Can I vent or more like cry one more time?

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He and my son both like math and science. I think I can interest just him in a science themed show. The older one would be looking for a peek show…no lie.
I think this is a good idea. Besides, the way the 13 year old has been acting, it isn’t a personal attack to say he doesn’t seem to enjoy your son’s company and that it doesn’t make sense to force them to socialize with each other.

By the time people get to be 12 and 13 years old, they do not expect to have all the same friends or the same social life. The younger brother with the very different interests from anyone else in his family would probably like to have someone to share those interests with outside the view of his older brother.
 
I think this is a good idea. Besides, the way the 13 year old has been acting, it isn’t a personal attack to say he doesn’t seem to enjoy your son’s company and that it doesn’t make sense to force them to socialize with each other.

By the time people get to be 12 and 13 years old, they do not expect to have all the same friends or the same social life. The younger brother with the very different interests from anyone else in his family would probably like to have someone to share those interests with outside the view of his older brother.
Very euphemistically, “It looks like George needs his space right now.”
 
…we all need to get out of our comfort zone.
Well…yes and no. For some of us, a pleasurable and sustainable path on the upward anxiety-becomes-success spiral is *very *gradual, and doesn’t ever go bounding too far into the Zone of High Anxiety.

For instance, you are not going to try to make your husband over into a guy who could MC a game show. There is a boundary that he isn’t going to be happy crossing no matter how many times he pushes himself over it. I’m a believer in recognizing those natural boundaries. We grow plants outside their usual growing zones by knowing how to protect them from harsh conditions, yes, but the place they really do the best is in the ecological niche that fits them. When we push into new territory, then, it is worth considering beforehand whether we really want to gain a foothold there or not.
 
Very euphemistically, “It looks like George needs his space right now.”
Something like that, yes. I would not restrict myself to euphemism, if my target audience were too thick-headed about this.
 
I agree with Monicad that the family and the boy might ironically feel jealous of the bounty from which your charity is offered, OP. I wouldn’t be surprised if the necessity of getting help at all from others causes resentment towards the helpers in the 13 year old. His dad had cancer so bad the doctors were helpless to stop it, you are helping, which means you are the family that has both health and enough extra money that you can actually give it away, while his family has a serious lack of both. At an age when young people like to be making a contribution, he is powerless to do anything to change what happened to his dad, to his mom, to his family. Even this other kid who is vulnerable–meaning, your son–is in a position to grant charity out of his own pocket, but the oldest son in the family feels as if he himself can’t do anything! That can make a teen feel very angry and jealous. A serious level of acting out is unfortunate, but not surprising, and his choice to bring the brunt of his resentment down on the most vulnerable member of your family is not that much of a surprise, either.

Having said that, your son doesn’t have the emotional resources to absorb this kind of abuse. You don’t have much choice but to do what is necessary to keep him safe. If the mother of the boy who is attacking him won’t do it, you have to. I’d tell your son that you have to hope the other boy will grow out of this terrible behavior, but there is a time to accept that he needs help that neither you nor your son can give. Sometimes, there is something to be gained by absorbing what other people dish out in their pain, but this is not one of those times. This kid would be better off if someone said, “No. You’re hurting, but you cannot be allowed to do this to someone. That is out-of-bounds, period.”

Most of us have been far less grateful than we have been blessed, so doing for others without the expectation of thanks is a praiseworthy thing. Having said that, sometimes what we do is not accepted with gratitude because it is actually resented or in some way unwanted. If the people we help do not act grateful, we have to consider that perhaps we are not really wanted, and withdraw our offers of help accordingly. (It is not as if someone who has accepted a lot of help from us can openly admit how they resent our help.)

If you are not at least getting verbal thanks, I would not call to offer help, because the lack of expressed gratitude is an indication that the family may not want your help but may not know how to tell you that. If you are asked for help, do not agree to anything that puts contact between your son and theirs. Encourage them to get help from another source, such as their relatives. Play it by ear, but realize that it is time that you refrain on doing anything for this family that will require another sacrifice by your son. He’s not in a position to offer that.

I echo those who made the conjecture that life may be no bowl of cherries for the 12 year old living in the same house with that 13 year old, too. I can hardly believe he is only that cruel with just one bystander. If I had to guess, I’d guess that the studious 12 year old is getting the most of the brunt of the older brother’s impulses towards cruel misbehavior. If there is any gracious way to let your son have contact with the younger one and give him a respite from his brother, it might do them both good. Otherwise, offer up what you’ve done, pray for this family, but back away.
You are right on the last part. The 13 yo terrorizes the 12 yo. For me, it seemed that after 4-5 months, I was the one to call for help. More or less I would get documents thrown at me to figure out. This was before school started. However, I now have a very sick dad to deal with.

Honestly, I can’t help to think that I have bought my child’s play dates because he is so different, no kid would stick around to play with him again.
 
You are right on the last part. The 13 yo terrorizes the 12 yo. For me, it seemed that after 4-5 months, I was the one to call for help. More or less I would get documents thrown at me to figure out. This was before school started. However, I now have a very sick dad to deal with.

Honestly, I can’t help to think that I have bought my child’s play dates because he is so different, no kid would stick around to play with him again.
You should try very hard to avoid thinking you bought play dates. If your son doesn’t physically harm other kids, there are other kids capable of accepting him and liking him for who he is. Rather, I think you might start thinking that this is a family in a world of hurt, no one can tell why someone that overwhelmed by life does what they do, and unfortunately what needs to be done is to let that go and put in distance for the sake of your son.

As for you, you can’t even know if you are wanted or not, and you can’t really ask because a direct question isn’t a reliable way of getting a straight answer. You’re going to have to consider what you’d want if you were wearing any of the many pairs of shoes they might be walking around in, make a guess, and act accordingly.

From the limited understanding of your situation that I have, I think hanging back and waiting to do any more help until you are asked is reasonable. Whether they don’t ask because they’re jealous, because they’re embarrassed at how much you’ve already done, because they are ungrateful and expect to be waited on without so much as a thank you, or whatever–that is not important. If they want help, it is not uncharitable to expect that they will ask. If they don’t ask, conclude that you have done enough. That puts the control in their hands, as it ought to be.

What you have done out of love with no compensation will be rewarded out of Our Father’s own coffers. Have no fear of that. I’m suggesting you hang back not because your charity isn’t properly recognized, but because there is a chance that it is not wanted or that it might be interfering with the beneficiary’s need to self-direct. It is OK for you to let go, but let go of it all, both the concern that you ought to be intervening in the future and the feeling that you ought to have been thanked. Put that all in God’s hands, and tend to those things that you know are waiting for your attention.

BTW–with your dad’s issues to deal with, you should also not hesitate to say, “I’m sorry, I know I’ve helped in the past, but my plate is too full now. I have my dad’s things to take care of, and that has me fully occupied. I hope you’ll be able to find someone else to help you, but I can’t come to the plate for you this time. I’m sure you understand.”
 
Thank you. He does play trumpet and is quite good. But, we all need to get out of our comfort zone.
That’s great! I would also sign him up for other interesting structured things too–no pressure for him just interesting thoings that sound fun-just to expand his interests and see if there are friends out there for him to get to know. If not-then he is learning a skill.
The children in your op are emotionally acting out right now. I would let things settle with them.
Your son sounds like a great kid and it’s time to move out of victim mentality and this is not possible do this by associating with them right now.

Empower your son to be the confident young man that God made him to be.
 
We’re so blessed to have such lovely people responding to hurtful needs CAF, to encourage and get Members through hurtful and confusing times.

What of the people suffering alone who don’t know who to ‘vent’ to and have no support or helpful advice.

May God lead them to such kind and inspiring people as are found in CAF

God bless you all.
 
We’re so blessed to have such lovely people responding to hurtful needs CAF, to encourage and get Members through hurtful and confusing times.

What of the people suffering alone who don’t know who to ‘vent’ to and have no support or helpful advice.

May God lead them to such kind and inspiring people as are found in CAF

God bless you all.
Happy to say our Church does outreach as a work of mercy. However, this is so true…this grounded me because the homeless need this more than me. Perhaps I could look in those directions.
 
I did undergraduate at University of Southern California (Thematic Option and Resident Honors program–so honors and an early entrance), Peace Corps in Russia, then MA “somewhere in Pennsylvania” (bailed on the doctorate) where I met my future husband.

Funny story:

At one point my husband was interviewing at USC. He mentioned to his interviewers that his wife was a USC alum. Interviewer said, “Our standards are much higher now.” Alrighty, then!
OMG…you must hate me! I mean…USC-ND games are the bomb. Our schools hate each other…it’s so awesome!

I bailed on Ph.D. to put hubby through grad school. We wanted no school debt because toxic families stink and we never wanted to have to ask for a bail-out from either of our families. Basically, we feel good about that aspect of ourselves. Of course, we are extremely boring. But my alter ego is on Twitter, esp during Notre Dame games. You would never know I am the insecure mom I present here. ND brings out the best in me.
 
Thank you. He does play trumpet and is quite good. But, we all need to get out of our comfort zone.
That gave me an idea.

I don’t know if you have any small colleges or universities in your area. If you do, you might look into what sort of band options they offer. I know that your son is young, but my alma mater had both a community band and a community chorale. These groups contained everyone from music students to retirees who enjoyed dabbling a bit in chorale or band music, and were a very nice way to meet a wide variety of people from all sorts of backgrounds. The band director would have wanted to meet with him to make sure he was mature and capable of handling the music, but if the director was satisfied as to those points, your son would have been welcome to join. Best of all, aside from minimal music purchase costs (usually around $15/semester), it was free! While my alma mater was a fairly small school, I can’t imagine it’s the only such place that had that kind of program. You might ask your son’s trumpet instructor if he/she knows of something like that!

I specifically mention an amateur/adult mix because I can tell you from personal experience that more professional or youth orchestras/bands/music groups can be quite nasty–lots of cliques, backbiting, and so on. However, those two groups I mentioned seemed pretty much free of that nonsense, and in my experience, groups which involve adult amateurs usually are: they’re in it for the fun, not for rivalry or because a prof required it.
 
OMG…you must hate me! I mean…USC-ND games are the bomb. Our schools hate each other…it’s so awesome!

I bailed on Ph.D. to put hubby through grad school. We wanted no school debt because toxic families stink and we never wanted to have to ask for a bail-out from either of our families. Basically, we feel good about that aspect of ourselves. Of course, we are extremely boring. But my alter ego is on Twitter, esp during Notre Dame games. You would never know I am the insecure mom I present here. ND brings out the best in me.
Not a big football fan.

At least back in the day, the cross-town USC-UCLA rivalry was a bigger deal. Students used to drag little teddy bears around.
 
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