Can Jesus be called Shiva?

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I have no problem with those terms being applied to Christ.

**The Church does.

And calling Vishnu or Shiva or other names of Satan “titles” of Jesus does not make them so.**
 
No. He cannot be associated with any other god. He does not fit into any mythology.

I understand the Hindu position on this. Personally, however, I find it insulting.
 
Saint Brigid was a human person.

Tsuzuki,

There is no such thing as a Mormon Rite within the Catholic Church. Perhaps you would like to invent one, but it does not exist. The different rites within the Catholic Church are recognized by Rome. Mormonism is a pantheist heresy which may be why you are enamored of Hinduism. Syncretism, the attempt to blend the different religions of the world and their gods and doctrine with Chrisitanity was condemned by the Catholic Church very early on. The reason Christiainty was hated in the Roman Empire was that Christians condemned all other religions as false and useless. They said only Jesus could save souls and only the Church had His message. You can not be both Mormon and Catholic. The religions are incompatible. They contradict one another. Logic says one or both must be false. You will ultimately have to choose which is true and which is false. If you persist in trying to cling to both it will be impossible to know God. The god of the Mormons is not the God of the Catholic Church. Only one can be true God. Try as you will you can not harmonize the teachings of both religions, much less try to harmonize Hinduism and Christianity.
 
Until someone has read a decent chunk of Hindu scripture I dont think people should be saying its false simply because its not Christian. here is a list

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hindu_scriptures

You can say its false, but you’d be commiting intellectual suicide.
I’m not familiar with much of the Hindu scriptures, but I don’t doubt there must be some degree of genuine truth in them.

I also think the same was true of the religion of ancient Rome to which I am much more familiar, but that nevertheless did not stop St Paul under the Spirit’s inspiration to declare that they worshipped demons.

St Augustine wrote that the demons taught genuine religious truths alongside their lies in order to better deceive their victims.

I also suspect that if the religion of ancient rome existed today as a major religion we would be conducting an interreligious dialogue with it, and finding things to respect in parts of their teaching.

There is truth in non-christian religion, but no one will ever come to know God in any other belief systems. As Jesus told the Samaritan woman

John 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

Idolatrous religions are not entirely false, but that does not change the fact that the object of worship is the devil and not the true God.
 
Is it Catholic teaching that the “false gods” that people of other religions believe in are actually demons? If so where can I find it in Scripture and/or Catechism? Thank you!
My understanding is that JPII recognized Muslims and Jews, both of which religions strictly forbid idolatry as a sin, can worship the true God who is One God.

The quote from Psalms would have referred to all the nations around Israel at that time, which all did worship idols.

Hinduism tolerates some of the grossest abuses of idolaty though, and idolatry is an honouring of demons and not of God.

In scripture to make shorter something I already quoted:

1 Corinthians 10:19-20 What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons.

And in terms of the church’s teaching, I don’t know if there is anything in catechism that says all the gods are demons, but I do know that one can find this said in any number of the writings of the church fathers and doctors. And the catechism does recognize idolatry as against the first commandment (look up articles 2112-2114).

In India there was an inquisition in Portuguese controlled Goa that used to execute Hindus would worshipped idols within the city’s jurisdiciton for a few centuries. I think that the church would probably apologize for the killings today, but it nevertheless remains true that the church has recognized what occurs in that religion to be something evil for a very long time.

This may also be of useful reference:

fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1543xavier1.html
 
It does not matter to me if Hinduism allows it or even claims it. The fact is the Christianity CAN NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM be considered 100% compatible with Hinduism. Therefore, Jesus is not, cannot be, will never be, was never, and just plain ain’t Shiva
 
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I missed something. Which pagan Irish god became a saint?
Brigid**

Exactly the sort of thing said by people who know nothing of Church history.
 
This is the story of a woman who converted willingly from Hinduism to Christianity:

I was just sixteen when two events set the course of my life. I came to Dominican Catholic Convent in San Rafael (California) and encountered Christianity for the first time. The same year I also encountered Hinduism in the person of a Hindu monk, a Swami, who was shortly to become my guru or teacher. A battle had begun, but I wasn’t to understand this for nearly twenty years.

At the convent I was taught the basic truths of Christianity. Here lie the strength of the humble and a snare to the proud. St. James wrote truly: God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble (4:6). And how proud I was; I wouldn’t accept original sin and I wouldn’t accept hell. And I had many, many arguments against them. One Sister of great charity gave me the key when she said: “Pray for the gift of faith.” But already the Swami’s training had taken hold, and I thought it debasing to beg anyone, even God, for anything. But much later, I remembered what she had said. Years later the seed of Christian faith that had been planted in me emerged from an endless sea of despair.

In time the nature of the books that I brought back to school with me, all in plain covered wrappers, was discovered. Books like the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, the Vedantasara, the Ashtavakra Samhita… In part my secret was out, but nothing much was said. No doubt the Sisters thought it would pass, as indeed most of the intellectual conceits of young girls do. But one bold nun told me the truth. It’s a very unpopular truth and one that is rarely heard today. She said that I would go to hell if I died in Hinduism after knowing the truth of Christianity. Saint Peter put it this way: For by whom a man is overcome, of the same also he is the slave. For if, flying from the pollutions of the world, through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they be again entangled in them and overcome, their latter state is become unto them worse than the former. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of justice, than after they have known it, to turn back from that holy commandment which was delivered to them (2 Peter 2:19-21). How I despised that Sister for her bigotry. But if she were alive today I would thank her with all my heart. What she told me nagged, as truth will, and it was to lead me finally to the fullness of Holy Orthodoxy.

The important thing that I got at the convent was a measuring stick, and one day I would use it to discover Hinduism a fraud.

**To read the rest of the story, click on this link and follow the rest of them:

orthodoxphotos.com/readings/future/attractions.shtml

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Dear Ahimsa, Jesus taught that He alone is the one to follow. God became man and rose from the dead to save us. Therefore do not seek to find new names for Him. Rather, follow Him. You are invited to become Catholic. There is plenty at Catholic.com to explain the faith to you.
 
Therefore do not seek to find new names for Him.

**If you call me Armadilloface, will I answer?

No. Because that’s not my name.

If you call out to Shiva, Vishnu, or Kali, do you REALLY think Jesus will answer?

No.

There is only ONE Name given by which we may be saved.**
 
Why would anyone want to call Jesus Shiva, considering that Vishnu has more similarities with Jesus than that Hindu god (as the article even says)?

As an aside, to answer the question: No. Shiva (or Brahma or Amaterasu or Ksitigarbha or Zeus or Mithras) is not Jesus’ name. Why would one want to call someone other than their real names? To identify Jesus with another religion’s deity would be syncretism. It doesn’t matter if it’s okay with the Hindus as we are not Hindus, but Christians.
 
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Originally Posted by ralphinal View Post
I missed something. Which pagan Irish god became a saint?
Brigid**

Exactly the sort of thing said by people who know nothing of Church history.
I would be insulted if I had not known that you are prone to hyperbole. I have never seen proof that Brigid was not real. Nor have I seen convincing proof that she was a pagan goddess
 
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