Can magic be caused by thoughts?

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So I heard something about “sex magic” that satanists do when they have sex. I started to worry that some sinful sexual things I did in the past(masturbation/fantasizing/fornication/etc.) might have caused this “sex magic” so I very unintelligently looked info on this “sex magic” stuff on Wikipedia so perhaps I might find info that would reassure me that I didn’t do anything magical.

I came across something on there that has really upset me.

**Liber IAO - IAO. Sexual Magick. Gives three methods of attainment through a willed series of thoughts. **

magic attained by a series of thoughts? what does that even mean?

I’m worried now that back when I was lusting in my past sinful days that somehow I accidentally attained magic through the sexual thoughts I had! (I don’t know what that “series of thoughts” is nor did I bother to do further research on it)…I even worry now that I will open up magic powers just by having random thoughts that are accidentally the “sex magic” attaining thoughts!..

am I overreacting?

How can magic be attained by thought?

Is there anyway to avoid this?

I know this sounds crazy, but its a legit worry of mine right now:blush:

Please help me
 
There are many different schools of thought on how to perform magick. Using sex in the ritual is just one method, but probably the one that makes us cringe the most when we think about it.

The key issue here though is performing magick. What does it involve, and why does God forbid it? We know from 1 Samuel that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. Personally I think that God abhors witchcraft so much because when we practice it we are looking to other sources to supply our needs besides Him. Witches, through force of Will, try to use energies and whatever other means they have at their disposal to get what they want.

In contrast, a child of God simply has to ask. He is our Father, and knows our needs before we ask Him. Often though we are not satisfied having simply our needs met, or trusting in God to take care of us, and we are tempted to reach out in our own strength to get what we want. Or even worse, we make deals with “other” authority figures in exchange for what we feel we need.

If you were not trying to use sexual energies to accomplish spiritual objectives in opposition to the Will of the Father, then I doubt you managed to perform any type of magick. If however you did, then simply repent, and don’t do it again! 🙂
 
Are you for real? Just go to confession and stop thinking about this nonsense!
 
hamandcheese said:
Are you for real? Just go to confession and stop thinking about this nonsense!
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Please be kind. Ben suffers from scruples. It’s very very difficult for him to just “stop thinking” about things like this.
 
Dear OP, please read my following response to another poster as it is also indirectly in response to your inquiry:
Tobias65 said:
Witches, through force of Will, try to use energies and whatever other means they have at their disposal to get what they want.
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I tried using force of will to pull up a decaying wisdom tooth. The thing is still there and there’s now a bit of slight swelling. (It’s not as painful anymore but still, no force of will is shrinking this swollen part of my gums. :rolleyes:)

So much for magic eh? I prefer the actual term: superstition. Nonsense. True supernatural activity is so rare, it’s no wonder people doubt its existence. Make it common however and it ceases to be supernatural or otherwise even miracles would lose their grandeur.
Tobias65 said:
In contrast, a child of God simply has to ask. He is our Father, and knows our needs before we ask Him. Often though we are not satisfied having simply our needs met, or trusting in God to take care of us, and we are tempted to reach out in our own strength to get what we want.
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So God is a nanny and a wet nurse for us? Makes me wonder why we have to work so hard. (And as a side note, one would think Divine Providence would be more aligned with human dignity than the bare-bones simplicity of poverty that is often confused with it.)
Tobias65 said:
Or even worse, we make deals with “other” authority figures in exchange for what we feel we need.
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“Other” authority figures? Hm, not sure what you mean by the quotation marks honestly but my managers and supervisors are authority figures. If I don’t make deals with them to fulfill my terms of employment, I would be committing both the sin of sloth and failing my God-given duty as a son.

Now back to the OP:

No, magic cannot be attained by thought. You work more magic by doing some actual labor by coupling it with your hands. (Better than that lustful fantasizing your talking about to be honest, even though I myself can be one to talk. :o)

Otherwise, my company would be some big, fancy guild and I’m the known for using magic to evolve myself into some element-eating wyrmkin. :rolleyes:
 
The “Law of Attraction” has to do with one’s thoughts and is magic. Having anything to do with it is forbidden by the Church and is a sin. I wouldn’t doubt that what you say that the Satanists are doing with their thoughts could be magic as well. I am not saying that you have engaged in magic. I have no idea what you have done.
 
Please speak to a priest. I will say it again, because it is very important: Please speak to a priest!

Also, do yourself a favor and refrain from researching topics like this on the internet. I can only imagine what kind of websites and pictures would pop up by doing a search for “sex magic”. That is an accident waiting to happen!

Again, please speak to a priest.
 
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I’m worried now that back when I was lusting in my past sinful days that somehow I accidentally …
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Of course the answer is talk to a priest. But if you are scrupulous (and it seems pretty clear that you are), if you ever catch yourself saying these words to yourself, mentally kick yourself and repeat this phrase over and over:
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It is impossible to accidentally commit a mortal sin. It is impossible to accidentally commit a mortal sin.**

Mortal sin is by its nature the purposeful and free doing of something known to be gravely wrong. And in your particular example this applies even more so: you can’t be guilty of attempting magic unless you consciously try to do magic and you clearly didn’t.

Further, all sins are forgiven at confession unless you specifically and purposefully don’t confess all your mortal sins. So even if you could have committed some magic related sin (which you couldn’t have, not even having been thinking of magic at the time), then it would have been forgiven because you did not (presumably, since the thought only recently occurred to you) specifically decide not to mention it.

So if you still think there is any chance that there was some extra magic-related sin to what you’ve already confessed (and there wasn’t, based on what you’ve written here), the answer is still the same: know that any such (non-existent) sins have already been forgiven, and simply mention it to a priest next time you go to confession (if you are still very concerned - although the link below suggests that you simply try not worry about doubtful sins at all, and not confess them either because it’s unhealthy to dwell on such things).

(And that’s not even to address that magic isn’t really a real thing, or at least not this “law of attraction” positive thinking mental energy nonsense. It’s supperstitious, which is bad, and can lead into trying dangerous stuff, which is worse, but the supernatural is divided pretty neatly into miracles from God and demons messing with people, and neither one actually happens just because of an idle thought.)

You may find this link helpful if you haven’t run across it already: mission.liguori.org/newsletters/scrupulosity.htm
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
No, magic cannot be attained by thought. You work more magic by doing some actual labor by coupling it with your hands. (Better than that lustful fantasizing your talking about to be honest, even though I myself can be one to talk. :o)
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Sorry to disagree, but I believe it can.

In almost all cases, there will be some sort of demonic action taking place, and ultimately you can become posessed. That’s what witchcraft is all about.

I know of several people who initially starting dabbling in the magick thing innocently but it eventually caught up with them and ruined their lives. It is absolutely real.

That’s why the Church teaches us to pray for our needs, not to attempt to obtain them directly with such methods.
 
Cirdan_XII said:
Sorry to disagree, but I believe it can.

In almost all cases, there will be some sort of demonic action taking place, and ultimately you can become posessed. That’s what witchcraft is all about.

I know of several people who initially starting dabbling in the magick thing innocently but it eventually caught up with them and ruined their lives. It is absolutely real.

That’s why the Church teaches us to pray for our needs, not to attempt to obtain them directly with such methods.
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I understand witchcraft is Sorcery. The Greek word is Pharamikia which is linked to Pharmacy. Administration of drugs/Medication. Some Pentecostal Christians try to claim the medical profession is witch doctors using Sorcery.
This particularly troubled me because i have to use life saving medication for medical conditions that i have got. These sort of Pentecostal Christians would claim i am sinning and Practising Sorcery using medication Prescribed by a doctor.
Some of them died rather then taking medication from a doctor. I ask if one has been shown to have a living parasite in the body by a Microscope and the parasite will kill them. Then they was given ant-parasite medication by a doctor to kill the parasite and it saved their life. How is that Sorcery ?

Perhaps thousands of years ago when medication was used to heal people or treat symptoms. because some people did not understand what was going on they must have thought it was some kind of Witchcraft Sorcery Magic. Which is superstition.
 
Catholics and their scruples, man. Have people always been this neurotic? You’re fine, dude. Place your attention somewhere more useful.
 
I’m beginning to suspect that the kind of scrupulousness I’ve been seeing on this forum is more harmful and disordered than sin itself.
 
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