Can I recite the St Michael Exorcism?

[R_C]

Hello R_C. Deja Vu? Haven’t we recently had a similar discussion?

Disturb the adversary? You make it sound like Satan was sleeping quietly. There is no need to disturb him. He disturbs US. He is already like a roaring lion. I doubt that we could disturb him.

What you choose to do is none of my concern. I have given you sound advice. Lay faithful, or even priests not authorized by the bishop, should not directly disturb the adversary.

We are to love God with all ourselves and our neighbor like Christ loved us. Our task in the world is to overcome evil with good.

To be filled with pride and think that us poor little servants who are not even ordained can utter a few words and defeat the “roaring lion” is short of insane. Great spiritual warriors who directly confronted Satan taught how terrible he can be, and if we are not acting with the authority of Holy Church and under the virtue of obedience, then Satan will have great power over us if we try to “exorcise” things.

St. Faustina Kowalska was often heavily disturbed by the adversary. However, not having any authority on the matter, she would remain quiet, completely ignoring him, or even openly accept any torment that he would give her for the love of Christ. That was very disturbing to Satan, and in a private revelation (which, of course, you are free not to believe in) the Lord told her that He was very pleased with her behavior: since she had not replied anything to Satan, he had been unable to do anything to her.

Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that an exorcism is a blessing - a special one. If a lay faithful has no authority whatsoever to bless, how can he possibly believe that he can have authority to perform such a solemn blessing?

On the other hand, what we can and should do is invoke the Lord’s blessing, pray that He may deliver us from evil, and pray every so often the prayer of St. Michael (“Sancte Michaele Archangele, defende nos in proelio…” which once was said after every Holy Mass). The Holy Rosary, too, is perhaps the most powerful prayer a lay faithful can perform to keep the adversary away. Fasting and penance also work rather well.

Besides, exorcisms, being a medicine, serve a purpose: to address specific ilnesses (infestations of places or demonic influence on people, that is, obsession and, in very rare occasions, possession). The symptoms of an illness should never prompt us to try to heal ourselves, but to talk to a physician. For the first illness, we should ask a priest to bless the house or office. He will know what to do from there. If the second (or third) kind is present, the first thing that the addressed priest will do is direct the person to receive all possible medical treatment - no “special blessing” until science has sentenced that the illness is unexplainable from the medical standpoint. Therefore my question remains: what is the need to directly disturb the adversary?

There are really more important things we should be doing. Praying for the salvation of sinners and for the suffering souls in Purgatory, for instance. Let the Lord deal with Satan in due time, through his appointed servants.

 

[Rocky24]

Yes, I do struggle with pride and I seem to be thinking that I can battle the Devil all by myself! If Rome has spoken, then I will not recite this prayer because it is an act of disobedience. I have started praying the Rosary and it is beginning to calm me and aid me against temptation. That’s good enough for me! I really don’t want to risk my soul, considering the fact that many on this thread have commented on how the exorcism (when recited by lay people) can have negative effects.

 

[BluesPicker]

Your “assurance” contradicts the instruction of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. The document states clearly:

That is not an “approved prayer for the laity”.

By the way, just to be clear, I speak as one who has used that prayer (before I had knowledge of the content of the Inde Ab Aliquot Annis, misguided by websites like the one you mention which say that a lay faithful can perform these prayers), and I therefore know - by God’s mercy, only to a very small extent - the negative consequences they carry.

If you really are consumed by the zeal of fighting Satan, then follow the advice of Padre Pio and pray the Rosary as much as you can. He called it “his weapon” against the adversary.

R_C,

     What makes you think  I don't pray the Rosary?    I pray the Rosary several times a day and through the night.  Alone, with friends, and with people undergoing spiritual attack who can't say the Our Father.

       The  OP has the means to find the truth if he wants.  He has access to an authoritative ecclesiastical source of information.    That is all  I can do or anyone else.

       The is a saying in  French that translates to  "He was born without the Good Lord promised."  Some people have an inability to  understand  context and unfortunately since there are liberal priests  one is likely to hear anything.  

        Priests who deny that Latin is a holy language, support actively convicted pedophiles, & trash the efforts of  Bishops.......you can only pray for them.   

     Alan thank  God for your wife being a saintly woman.    The very best only human person was not a priest nor a male it was the Blessed Virgin Mary.   

      Give to Christ  because only He can bring them to Light.

Pax,
BP

 

[AlanFromWichita]

     Alan thank  God for your wife being a saintly woman.    The very best only human person was not a priest nor a male it was the Blessed Virgin Mary.

I can’t thank Him enough. She is absolutely amazing. She is my living model for unconditional and sacrificial love. Through better and much worse, richer and poverty, sickness and health… My doctor, my pastor, my lawyer, and many others have echoed to me how lucky I am – very few women would have gone through what I put her through and stayed with me. And now with her support, I’m healthy and can better support her!

The first time I saw and actually comprehended “real” love – I’d say in my whole life – was when I saw her taking care of our first baby, a boy. She cared so much for him I could feel it from across the room. That boy was just this year elected Grand Knight of the KOC, the youngest ever for our chapter at age 25. :knight2:

Ah, well. Now returning you to your regularly scheduled thread.

Alan

 

[BluesPicker]

T_C,

     Here is another besides  the Redemptorist Fathers who don't understand  that letter as you: Fr. Amorth.    This was on several Catholic websites years ago.  Fr. Amorth published this.

 Oct. 31st is rolling around.  And  I am praying  the Rosary for this.  A person can spread themselves too thin doing many things poorly instead of doing one thing or a few things really well.  It is a tactic Satan uses often.   I tend to be argumentative rather than committing things to Christ.  He is the real Savior and the only one who can Save.

BP

Comments from Father Amorth Concerning Inde Ab Aliquot Annis

The above-cited letter warns against any direct dealings with demons and states that their name should not be asked by those who have not been granted the specific faculty to do so. The Acts of the Apostles report a particularly fitting event … (of the consequences of acting without faculty to do so in the story of the Seven Brothers --Acts 19:11-20). (from An Exorcist: More Stories, [American Edition], Ignatius Press, San Francisco: (2002), (translated into English by Nicoletta V. MacKenzie), pp. 189-90 )

I will now explain some of that is forbidden and what is required, according to these guidelines (of Inde Ab Aliquot Annis).

• First, official exorcisms are not allowed; they are reserved exclusively for the exorcist. The same holds true for the exorcism of Leo XIII, even though it is now part of the public domain. The private use of such exorcisms is another matter; at least, this is how I understand the above-cited document.

• We must avoid addressing the demon directly and to find out his name and – I add – anything else. All other considerations aside, a direct dialogue with the demon can be dangerous to anyone who dares to initiate it without the due authorization of the Church, and therefor without her protection.
At the end, the document reminds one of the importance of prayer, the sacraments, and the intercession of the Virgin Mary, the angels, and the saints… (from Exorcist Tells His Story, Ibid, pp.190-91)

 

[MtnDwellar]

What you choose to do is none of my concern. I have given you sound advice. Lay faithful, or even priests not authorized by the bishop, should not directly disturb the adversary…

My response is that one cannot disturb the adversary. It is too late for that. He is already attacking us.

A person, lay or ordained, cannot defeat Satan. It is only God’s power as He chooses to use it that can defeat Satan.

Lay people can and are encouraged to perform blessings. See the Book of Blessings.

The exorcism prayer is very powerful. I have used it successfully. People usually don’t start using this prayer. They try other prayers, changing their lives, asking for help, etc. They try accepting the attacks as part of God’s will. They try to imitate our saints. They also try using this prayer.

God Bless You.

 

[Rocky24]

A person, lay or ordained, cannot defeat Satan. It is only God’s power as He chooses to use it that can defeat Satan.

Amen!

 

[AlanFromWichita]

My response is that one cannot disturb the adversary. It is too late for that. He is already attacking us.

A person, lay or ordained, cannot defeat Satan. It is only God’s power as He chooses to use it that can defeat Satan.

Lay people can and are encouraged to perform blessings. See the Book of Blessings.

The exorcism prayer is very powerful. I have used it successfully. People usually don’t start using this prayer. They try other prayers, changing their lives, asking for help, etc. They try accepting the attacks as part of God’s will. They try to imitate our saints. They also try using this prayer.

God Bless You.

After 11 years of spiritual warfare, I am sensitive enough to these kinds of things I don’t much feel the need to read exorcism prayers like I wanted to a few years ago when I was really manic and acting out and nearly getting myself locked up.

Now I fight them with my feelings and my thoughts – but these “thoughts” aren’t technical thoughts that can be explained with words, as much as they are feelings, and inclinations, and well, it’s like you can’t explain to a person born blind, what a sunset looks like. So if you have felt something similar maybe you know what I mean.

But they don’t invade my mind anymore, which gives me great peace, but I can feel them still trying to affect me. I’ve also worked very hard at getting my body language under control, which I think is way more important than I would have realized a year ago. Now the residual effects, instead of confusing me and causing me anxiety, come usually in the form of “microexpressions,” to use the body language term. I can like “feel” an evil thought, so basically I think I’ve been able to recognize those thoughts that are “mine” so that thoughts that aren’t “mine,” can go to another part of my central nervous system than my conscious thoughts. Almost every time, it’s going to be a muscle that either twitches, or even starts my hand toward something I don’t need for example. The muscle can be in my shoulders, back, legs, probably almost half are on the face near my eyes, mouth, etc.

Lately my pastor has worked with me for a few minutes every week on eye contact and body language, where we will look each other in the eyes very intently while he talks, and I can feel the tiny twitches on my face, as he says things – anything – could be explaining a theological point, or it could be personal or we could be talking about a sin real or hypothetical. Whatever the topic, when I look him right in the eye, he is so solid that if I can get rid of my shame I can just “let go” and gaze toward him and let his strength come over me. Yesterday when we did it, it only took about five seconds for my own eyes and facial expressions to relax and come to rest, while looking at him.

Used to, I didn’t hardly ever go to confession, but now when I have even venial sins to talk about I tell him face to face and he teaches me how to resist. So I went straight from never liking or understanding confession, to “face-to-face is good.” When it’s teaching rather than just absolution I need, I don’t tie up the confessional; we get enough private time together I never have to wait more than a week.

Does all that sound weird? For me it’s part of the :heaven: I’m in now.

God bless Father H, who believed in me the first day he came to our parish and I approached him, anxious and fearful and in tears that he – being a music expert – was going to fire me from playing for Mass because I’m not that good. He told me after Mass that he liked my playing, he knew I could do it, and for as long as he’s pastor here I will continue to have first dibs on the 8 am Mass. :extrahappy:

Compare that to the last pastor, who dealt with my psychosis by banning me from all parish property except to drop off and pick up kids at school, and to come play music at Mass.

Praise to the Lord!

To me, spiritual warfare is about love. It’s about standing on the Word without doubt, and becoming clean from guilt so “they” can’t use that as a weapon. I think “gratitude” is probably THE most useful single emotion that has helped me cut through the others – and as a “terminal” manic/depressive I know a little about emotions – gratitude never became for me a “runaway” emotion, although a few times I did try to express gratitude “improperly.” That’s was what got me banned from parish property. I was always in the school helping teachers, and one time I thanked one of them by “politely” kissing the back of her hand while standing at attention. Instead of telling me she rather I not touch her, she went to the principal, then to the (spiritually blind IMO) pastor, and that was the “final straw.” I became persona non grata before I was even told what I had done wrong. I guess the gratitude was from God, but the motion to kiss the hand – I don’t know “whose idea” that was.

Alan

 

[mercytruth]

Alan, what you have shared with us regarding ‘spiritual warfare’ and gratitude is extremely helpful for those of us who have family or friends who are diagnosed bi-polar. Differentiating one’s own ‘evil thoughts’ from the ‘microexpressions’, or temptations of our adversary are something that most of us are not capable of understanding. Gratitude seems to be a very difficult attitude to express when one is in so much emotional turmoil and pain.

Somehow if I understand you correctly, these ‘microexpressions’ from our adversary manifest themselves through the central nervous system into body language? If you do not mind me asking you this question…how do you know if these ‘microexpressions’ may not be a symptom of your bi-polar condition?

I have often wondered why many bi-polar individuals are extremely sensitive, and how much of that sensitivity is due to a greater awareness of the spiritual dimensions, or to bio-chemical reactions of the central nervous system.

You are very blessed to have a priest who has the wisdom and love of Jesus Christ to know how important it is for you have face to face ‘teaching’ confessions with him.

I thank God, and I thank you for sharing your spiritual journey of healing with us. There are so many individuals who are struggling with emotional, psychological, and mental wounds and diseases who need to know that a deeper spirituality is not possible without emotional and psychological well being. Finding a spiritual director, priest or counselor who understands this is not always that simple, and I can empathize with them.

God’s peace be with you

micah

 

[R_C]

Alone, with friends, and with people undergoing spiritual attack who can’t say the Our Father.

The prayer of the Rosary is excellent, and I actually assumed you were also praying it. Nevertheless, if someone is under such spiritual attack, they have to speak to a priest. Self-medication is as bad in the spiritual world as it is in the physical world.

As for your remarks, they seem out of place. The prohibition to recite the “exorcism against Satan and the fallen angels” and the directive to the bishops to guard “lest those who lack the required power attempt to lead assemblies in which prayers are employed to obtain liberation from demons” comes from the Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei (you know, the one that used to be called* Suprema Congregatio sanctæ romanæ et universalis inquisitionis*). There was a time in which a faithful Catholic would never argue with this Dicastery. I don’t think it’s a good idea today, either, because we can only have one of two masters, and in the measure that we disobey to one we are serving the other.

As for Fr. Amorth’s document, I don’t see the discrepancy. He says that it is his personal opinion, his understanding, that the Inde Ab Aliquot Annis does not refer to private exorcisms. He speaks as (1) a priest and (2) an appointed exorcist. He does not say that lay faithful should attempt them. To the lay faithful, Fr. Amorth’s message is rather clear: even in the remote case that there is a demonic disturbance, an attempt to *directly *address it “can be dangerous to anyone who dares to initiate it without the due authorization of the Church, and therefor without her protection”.

So, for the lay faithful: prayer, the sacraments, and the intercession of the Virgin Mary, the angels, and the saints. Anything else: talk to a priest.

 

[R_C]

@ MtnDwellar
Again, you are setting aside the directives of the Church.

“Can and are encouraged”? Is that something you say, or did you read it somewhere? Lay people do not have the authority to perform blessings at all. The Book of Blessings does includes changes so that a some lay faithful, exercising a specific office, can invoke God’s blessing in certain specific circumstances. From the Book of Blessings:

Such laypersons exercise this ministry in virtue of their office (for example, parents on behalf of their children) or by reason of some special liturgical ministry or in fulfillment of a particular charge in the Church, as is the case in many places with religious or catechists appointed by decision of the local Ordinary, after ascertaining their proper pastoral formation and prudence in the apostolate.

A lay faithful is unable to bless without the Sacrament of the Holy Orders, period.

No doubt the exorcism prayer is powerful - at least, the traditional rite. But only the bishop and those he appoints can perform it - that, at least, appears to be the case. Do you have any official document of the Church saying otherwise?

Finally, about the usage of “disturb”" I am sure the ETWN translators picked it for a good reason. For instance, one of its meanings is “To hinder by interference”. In that sense, every time we do God’s will we (indirectly) disturb the adversary.

However, the actual wording employed in the official document by the Congregation is: directe interpellantur, from the Latin “interpellā-re”, “to interrupt by speaking”. In English it could be rendered in two ways, according to the OED:

interpellate, v.
To interrupt (a person) in speaking; hence, to break in on or interrupt (a process or action).
To address an interpellation to (a minister …])

interpel, v.
To appeal to; to petition.
To interrupt (a person) in speaking; to break in on or disturb.
To intercept, cut off, prevent.

It is this “direct interpellation” that is not allowed.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Somehow if I understand you correctly, these ‘microexpressions’ from our adversary manifest themselves through the central nervous system into body language? If you do not mind me asking you this question…how do you know if these ‘microexpressions’ may not be a symptom of your bi-polar condition?

Don’t take my exact words too strictly, because I’m not an expert at these terms but more using them as they seem to illustrate my point. For example, what I know about microexpressions, is what I saw on this wonderful 1 1/2 hour documentary on body language recently, and I’m saying if you watch the first five minutes, at least through the part with Bill Clinton, Yassir Arafat, and Ehud Barak going through a door starting at 5:00, I think you’ll agree with me it’s an informational film. I watched it together with the three kids I still have at home.

Microexpressions are small involuntary movements that body language experts (such as on the documentary) can pick up on, and it can reveal that there’s more to the story than what we’re hearing from the words. They only last a fraction of a second, but they can show up Clinton, Nixon, Schwarzenegger and others, revealing by microexpression that they were lying.

The documentary is at: youtube.com/watch?v=AQENwD-QlRA For some strange reason, it made me sign in to view – I don’t remember any questionable content.

Now, the way I see the demons tying into the microexpressions, is that our mind is doing a million things in background that we’re not focused on, and one of them is processing (name removed by moderator)uts (like from eyes, skin, ears, nose) and for example, when a door slams, you might tense up or even jump. Because the startling thought processed itself in your nerves as a reflex – so some of the nerves involved (after all, they are all connected together like a living Internet) happen to trigger muscles.

Well, evil thoughts do the same thing They startle us, or they disgust us, or they scare us. Try whispering to yourself about things that are digusting, or wonderful, or creepy and scary, and put just a tad of emotion into it, and you can actually feel the different moods on your face. There is some information about this on the documentary, too, facial expressions and how a computer can watch you with a camera and read your mood at any given moment.

So no, I’m not saying demons have any direct control over our nerves and muscles. But I’m saying that thoughts associated with demons, and the things we sense with our five senses, get processed, and along the way a few muscles get triggered. This is all my analysis, based on various thought models I used to think my way out of that “paper bag” that was my mental/emotional/spiritual/social problems that had cut me down. Pruned, I suppose.

I have often wondered why many bi-polar individuals are extremely sensitive, and how much of that sensitivity is due to a greater awareness of the spiritual dimensions, or to bio-chemical reactions of the central nervous system.

I’d guess both of those are likely causes. Note that just because they seem more aware of the spiritual dimension, doesn’t mean they’re any good at dealing with it. Especially if they are mixed up in their theology or have a bad social or family environment. I must say a good doctor and tons of family love were key components for me to heal.

You are very blessed to have a priest who has the wisdom and love of Jesus Christ to know how important it is for you have face to face ‘teaching’ confessions with him.

Amen.

I thank God, and I thank you for sharing your spiritual journey of healing with us. There are so many individuals who are struggling with emotional, psychological, and mental wounds and diseases who need to know that a deeper spirituality is not possible without emotional and psychological well being. Finding a spiritual director, priest or counselor who understands this is not always that simple, and I can empathize with them.

God’s peace be with you

micah

Thank you. I’d say, just know that there are six aspects of yourself to consider. One doctor is going to be trained in only one or two, so it pays to consider there are other ways to look at the same symptoms. The components are: physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, social, and sexual. If you want total healing, look for healing in each of those areas. For me they improved together in one big seemingly orchestrated kabang. All except the physical, so I need to get going back to the YMCA.

My biggest message for people with bipolar illness, is to get all the help that medicine can provide as a baseline. Then have the faith to know that there is true healing is possible through the Holy Spirit, and will come to you from any number of directions and activities. Like through the hands and minds of the doctors, and through the love of family and friends, and what you learn and experience on CAF… it’s all good. Healing comes from your own ministry to help others, I’d say at least as much as they helping you – to whatever degree you can help, at least do that.

Rom 8:28 – We know that all things work for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose.

Be open for healing to come from anywhere and everywhere, and trust that God hears your prayers and the Holy Spirit is in control.

Alan

 

[mercytruth]

Alan, thanks for your explanation of microexpressions relating to temptations of the mind coming from the adversary of our souls. I am more acquainted with the temptations of attitudes and emotions that are from our adversary. I suppose the question remains, which comes first from outside ourselves, the evil thought, or the evil attitude?

As far as the OP question, I hesitate to opine either way. The apostle Paul says that 'we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers’
Furthermore, he instructs us to put on the whole armor of God in resisting these ‘principalities and powers’.

The ‘sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God’ is that which Jesus Christ used against Satan. Scripture is a very important weapon against the wiles and deceptions from these forces of darkness. The breastplate of righteousness, the shield of faith, and the helmet of salvation are very good armor in resisting the spiritual forces of religious pride, of doubt, and of despair. These along with prayer and living a holy and humble life in Jesus Christ are necessary in resisting and overcoming all temptations of the world, the flesh and the devil.

Above all, according to St. Jude, we should never ‘rail against Satan’. Rather we should say as the archangel Michael said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke thee, Satan”.

When it comes to obsession, and especially possession we are dealing in another dimension of deliverance. I do not think a layperson has the spiritual authority to perfom
an exorcism on another individual, especially if that individual is not a family member.

Finally, thank you for pointing out that there are six areas of healing in our lives that are necessary in order for a deeper spirituality to be formed within us by the power of the Holy Spirit. Your advice for those with bi-polar is much appreciated also.

God’s peace be with you

micah

 

[BluesPicker]

The prayer of the Rosary is excellent, and I actually assumed you were also praying it. Nevertheless, if someone is under such spiritual attack, they have to speak to a priest. Self-medication is as bad in the spiritual world as it is in the physical world.

As for your remarks, they seem out of place. The prohibition to recite the “exorcism against Satan and the fallen angels” and the directive to the bishops to guard “lest those who lack the required power attempt to lead assemblies in which prayers are employed to obtain liberation from demons” comes from the Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei (you know, the one that used to be called* Suprema Congregatio sanctæ romanæ et universalis inquisitionis*). There was a time in which a faithful Catholic would never argue with this Dicastery. I don’t think it’s a good idea today, either, because we can only have one of two masters, and in the measure that we disobey to one we are serving the other.

As for Fr. Amorth’s document, I don’t see the discrepancy. He says that it is his personal opinion, his understanding, that the Inde Ab Aliquot Annis does not refer to private exorcisms. He speaks as (1) a priest and (2) an appointed exorcist. He does not say that lay faithful should attempt them. To the lay faithful, Fr. Amorth’s message is rather clear: even in the remote case that there is a demonic disturbance, an attempt to *directly *address it “can be dangerous to anyone who dares to initiate it without the due authorization of the Church, and therefor without her protection”.

So, for the lay faithful: prayer, the sacraments, and the intercession of the Virgin Mary, the angels, and the saints. Anything else: talk to a priest.

 Don't you realize you are taking the whole letter out of  context?  I am not arguing with the Congregation for the Doctrine of  Faith.!  

    I have to go eat supper.   I will be back.

BP

 

[BluesPicker]

The use of this prayer in private prayer life is not an official liturgical rite. Nor is it intended to be used as such. That is why Fr. Amorth says the private use of such exorcisms is another matter according to his understanding.

       This prayer appears on websites such as:

apriestlife.blogspot.com/2012/04/for-private-use-leo-xiiis-prayer-of.html

       The above website has the best explanation or the simplest.

With this text:

An Excorcism Prayer - Warning: To be said by a Priest only
This is a prayer against Satan and his rebellious angels. It was published by the Order of His Holiness Pope Leo XIII. This simple prayer must be said by a priest only.

The term “exorcism”" does NOT always denote a solemn exorcism involving a person possessed by the devil. In general, the term denotes prayers to “curb the power of the devil and prevent him from doing harm.” As St. Peter had written in Holy Scripture, “your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goes about seeking whom he may devour.” [1 St.Pet. 5:8]

The Holy Father exhorts priests to say this prayer as often as possible, as a simple exorcism to curb the power of the devil and prevent him from doing harm. The faithful also may say it in their own name, for the same purpose, as any approved prayer. Its use is recommended whenever action of the devil is suspected, causing malice in men, violent temptations and even storms and various calamities. It could be used as a solemn exorcism (an official and public ceremony, in Latin), to expel the devil. It would then be said by a priest, in the name of the Church and only with a Bishop’s permission.

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catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=682

    I guess the Catholic Online  website one of the oldest  Catholic websites is in dissension  or there are people here who don't know about private prayer or deliverance.

catholicfirst.com/thefaith/prayers/simpleexorcism.html

   Catholic First a website with a  AAA  Rating by Catholic Culture  has better instructions.

  I guess  Catholic First is another website in dissension with the  Catholic Church  or there are people here who are  ordinary religious but think they are religious ordinaries.

motherofallpeoples.com/2011/09/prayer-against-satan-and-the-rebellious-angels/

  I guess the Mother of All Peoples website is another  website in dissension with the Catholic Church  or  some just don't under stand  plain English.

Fr. Amorth said:

“We must avoid addressing the demon directly and to find out his name and – I add – anything else. All other considerations aside, a direct dialogue with the demon can be dangerous to anyone who dares to initiate it without the due authorization of the Church, and therefor without her protection.”

   Again in the context of attempting an exorcism on a person  the demon may manifest if a lay person has a highly developed  prayer life.   So you are not to try to ask questions or tell it anything  you are to stop.   

     When you pray this prayer for your family you should not be attempting an exorcism of a family member.   You say it to keep your place clean and to curb the influence of Satan within your home.   Simple exorcisms are not real exorcisms like official exorcisms.  Any exorcism can be said as any approved prayer in the context of private prayer.  The Our Father is a simple exorcism but is not  a  liturgical blessing.    Making the Sign of the Cross is a sacramental.

      The private prayer usage of this prayer was never abrogated.    

 Oh,  St. Catherine of Siena was not a priest, yet  exorcists would send  possessed people they could not exorcise.   And,  they were freed.   That was a blessing but not a liturgical blessing.

  T_C   thank you for your wonderful discourse on  liturgical Blessings.  But all blessings sacramentals but are all sacramentals blessings?  Is solemn exorcism a liturgical blessing?

What is a public rite?

   Ever consider that  Fr. Syzamski  who was religious ordinary,  a Franciscan Abbot may know something about private prayer.

     It is not that the Church changed it is people have changed.   Even priests are divided.  Children are among the Church's most precious possessions.  And so is the Holy Eucharist; but there are priest who deny the  Holy Eucharist is the Body of  Christ.   Some deny the Resurrection of  Jesus Christ.


 I am bored to death.

BP

 

[littlechicken]

Okay, I don’t know much, not a doctor on theology or anything, but I remember a story in The Bible, about someone who tried to cast out a demon who was NOT in the spiritual condition to do so, and the demon, upon leaving the person he originally possessed, entered into the man who had attempted to excorcise the demon.

Like I said, I don’t know much, but I do know that story is in The New Testament somewhere, and that is immediately what I thought of when I began reading this thread.



God Bless,
littlechicken

 

[BluesPicker]

Okay, I don’t know much, not a doctor on theology or anything, but I remember a story in The Bible, about someone who tried to cast out a demon who was NOT in the spiritual condition to do so, and the demon, upon leaving the person he originally possessed, entered into the man who had attempted to excorcise the demon.

Like I said, I don’t know much, but I do know that story is in The New Testament somewhere, and that is immediately what I thought of when I began reading this thread.



God Bless,
littlechicken

LC,

   Who were the seven sons of  Seva?  Were they not sons of a jewish rabbi?  Merely using the Lord's Name without knowing the Lord or His  Good News  the Gospel is akin to superstition.

      The Raccolta of 1930 had this prayer with the same prohibition   Canon Law §1151

under the 1917 Code of Canon Law as Canon Law § 1172. The letter by then Cardinal Ratzinger when he was Prefect of the CDF was in the context of solemn exorcism. Fr. Amorth posted his interpretation & states the private use was another matter according to his understanding.

      The original text of  Pope Leo XIII's Prayer  appears in the Racollata of   1930  and then a shorter version as the OP posted in 1934.   Same prohibition on solemn exorcism.

      So we are not to use this exorcism on suspected possessed people exhibiting signs of demonic behavior.      This leaves open saying that prayer  as a means of driving off evil spirits  from homes or areas, principally as a preventative measure.

      And  I asked this question to a Catholic exorcist as  I thought much the same way as  T_C. And  I found out  I was wrong.  Uncertain I asked 2 more, same answer.

        However,  if someone doesn't understand all of this stuff,  there are a lot of other prayers one can say.   But what is troublesome is all this stuff  that even some priests are saying contrary to  traditional Catholic  Moral Theology  concerning private prayer.   I don't believe Cardinal Ratzinger's letter has done away with all of that.  

       Priests that are highly critical of  Bishops who suspend  priests charged with pedophilia and give support to convicted priests are not good sources of anything.   

     The Our Father is a simple exorcism, a deprecatory one.   At any rate  I posted all of this before.  

    Any way,  read Fr. Amorth.

BP
That text by Abbot Fr. Syzmanski in 1976, a religious ordinary a Franciscan abbot, reflects traditional Roman Catholic teachings on the subject of exorcism.

 

[Aussieman88]

I don’t know that particular prayer but this link takes you to some mighty powerfull prayers that you can pray.

catholicwarriors.com/pages/warfare_prayers.htm

It will be helpfull for you to read the section about praying with authority. You can have no effect over a demon if you do not have authority over it.

Remember Mark 16 17. Jesus says “These signs will accompany those who believe; in my name they will drive out demons, they will speak new languages…”

You can make a big difference in the world young man. If you want to get into spiritual warfare then begin by researching the Armour of God. Research each one and prepare yourself. Age is no barrier.

 

[theyoungmonk]

LC,

       Priests that are highly critical of  Bishops who suspend  priests charged with pedophilia and give support to convicted priests are not good sources of anything.

When is a conviction ever cast-iron in the paticuler case where he is supporting a priest, the liklehood is that the priest will be released as the case has fallen apart. There are many cases of miscariges of Justice indeed my local bishop is involved in attempts to free a convicted woman, belived inocent.

 

[BluesPicker]

When is a conviction ever cast-iron in the paticuler case where he is supporting a priest, the liklehood is that the priest will be released as the case has fallen apart. There are many cases of miscariges of Justice indeed my local bishop is involved in attempts to free a convicted woman, belived inocent.

 The statements against Bishops alleging that they sing "Kill the priest" mocking  them, speaking completely out of turn,  and vilifying  there actions,  I guess that tone and demeanor is a good thing?

BP