Can I get some help with these questions

[greggy53]

You seem sincere, please take no offense to the following:

Let me ask you these questions and see where it takes you.

What is the Bible (basically)?
Who called for its formation?
By whom was it compiled and initially translated as the Bible?
Who determined the canons?
What was the intended use of the Bible?
Why was the Bible introduced?

If you know the answers to these questions then you have some basics as a foundation to grow from.

My questions were directed in response to some silly nonsense posted by an SDA who began this thread.

Basically? The books that form what we call the Bible are the written word of God.
The rest of your questions are pretty much one question.

The scriptures we know as the Old Testament were writen by ancient Hebrews.Along with it the writings that we call the New Testament were organized into the cannon in the year 387 AD at the council of Rome. St Jerome translated the original Geek and Hebrew texts in to the Latin Vulgate around the same time period.
The holy scriptures as the inspired word of God were given to the Church so that we might know God, and his will for us. .
Did I pass your muster?

 

[jmcrae]

where did you come to know if this God that you follow? i have news for you. that Book as you call it, is what Gives God his authority.

WHAT!!!

No - the Bible does not “give God His authority.” That God created all that is seen and unseen is what gives God His authority. God had authority before there was ever a Bible, and even before the writings that it includes were ever written down.

The Bible is the record of the human Covenant with God - how it came to be, the things that occurred that made it what it is today, and the stories of the holy men and women who directly influenced the way that we understand and relate to God under the New Covenant of Jesus Christ.

It only tells what was done - it does not tell what has to be done. That’s what God created the Church for. God gave the Bible to the Church by means of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and it is the Church who is the custodian of the Bible.

The Bible didn’t fall out of the sky one day, and even if it had, it would be God who gave us the Bible; not the Bible that gave us God.

 

[twb1621]

My questions were directed in response to some silly nonsense posted by an SDA who began this thread.

Basically? The books that form what we call the Bible are the written word of God.
The rest of your questions are pretty much one question.

The scriptures we know as the Old Testament were written by ancient Hebrews.Along with it the writings that we call the New Testament were organized into the cannon in the year 387 AD at the council of Rome. St Jerome translated the original Geek and Hebrew texts in to the Latin Vulgate around the same time period.
The holy scriptures as the inspired word of God were given to the Church so that we might know God, and his will for us. .
Did I pass your muster?

Although I can appreciate your enthusiasm, Actually, No you didn’t… that is unless you go by two identities. unfortunately my questions were not addressed to you. And no, the rest of my questions were not “pretty much one question”. There was a purpose to them in regard to the person they were directed to dnelson001. But again, I can appreciate your enthusiasm my brother. God’s peace. By the way, your answers were certainly close enough to be Catholic.

 

[dnelson001]

Come on SDA, you don’t to have confer with your leaders over these two simple questions do you?

actually i have to confirm my leader. but it is not who you think. my leader and teacher is Jesus. questions like these are deeper than you know. like i said i study every thing that i present. i hope you are not the kind of person that believe anything someone tells you with out question.
i have spent these few days researching and studying my answer. you see i found a problem with the starts in the crown that just did not fit. I always though I knew what the starts was but after much study and to my amazement i found out that I was mistaken. and i’m sure you are as well. this is exactly why i don’t believe anything anyone tells me until i study it for my self to see if it is so.
I don’t go by what my preacher tells me unless i an verify it by the word. i have herd many of our preachers say things that is not in conformity with the bible and i have told the about it. they are not my guide, Jesus is my guide and what he says goes. no preacher or teacher can over ride the bible. furthermore must preachers don’t even know what they believe. it is a shame i know but it is the truth. I study for my self, you may trust someone else with your salvation but i don’t.
please be patient. i will try to finish it tonight. i hope you have your explanation ready and well though through.
i hope you are looking into your answers as well because i will be picking it to peaces. to see if they can bare the light of day.
what i will present to you is logical, reasonable, understandable and simple. you will not need to go to ask the priest, bishop or pope what it means.
so please take your time and go over your answer.

God bless and keep you.

 

[dnelson001]

These are very good questions. I just want to state that i’m not a theologian but God has given me a thinking mind. I will do my best to clarify these questions for you. May God help us with our understanding of his word, may it all come clear to us.
well here goes:

To the SDA: InS t John’s Apocalypse when St John says: 1: 10 I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

What day of the week was this, and how do you know what day it is?

Isaiah 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, Honorable; and shall honor him, not doing dine own ways, nor finding dine own pleasure, nor speaking dine own words.

I give you my text stating what day is the Lord’s Day. Now you give me yours please.
As you can see, this is what the bible says, not what i interpret it to say or what i think it says.

Again in St John’s Apocalypse chapter 12.1,2 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.

Who, or what do the woman, the child, the dragon represent?
We will start with these and see if it is worth going from here.

This is prophecy at its finest, we have to have a good understanding of what the bible say it is. Every thing that is in the Bible can perfectly and accurately be decipher with the bible itself. It would not make any sense for God to give us a prophecy that his word cannot explain.
Well here goes:
This text is loaded with symbols, all of which have a meaning. if we understand what each symbol mean then we will be able to put it all together for the big picture.
So we will see what the bible defines each symbol to be. This is not me assuming anything. This is plain English from the bible. Also you missed a few symbols in your question.
I will paraphrase the text to save time. Please look them up in your bibles. I use KJV because all the other bibles are flowed. NIV and the NRV have hundreds of verses that have been modified and a bunch load that have just completely been deleted.
If you don’t believe me try to find mat. 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44; 9:46 and the list goes on.
There is a conspiracy against God’s word. If you want to find something interesting, investigate who was behind the NIV and the NRV. So I recommend you use the KJV, it is best to get an old version. 1980 or older.

woman: is a pure church; (people makes up the church)

• Jeremiah 6:2 Zion is likened to a delicate and comely woman.
• Isaiah 51:16 and say unto Zion, thou art my people
• 2 Corinthians 11:2 for i have espoused you to one husband, that i may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
• Ephesians 5: 22-35

sun: is Jesus and the Gospel

• John 9:5 Jesus is the light
• Psalm 84:11 God is a sun and shield.
• Malachi 4:2 Jesus is the sun of righteousness
• Matt 17:2 Jesus face shine as the sun and his raiment was as white as snow.
• John 8:12 Jesus is the light of the world.

Moon: Permanence, mosses system of types and sacrifice
-permanence Psalm 89:35-37 it will stay for ever as a witness
-Hebrew 10:1, 11 Moses system of types an sacrifice. We know that the moon does not have light of her own. She can only reflect the light from the sun. The same way the sacrificial system reflected the light that was to come. It was a shadow of the real sacrifice of Jesus. After Jesus that system was useless and unnecessary.

crown: Kingship, Victory

• 1 chronicles 20:2
• 2 kings 11:12
• Ezekiel 21:26, 27
• James 1:12
• 2 timothy 4:7,8
• 1 Corinthians 9:25

stars: Angels, sons of God (human being), but in this case it is referring to the 12 tribes of the covenant of Israel.

• Revelations 1:16, 20 stars are angels
• 1 Corinthians 15:41-42 for one star is different from another in glory. (this will depend on the souls won to Christ and the purity of life achieved on earth for Jesus glory)
• Deuteronomy 1:10
• Isaiah 14:13 the starts of God are his subjects. we are his stars here on earth if we obey him. we reflects the light that comes from him. the closer we get to God the brighter we shines. we are the light of the world.

Man child: is Jesus Christ
John 20:17 I ascend to my father and your father.
Revelations 12: 5, child was caught up to heaven.
Psalm 2:7-9 rules with a rod of iron

dragon: Satan, the devil, the serpent.

• Isaiah 27:1
• Psalm 74:13,14
• Revelations 12:7-9
• Ezekiel 29:3
• Jeremiah 51:34

horns: power and strength, king or kingdom
-power and strength:
–deut. 33:17
–Zechariah 1:18, 19
-king or kingdom:
–Psalm 89:17, 24
–Daniel 8:5, 21, 22

Heads: major power, rulers, governments
-Daniel 7:6 four heads has dominions
-Daniel 8:8, 22 the first horn was very strong but the last four horns of that nation was weaker than the first big horn. Note that these four horns represent the 4 heads of Daniel 7:6, all is added was the first great king. While Daniel 7 focuses on all the world governments from Babylon until the second coming of Jesus; Daniel 8 focuses on the destruction and reestablishment of the sanctuary doctrine or service. It does not start with Babylon; it starts with medo-Persia and then Greece. You may note as well that the 2 beast are sacrificial animal in Daniel 8. This is exciting stuff but I will stop here. That is a different topic.
-revelation 17:3, 9, 10 heads are mountains (mountain are political and/or religious powers: Isaiah 2:2, 3; Jeremiah 51:24,25)

Beast: kingdom, government, political power. (the dragon is also represented as a best)
-Daniel 7:23 the forth beast is the forth kingdom on the earth.
-revelation 13:1: this is the same dragon power of revelation 12:3 as you can see. The dragon represents Satan, and all the beast together of Daniel 7 represents the dragon power in revelation 13:1, 2. as you can see all the beast put together in one package makes up the dragon power or at least an image of the first dragon.

Ok now that we know what every thing pertaining to this text mean we can begin.

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[dnelson001]

These are very good questions. I just want to state that i’m not a theologian but God has given me a thinking mind. I will do my best to clarify these questions for you. May God help us with our understanding of his word, may it all come clear to us.
well here goes:

Who, or what do the woman, the child, the dragon represent?

This pure woman is the true church. The church is not an organization or a system in the true sense. The church is individual peoples that follow Gods commandments. Revelations 14:12, 13. They are who makes up his church.
And if you notice that Gods people are being killed by that impure woman of revelation 17: 3-5 that is called Babylon. She also uses some familiar colors.
Also notice that there are only 2 women. “One pure and one impure”.
If a woman represents a church and we are talking about the last days of earth history just before Jesus comes back, then where are the thousands of churches/denominations that exist today? This is were I made my mistake right? Oops. Wrong again.
There is a church that is uniting all the deferent religions of the world. She claims that she is the true church and all churches are under her. All her children that came out from her are slowly returning back to their mother. She will not suffer the loss of any children Isaiah 47:8. read this chapter and revelations 17 to see if it is not referring to the same system.
To make things short: the woman is God’s true people that follow his commandments, all of them.

Who is the child?
Jesus Christ is the man child according to John 20:17.

Who is the dragon?
Satan is the dragon Revelation 12:9

Now please permit me to give you the bible interpretation of the entire chapter of Revelation 12. I will just put the number of the verse and explain it from the bible’s clearly revealed word.

1. Jesus was born a product of the old covenant, which was made with the 12 sons off Jacob (Israel) Genesis 49:10.
   This woman is not the church of the New Testament but of the old. She is shining as the sun because she has within her the sun of righteousness. The light is not her own, it comes from the child she is carrying inside her.
   The woman stands on the moon, this is very important. The moon is the foundation on which the woman is standing. The foundation of the Old Testament church was the sacrificial service. The noon does not have light of its own; it reflects the light it received from the sun. Jesus is the sun of righteousness. In the night we bet the light from the moon but when day comes there is no need of it.
   The crown is a crow of victory; the Devil did all in his power to prevent the man child from coming into the world. But the woman was victorious over the dragon.
   The stars are the 12 tribes of Israel not the 12 disciples. This is why I took so long to answer the question. I always though that it was the 12 disciples. That is what I was though, and it sounded reasonable. This is why we should look into things our self instead of sitting with our mouth open waiting for someone to feed us anything they want without checking to see what it is we are eating.
   If you use the disciples the whole thing comes apart and you are left with a big confusion at the end of a dead end.
   Let me explain how I came to this understanding of the text:
   The starts are in the crown before the man child born not after. For it to be the disciples they would have had to come around after the child was burn, not before.
   If you use the 12 tribes then you can understand what the sun, moon, crown and starts.
   If you use the disciples then you have mayor problems. One of the biggest one is the moon. It will not fit nowhere unless you make something up. And I was not about to take that rout with you. That would be deceitful and dishonest. I would be trying to make it say what I wanted it to say.
2. The dragon was trying to destroy any minds by witch the Messiah could come. The church was attacked and bombarded with any and every thing that the devil could imagine. Just so you know just how bad the condition of God’s Old Testament church was.
   The birth of the Messiah was not meant to be secret. They had the place of his berth, the circumstance of his birth, the day of his birth. But when he came no one knew it.
   How do I know this? The wise men had the same prophecy that the Jews had. The deference was that they were studying for themselves.
   After Herod asked the jews about the time that the messiah was to come they told him the place and time that he was to come. So you see, they knew but they had better things to do. Did they go to look for him? No. Jesus came at the time appointed for him to come.
3. The dragon is Satan. But his agent was the Roman Empire. It was the fourth beast.
   The bible says that for us to understand the bible we need to put line upon line and precept upon precept. Here a bit and there a bit. When we do that it all becomes focus and clear.
   In order for us to get a clear picture of what revelation showing us we also need to study Daniel. Every thing that is in Daniel is in revelation but with more detail.
   The beast of revelation 13:1 is an image to the dragon power in revelation 12:3; this is the Roman Empire in which Jesus was born. The dragon power or the Roman power tried to kill the child as soon as it was born.
   The Bible predicted all the world powers that should exist from the time of Babylon until the second coming of Jesus in the clouds of heaven. This is why I believe the bible rather than anything or anyone. You see the bible predictions do not stop with the birth of Jesus; it goes to the second coming. We are till living in time predicted by the bible, it has not fail yet and these predictions are thousands of years in advance.
   The world powers that the bible predicted would rule the world are: Babylon, Mede Persia, Greece, Pagan Rome, Papal Rome, America, Jesus second coming.
   So if you are thinking that America is going to fall to some other country you are mistaken.
   100% of every thing that the bible said would happen has happen and exactly the way it said it would happen. It even tells us how long papal Rome would rule.
   America has not done all that the bible says she will do yet but according to prophecy by 2013 she should have every thing in place.

I must thank you for asking this question. The Lord has opened my mind to yet another truth.
Well, well I will wait on your reply and answer as to what to you think it main.
Ok I will have to end it here, it is almost 2 AM and I have to get up early tomorrow.
If you would like to know what the rest of the chapter main from the bible interpretation let me know. I say that because maybe you are not interested.
Every thing I said here tonight is logical, simple, understandable and clear.

May God bless and keep you ever coming to the knowledge of him

Ps. i will be waiting on your reply and your interpretation of the txt

 

[twb1621]

These are very good questions. I just want to state that i’m not a theologian but God has given me a thinking mind. I will do my best to clarify these questions for you. May God help us with our understanding of his word, may it all come clear to us.
well here goes:

Ok now that we know what every thing pertaining to this text mean we can begin.

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Unfortunately you are trying to perform astrophysics with knowledge only in algebra. It would be wise that before you go attempting to interpret Revelations you learn the truth regarding the Bible and the True Church as well.

Source; Latin Vulgate
**Is private interpretation of the Bible condoned in the Bible Itself? No, it is not (2 Peter 1:16-20). **
16 For we (the apostles and teachers of Jesus’ Church) have not by following artificial fables, made known to you the power, and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; but we were eyewitnesses of his greatness. 17 For he received from God the Father, honour and glory: this voice coming down to him from the excellent glory: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 18 And this voice we heard brought from heaven, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 And we (the apostles) have the more firm prophetical word (the truth): whereunto you do well to attend (to abide by), as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.

20* “No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation”… This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one’s private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. *
**Can there be more than one interpretation of the Bible? No. The word “truth” is used several times in the New Testament. However, the plural version of the word “truth” never appears in Scripture. And scripture does not conflict with itself. **

 

[dnelson001]

Who, or what do the woman, the child, the dragon represent?

Im sorry i did not give the text for me saying that the 12 starts referred to the sons of Israel. it was very late and i just found it out last night in my study of your question.

here it is:
Genesis 37:9. Joseph refers to his brothers as stars.

ok, i will be waiting on your response.

 

[dnelson001]

I know what you mean. I tried to explain to my SDA friend that in order for us to communicate he has to understand that we Catholics don’t believe that the scriptures are the final authority. That is very difficult for them as the bible is all they have. So, when he says to me the Bible clearly states that we must celebrate Saturday as the Sabbath I tell him that the Church has the final say, not the Bible, and if the Church decreed that we should start going to Mass on Wednessday instead of Sunday Then I would submit to the lawful authority of Christ’s Church and go no Wed. Not thea the Church is ever going to do that, but It really fries their brain!

You are right, you can rest ashore that the church will never do that. Not even a remote possibility. So you don’t have to worry about frying your brain. But I don’t have to tell you that and you know it, so please…
The church will never let Sunday go because that is the mark of her power that links all other denominations to her. So change that and let go of her grip… may be in fairytale land but not in the real world. this is going to play out until Jesus comes back and the we will see if he accepts what you say or what He said.

May God bless and keep you in his love friend.

 

[greggy53]

These are very good questions. I just want to state that i’m not a theologian but God has given me a thinking mind. I will do my best to clarify these questions for you. May God help us with our understanding of his word, may it all come clear to us.
well here goes:

This pure woman is the true church. The church is not an organization or a system in the
Who is the child?
Jesus Christ is the man child according to John 20:17.

Who is the dragon?
Satan is the dragon Revelation 12:9

Ps. i will be waiting on your reply and your interpretation of the txt

First things first. My interpretation is based on what the church has taught me. Revealed to Christ’s church by the Holy Spirit.

OK , The problem with your interpretation is that if the woman giving birth to Jesus only symbolizes the church then what you are telling me is that the Church is giving birth to Jesus?? How can that be?? It can’t. The woman can indeed represent the Church, but that can’t be the whole interpretation. The woman also by allusion is the virgin Mary who is depicted with a crown of 12 stars. Stars that represent the 12 Apostles. The dragon is Herod who slew the holy Innocents. The Church honors Mary as queen of Heaven and this is scripture that supports it.

 

[greggy53]

These are very good questions. I just want to state that i’m not a theologian but God has given me a thinking mind. I will do my best to clarify these questions for you. May God help us with our understanding of his word, may it all come clear to us.
well here goes:

Isaiah 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, Honorable; and shall honor him, not doing dine own ways, nor finding dine own pleasure, nor speaking dine own words.

I give you my text stating what day is the Lord’s Day. Now you give me yours please.
As you can see, this is what the bible says, not what i interpret it to say or what i think it says.

You are telling me in a very oblique way that St John meant the Sabbath when he said the Lords day right?..The problem with that is that St John being a devout Jew more than likely would have said " I was in the Spirit on the Sabbath" if he had indeed meant the Sabbath. Because he was a Jew, and he didn’t say the Sabbath we can only conlude that he meant some other day of the week NOT Saturday.

 

[dnelson001]

Nonsense.

I see you think that I have already got an answer to my first question…
I don’t think I got the answer to the question. Please provide your answer and a YES or a NO.
I have gotten some very good quotations from joe 5859 but there was no personal explanation as to what it main. CCC 620, CCC 970 and CCC 969. with this in mind, can you please answer the question for me.
Give all the explanation you want but at the end can you please sum it up in a YES or a NO.
We tend to give a whole lot of explanation and never answer the question

Is Mary essential for salvation?
Do we get to Jesus by Mary?
Do you believe that we would not have salvation if Mary had said no?
Do you believe that Mary gave birth to the eternal God or to the body of a man that God prepared for himself (the Messiah)?

Thank you very much and God bless

 

[estesbob]

I see you think that I have already got an answer to my first question…
**I don’t think I got the answer to the question. Please provide your answer and a YES or a NO. **
I have gotten some very good quotations from joe 5859 but there was no personal explanation as to what it main. CCC 620, CCC 970 and CCC 969. with this in mind, can you please answer the question for me.
Give all the explanation you want but at the end can you please sum it up in a YES or a NO.
We tend to give a whole lot of explanation and never answer the question

Is Mary essential for salvation?
Do we get to Jesus by Mary?
Do you believe that we would not have salvation if Mary had said no?
Do you believe that Mary gave birth to the eternal God or to the body of a man that God prepared for himself (the Messiah)?

Thank you very much and God bless

I already did.

 

[Philthy]

Give all the explanation you want but at the end can you please sum it up in a YES or a NO. We tend to give a whole lot of explanation and never answer the question

 

[greggy53]

The church will never let Sunday go because that is the mark of her power that links all other denominations to her. So change that and let go of her grip… may be in fairytale land but not in the real world. this is going to play out until Jesus comes back and the we will see if he accepts what you say or what He said.

May God bless and keep you in his love friend.

This is a very important part of SDA theology. They teach that any Chrisitans who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday are worshiping the “Beast” of the apocalypse. This is one of the few things that Catholics, and Protestants agree with. We all accept the overwhelming evidence in the New testament, as well as the early church writings that Christians worshipped on Sunday. The SDA will try to cloud this or any issue with a myriad of unrelated scriptures taken out of context to back their story. Look again at the questions they posed at the beginning of the thread. Take for instance question 13.

“13. Did God tell the pope to bring all the pagans symbols and ornaments?”

What are they talking about here? This question just like all the other questions is very misleading, and full of innuendo.

Not long ago I was watching one of their videos on line and the speaker was talking about Sunday worship. In an off hand way he mentioned that Sunday was the day named after the Roman Sun God. He didn’t elaborate, and moved on in his lecture, but the insinuation was that those who worshipped on Sunday worshipped a pagan God. He didn’t bother to add that Saturday was named after the Roman God Saturn. So using his logic shouldn’t we then infer that those who worship on Saturday worship the pagan God Saturn??? When I listen to these people I realize that what they don’t say is as important as what they do.

 

[estesbob]

I see you think that I have already got an answer to my first question…
I don’t think I got the answer to the question. Please provide your answer and a YES or a NO.
I have gotten some very good quotations from joe 5859 but there was no personal explanation as to what it main. CCC 620, CCC 970 and CCC 969. with this in mind, can you please answer the question for me.
Give all the explanation you want but at the end can you please sum it up in a YES or a NO.
We tend to give a whole lot of explanation and never answer the question

Is Mary essential for salvation?
Do we get to Jesus by Mary?
Do you believe that we would not have salvation if Mary had said no?
Do you believe that Mary gave birth to the eternal God or to the body of a man that God prepared for himself (the Messiah)?

Thank you very much and God bless

Catholics revere mary as the Mother of God. You appear to view her as nothing more than a “baby mama”, a convenient place for God to park his son for 9 months-just one of millions of wombs available at the time.

 

[twb1621]

In regard to the Sabbath, this may help;

Our Lord Jesus Christ declared that He was Lord of the Sabbath and that its observance was at His disposal: St. Matthew 12:1-8; St. Mark 2:24-26;St. Luke 6:5; St. John 5:10-11.

As a consequence, the early Church, in order to distinguish itself from the worship of the Synagogue, was free to depart from the Jewish Sabbath and worship God on another day of the week. This is evident from the words of St. Paul to the Colossians:

“Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing
festivals, new moons, orsabbaths. These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ” (2:16-17).

There is no command or injunction in the New Testament that the followers of Christ must continue to observe Saturday. If Christ Himself had the power to “dispose” of the Sabbath, so too does His Church which is His Body. The power of the Church to make such a change is specifically found in Our Lord’s words to St. Peter:

“I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth
will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven” (St. Matt. 16:19).

From the outset of the Church’s history Christians replaced the Sabbath day with a new day of public worship in commemoration of Christ’s resurrection from the dead**––**the Day of the Lord. This day is Sunday, the first day of the week:
“But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb” (St. Luke 24:1-2).

“Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb” (St. John 20:1)*. *

The official “birthday” of the Church, Pentecost Sunday, also fell on the first day of the week: Acts 2:1.

The early Christians celebrated the public worship of the Mass on Sunday:* “On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread…”* (Acts 20:7)*. *
Collections in support of the Church were gathered on Sunday:
“On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that contributions need not be made when I come” (1 Cor. 16:2)*. *
St. John received his Revelation on Sunday:
*“I, John, your brother who share with you in Jesus the persecution…was on the island called Patmos…I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day…” *(Rev. 1:9-10).

Continued nest post…

 

[twb1621]

continued from previous post;

In response, Seventh-Day Adventists cite the following passages as proof that the Sabbath-day was the day of worship of the early Christians:

“The women who had come with him from Galilee followed, and saw the tomb, and how his body was laid; then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment” (St. Luke 23:55-56).

“As they went out, the people begged that these things might be told them the next sabbath. And when the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who spoke to them and urged them to continue in the grace of God. The next sabbath almost the whole city gathered together to hear the word of God”
(Acts 13:42-44).

“And he argued in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded Jews and Greeks. When Silas and Timothy arrived from Macedonia, Paul was occupied with preaching, testifying to the Jews that the Christ was Jesus” (Acts 18:3-5).

However, in St. Luke 23 the resurrection of Christ had not yet occurred and therefore the significance of theLord’s day was not yet a reality. In any case, the Jewish authorities would have prohibited work on Christ’s body even if the holy women had wanted to do some. Furthermore, from a closer reading of Acts it should be obvious that St. Paul went to the Synagogues on the Sabbath not to actually worship but because the gatherings of Jews there provided ideal forum in which to preach Christ. These synagogue gatherings only occurred on the Sabbath and were solely for Jews who had not yet accepted Christ.

continued at;
http://www.lumenverum.org/apologetics/DefendtheFaith/page290.html

a person who is of another belief system than Catholicism but considers themself Christian does not have a proper understanding of the Gospel. The proof of the CC authenticity and the origin of the Holy Bible are well verified both in Scripture and throughout history.

 

[dnelson001]

You are telling me in a very oblique way that St John meant the Sabbath when he said the Lords day right?..The problem with that is that St John being a devout Jew more than likely would have said " I was in the Spirit on the Sabbath" if he had indeed meant the Sabbath. Because he was a Jew, and he didn’t say the Sabbath we can only conlude that he meant some other day of the week NOT Saturday.

here you go with assumptions again. am i assuming? every thing is assume assume. the bible tells you what it is and you still assume. come on this is plain English bro.
it says what it says. nothing more nothing less. it explains itself, why do you need to assume anythings?
well at least you cant say you don’t know now.

well take care bro and God bless

 

[greggy53]

here you go with assumptions again. am i assuming? every thing is assume assume. the bible tells you what it is and you still assume. come on this is plain English bro.
it says what it says. nothing more nothing less. it explains itself, why do you need to assume anythings?
well at least you cant say you don’t know now.

well take care bro and God bless

The answer you gave to my question: On what day St John was refering to when he said:“I was in the spirit on the Lords day.”
was a quote from Isaiah. From this quote I took it you meant that St John was refering to the Sabbath. Was I wrong ? The scripture you quoted says nothing about what St John said in the Apocalypse. Because you did not answer the quesrtion directly I had the right to infer what you meant.
PS I’m not your “bro” whatever that means.