language.
 
@OddBird raised the following points elsewhere. At the time of the Reformation, the verb ‘protest’ in English primarily meant ‘to affirm, to witness, to testify’ rather than ‘to dissent’ (as we would now consider it). This was also the case for German and other languages which derived cognate words from the Latin protestari (in itself analogous in meaning to the Greek μάρτυρος marturos whence comes the English ‘martyr’).

In the context of the Reformation, Protestant did not primarily mean ‘a person who dissents from the Catholic Church’. Instead it referred to those who affirmed various Reformation doctrines and confessions. More narrowly, it applied to those Germans who affirmed the First Diet of Speyers and rejected the Second.

As another example, the well-known line ‘the lady doth protest too much, methinks’ from Shakespeare’s Hamlet. Here the verb ‘protest’ means ‘protestations or affirmations of love’.
 
TC3033 said:
Eh, maybe for some. I’ve seen and heard it used exactly how I’m explaining it.
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Well, that explains why we didnt get each other 😃 did you really see it used as to describe someone actually protesting against Catholic Church? Interesting.
 
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