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kbwall
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I know virtually nothing about them except that they exist. Basically, I would just like to know how are they similar to/different from the Roman Catholics?
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lssanjose
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Thank God, for the Internet. There are plenty of resources, there. I’d recommend St. Elias’s website, it gives a rather descriptive picture behind what’s done during a Divine Liturgy, and why. I’d also recommend some of the videos on stnickbyz YouTube page. It has literally 500 videos on itself, and other people who provided content.
A real crash course would be going to Divine Liturgy. You’d also have to look at the different types of Eastern Catholics. The most common one, here in the U.S. is the Byzantine rite Eastern Catholics. If you can find one, in the vicinity of where you work, or live, then just start going to their Divine Liturgy, and merely observe. I think one of the worse things new people can do is, trying to follow along. But, if you need that preset conditions, then go early. Read the main book on the Divine Liturgies of St. John Chrysostom, and Basil the great, the church provides. It’ll provide directions, based on the day, and what feast is taking place that day. This is, at least, from my perspective in a Ruthenian parish I’ve been going to for a little over a month.
Another thing you can check out is listening to content on Ancient Faith Radio. Yes, it’s an Orthodox flagship of sorts, if I can call it that. But, if you’re looking at the Byzantine rite, especially, it would be a good way to get into the weeds of Byzantine tradition, as they sprang from Orthodoxy.
Not to mention, don’t hesitate to pick the brains of those, here, who’ve lived the tradition for a good period of time, and continue to live it.
A real crash course would be going to Divine Liturgy. You’d also have to look at the different types of Eastern Catholics. The most common one, here in the U.S. is the Byzantine rite Eastern Catholics. If you can find one, in the vicinity of where you work, or live, then just start going to their Divine Liturgy, and merely observe. I think one of the worse things new people can do is, trying to follow along. But, if you need that preset conditions, then go early. Read the main book on the Divine Liturgies of St. John Chrysostom, and Basil the great, the church provides. It’ll provide directions, based on the day, and what feast is taking place that day. This is, at least, from my perspective in a Ruthenian parish I’ve been going to for a little over a month.
Another thing you can check out is listening to content on Ancient Faith Radio. Yes, it’s an Orthodox flagship of sorts, if I can call it that. But, if you’re looking at the Byzantine rite, especially, it would be a good way to get into the weeds of Byzantine tradition, as they sprang from Orthodoxy.
Not to mention, don’t hesitate to pick the brains of those, here, who’ve lived the tradition for a good period of time, and continue to live it.
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Vico
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Canon 17
The Christian faithful have the right to worship God according to the prescriptions of their own Church sui iuris, and to follow their own form of spiritual life consonant with the teaching of the Church.
Canon 27
A group of Christian faithful united by a hierarchy according to the norm of law which the supreme authority of the Church expressly or tacitly recognizes as sui iuris is called in this Code a Church sui iuris.
Canon 28
- A rite is the liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony, culture and circumstances of history of a distinct people, by which its own manner of living the faith is manifested in each Church sui iuris.
- The rites treated in this code, unless otherwise stated, are those which arise from the Alexandrian, Antiochene, Armenian, Chaldean and Constantinopolitan traditions.
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lssanjose
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Thanks! It means something, to me, because I’ve learned quite a bit, just by paying attention to the words, invocations, throughout Divine Liturgy. Words coming to mind, as I think about them, with respect to Divine Liturgy: “Wisdom!” “Let us be attentive.” “That we mystically represent the cherubim.”
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5Loaves
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You might take a listen to Fr Hopko’s podcasts Worship in Spirit and Truth on Ancient Faith Radio. He’s now on episode 36 which is “Part 2 Great Litany”. Moving right along, LOL. I listened to the 7 episodes on “Vesting for Liturgy” first and got so hooked by them that I went back to episode 1 and have moved through all the episodes now, waiting for the next one to get uploaded.
Ever since I discovered I can download the AFR podcasts onto my smart phone and listen to them without being tethered to the computer it’s not so hard to listen to a series this long.
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lssanjose
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I’ll definitely look into that series, as I’m already a huge fan of his podcasts.You might take a listen to Fr Hopko’s podcasts Worship in Spirit and Truth on Ancient Faith Radio. He’s now on episode 36 which is “Part 2 Great Litany”. Moving right along, LOL. I listened to the 7 episodes on “Vesting for Liturgy” first and got so hooked by them that I went back to episode 1 and have moved through all the episodes now, waiting for the next one to get uploaded.
Ever since I discovered I can download the AFR podcasts onto my smart phone and listen to them without being tethered to the computer it’s not so hard to listen to a series this long.
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5Loaves
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“Who are Eastern Catholics?” PART 1 and Part 2 with Fr. Maximos of Holy Resurrection Monastery
Eastern Catholic Theology PART 1 and Part 2 with Fr. Abbot Nicholas
Feasting in the Byzantine Church Year with Fr. Moses
Fasting in the Byzantine Church Year with Fr. Moses
You can click on “Show More” to see what questions are asked and answered in each section.
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Diak
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“Eastern Catholics in the USA” - usccbpublishing.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=163
Also Fr. George Appleyard’s “Light of the East” is still available on Amazon amazon.com/Light-East-Eastern-Catholicism-Catholics/dp/B0006RL9KC Fr. George wrote that book specifically for Latins in RCIA programs who had essentially no experience or knowledge of the Eastern Catholics. There is also a publication in the Knights of Columbus *Veritas *series at kofc.org/un/en/resources/cis/cis342.pdf I also can send the older version of the Veritas series on the Eastern Catholics written by (Emeritus) Kyr +Basil Losten that is now out of print but you can still get as pdf.
Also Fr. George Appleyard’s “Light of the East” is still available on Amazon amazon.com/Light-East-Eastern-Catholicism-Catholics/dp/B0006RL9KC Fr. George wrote that book specifically for Latins in RCIA programs who had essentially no experience or knowledge of the Eastern Catholics. There is also a publication in the Knights of Columbus *Veritas *series at kofc.org/un/en/resources/cis/cis342.pdf I also can send the older version of the Veritas series on the Eastern Catholics written by (Emeritus) Kyr +Basil Losten that is now out of print but you can still get as pdf.
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ByzCathCantor
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There are a few good, short videos on the Eastern Christian Media website.
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TomKocherry
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As some other friends suggested, it will be worth your while to start learning about the Eastern Rites, first by going to their liturgical celebrations. There are 22 different Eastern Churches, within the Catholic fold, not counting our Orthodox sister Churches. While the Roman Catholic Church is rooted on Latin traditions, the Eastern Churches have different Traditional backgrounds, every one of them being Apostolic and True. There are two major categories of Eastern Churches: ie. The Greek or Byzentine Tradition and the Syriac or the Aramaic Tradition. I happen to belong to the largest Syriac group, which has come to be called the Syro Malabar Church. I will be glad to share with you particularly about the Syro Malabar Church. You can write to Syromalabar@hotmail.com if you want to follow up. God bless you. Mar Walah! (My Lord, My God!)
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lssanjose
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Nice to see other Eastern Brethren!
Lately, through the generosity of Father Frank, of St. Irene’s, I’ve been given two books by Reverend Kucharek, one of them being the Byzantine Catechism for Adults (nice, smooth read. I’m close to half way done, after reading it, yesterday); and the other the Byzantine perspective the Sacraments.
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onthisrock
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I attended the Latin rite ordination of my now husband’s best friend. In the front row with his father and brother etc… was a priest dressed very different. I asked about him and my huband said that he was Russian Greek. One of the Eastern rite Churches. I was interested. I also at the time did not know that there were 22 rites in line with Rome! so, What did I do? I went to a Byzantine Church about 15-20 minutes away. It is so easy to get to. It was exactly what I wanted and needed in a parish. They are VERY traditional. the first sacrements all held at the same moment is baptism(full emersion), conformation, and first communion. (communion is just a drop on the tounge of the precious blood) there is too much too explain. but basically, I wanted traditionalism, but strong fellowship. After Mass the priests (no Eucharistic ministers ever as far as I know) and all the parishioners…some 70 people, go to the parish center and meet up for donuts, coffee and tea etc. I called and said I was interested in becoming a parisioner. He said, “OK, when can you come over and speak with me?” To this point…three years after marriage, I have finally found a church where the priest wants to know about me, what drew me there etc. He took me to their gift shop and he just said give me the money when you can. My priest at the churches I have tried, no matter how long I would stay, months to a year+ never knew my name. Plus There was no fellowship. there were a group who took the priest hostage while the rest of the huge congregations would be beeping at each other and pushing each other to get to their cars. What I liked about the priest is he said…come for a litergical year, or several months and see if you still like it as many get very facinated in the beginnig and don’t really stay. Then he said that after the time had passed, I would be in an adult catechises class to learn more about Eastern Rite Churches You should really try to find one if you can that is relatively close…you may have to drive far. Along with the Byzantine there is Russian Greek, Melkite, and Chaldean. I’m going to a Byzantine, and really love it so much. There are books Such as Light of the East, A Guide to Eastern Catholicism For Western Catholics, and"To the Ends of The Earth. Check those two out
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ByzCathCantor
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I see you are from Southern CA, so it is possible you might be going to Fr. Pipta’s church (Holy Angels). If so, I can fully appreciate the attraction.
We are a close knit community, but welcome all.
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lssanjose
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Thanks, for sharing this, sister onthisrock.I attended the Latin rite ordination of my now husband’s best friend. In the front row with his father and brother etc… was a priest dressed very different. I asked about him and my huband said that he was Russian Greek. One of the Eastern rite Churches. I was interested. I also at the time did not know that there were 22 rites in line with Rome! so, What did I do? I went to a Byzantine Church about 15-20 minutes away. It is so easy to get to. It was exactly what I wanted and needed in a parish. They are VERY traditional. the first sacrements all held at the same moment is baptism(full emersion), conformation, and first communion. (communion is just a drop on the tounge of the precious blood) there is too much too explain. but basically, I wanted traditionalism, but strong fellowship. After Mass the priests (no Eucharistic ministers ever as far as I know) and all the parishioners…some 70 people, go to the parish center and meet up for donuts, coffee and tea etc. I called and said I was interested in becoming a parisioner. He said, “OK, when can you come over and speak with me?” To this point…three years after marriage, I have finally found a church where the priest wants to know about me, what drew me there etc. He took me to their gift shop and he just said give me the money when you can. My priest at the churches I have tried, no matter how long I would stay, months to a year+ never knew my name. Plus There was no fellowship. there were a group who took the priest hostage while the rest of the huge congregations would be beeping at each other and pushing each other to get to their cars. What I liked about the priest is he said…come for a litergical year, or several months and see if you still like it as many get very facinated in the beginnig and don’t really stay. Then he said that after the time had passed, I would be in an adult catechises class to learn more about Eastern Rite Churches You should really try to find one if you can that is relatively close…you may have to drive far. Along with the Byzantine there is Russian Greek, Melkite, and Chaldean. I’m going to a Byzantine, and really love it so much. There are books Such as Light of the East, A Guide to Eastern Catholicism For Western Catholics, and"To the Ends of The Earth. Check those two out
I was told about living the liturgical year, also. It’s something I’m trying to do, to the best of my ability (and I’m learning I can save some $$ in the process). I was also warned about fizzing out, over time. I think this is why, when it came to my situation, the vocational director (Fr Pipta of Holy Angels in San Diego, CA) said I had to be in the tradition for five years, with a canonical transfer, in the middle. I totally understand the reason for such a requirement. It’s easy to fall in love, “marry” yourself to the tradition, then the honeymoon, then just fizzle out. I can totally see that happening.
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