Can magic be caused by thoughts?

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Scrupulosity is disordered and causes lots of people pain that is bad, and may in some cases predispose one to behaviors that make salvation harder rather than easier. Sin is a terrible thing that causes much pain and hinders salvation. I think we can all agree there and leave it at that without need for further argument.
 
Sorry to disagree, but I believe it can.
People like the Penn and Teller pair wouldn’t exist if your belief was all it took to prove things true. Sadly for you, magic isn’t some force of will mumbo-jumbo or otherwise I’d be the first in line to exploit it and have it enhanced.
I know of several people who initially starting dabbling in the magick thing innocently but it eventually caught up with them and ruined their lives. It is absolutely real.
If you’re going to give me another exorcist story, best save your time. You call possesion and mentally cracked ritualism ‘magic’? The OP described using magic via force of will, the sheer power of thought. As some people have said, this is closer to the whole Law of Attraction fad and at best, all it teaches you is to look more on the bright side of things.

It doesn’t teach you to summon demons or manipulate people’s hormones.
That’s why the Church teaches us to pray for our needs, not to attempt to obtain them directly with such methods.
The Church also teaches us that not even prayer is substitute for getting off our lazy behinds and relying on the attributes of God’s image and likeness.
 
So I heard something about “sex magic” that satanists do when they have sex. I started to worry that some sinful sexual things I did in the past(masturbation/fantasizing/fornication/etc.) might have caused this “sex magic” so I very unintelligently looked info on this “sex magic” stuff on Wikipedia so perhaps I might find info that would reassure me that I didn’t do anything magical.

I came across something on there that has really upset me.

Liber IAO - IAO. Sexual Magick. Gives three methods of attainment through a willed series of thoughts.

magic attained by a series of thoughts? what does that even mean?

I’m worried now that back when I was lusting in my past sinful days that somehow I accidentally attained magic through the sexual thoughts I had! (I don’t know what that “series of thoughts” is nor did I bother to do further research on it)…I even worry now that I will open up magic powers just by having random thoughts that are accidentally the “sex magic” attaining thoughts!..

am I overreacting?

How can magic be attained by thought?

Is there anyway to avoid this?

I know this sounds crazy, but its a legit worry of mine right now:blush:

Please help me
I believe magic can be attained through thoughts, but it’s time to confess your sins and move on.
 
Sadly for you, magic isn’t some force of will mumbo-jumbo or otherwise I’d be the first in line to exploit it and have it enhanced.
Just to say you tried but failed does not prove it can’t be done. If you tried to fly to the moon but failed, does that prove the moon landings never occurred?
If you’re going to give me another exorcist story, best save your time. You call possesion and mentally cracked ritualism ‘magic’? The OP described using magic via force of will, the sheer power of thought.
It depends how you define power of thought. Your thoughts alone can’t do much but if you say they do nothing at all ever, then you are also saying prayer is useless.
It doesn’t teach you to summon demons or manipulate people’s hormones.
Depends what you mean by summon. Just taking an unnatural interest in demons can be enough under conditions.
The Church also teaches us that not even prayer is substitute for getting off our lazy behinds and relying on the attributes of God’s image and likeness.
Don’t tell me you can’t see the difference between doing work and messing with demons.
 
So I heard something about “sex magic” that satanists do when they have sex. I started to worry that some sinful sexual things I did in the past(masturbation/fantasizing/fornication/etc.) might have caused this “sex magic” so I very unintelligently looked info on this “sex magic” stuff on Wikipedia so perhaps I might find info that would reassure me that I didn’t do anything magical.

I came across something on there that has really upset me.

Liber IAO - IAO. Sexual Magick. Gives three methods of attainment through a willed series of thoughts.

magic attained by a series of thoughts? what does that even mean?

I’m worried now that back when I was lusting in my past sinful days that somehow I accidentally attained magic through the sexual thoughts I had! (I don’t know what that “series of thoughts” is nor did I bother to do further research on it)…I even worry now that I will open up magic powers just by having random thoughts that are accidentally the “sex magic” attaining thoughts!..

am I overreacting?

How can magic be attained by thought?

Is there anyway to avoid this?

I know this sounds crazy, but its a legit worry of mine right now:blush:

Please help me
I bet you have confessed those sins already and they are forgotten & forgiven. So please perish those thoughts.
 
I’m not worried about sinning…I’m worried about damaging my mind, body, or soul with magic by accidentally thinking one of these thoughts that cause magic.
 
Don’t trip, bro. If you must waste the precious gift of your life on worry, at least have the courtesy to worry about real problems.
 
Now try masturbating vigorously while focusing on the penis. Keep it up and see what happens.
We’re talking magic, not sex (which apparently seems to be a favorite subject of yours here).
Just to say you tried but failed does not prove it can’t be done. If you tried to fly to the moon but failed, does that prove the moon landings never occurred?
Are you suggesting that man has the capacity to manipulate the physical world with thought? If so, we either lack the technology or you need to review your highschool science.

Either way, it only goes to show that ‘magic’ will cease to be supernatural, using your example. It will cease being sinful as well.
It depends how you define power of thought. Your thoughts alone can’t do much but if you say they do nothing at all ever, then you are also saying prayer is useless.
Thoughts can drive actions and perhaps feed certain behaviors but without anything like the latter, thoughts alone are useless. Just because I think of shooting a beam of lightning doesn’t mean I will. You’re complicating something that’s simple enough for a twelve-year-old to understand.
I’m not worried about sinning…I’m worried about damaging my mind, body, or soul with magic by accidentally thinking one of these thoughts that cause magic.
Your thoughts do not cause magic. Period.
 
Are you suggesting that man has the capacity to manipulate the physical world with thought?
For certain specific values of the meaning of those words, yes.
If so, we either lack the technology or you need to review your highschool science.
This has nothing to do with technology. Are you so materialistic as to believe that nothing can be without technology?
Either way, it only goes to show that ‘magic’ will cease to be supernatural, using your example. It will cease being sinful as well.
This is playing with semantics. It adds nothing to the actual argument.
Thoughts can drive actions and perhaps feed certain behaviors but without anything like the latter, thoughts alone are useless. Just because I think of shooting a beam of lightning doesn’t mean I will. You’re complicating something that’s simple enough for a twelve-year-old to understand.
So you are suggesting the power of prayer relies soley on psychology, conditioning and the imagination, rather than on real external forces that come into play in response to your prayer? That’s not a very Catholic point of view. Are you going to tell us that the miracles and the Resurrection were just science and technology as well?
 
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” — Arthur C. Clarke

Aleister Crowley, they guy who put the “k” at the end of magic to distinguish it from stage magic, defined magick as:
“the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will”

He makes no distinction between mundane actions and those which are mysterious or otherworldly.

In the Bible, we see witchcraft equated with rebellion.

1 Samuel 15:22 So Samuel said:
“Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
He also has rejected you from being king.”


So it seems that neither Science, the Occult, nor the Bible have a definitive answer to explain what magick is. 🙂

The Bible simply equates it with rebellion. Using force of will to blackmail your boss is rebellion against God’s laws. Using a spell to try to accomplish the same task is witchcraft. Making deals with the devil for favors is also witchcraft, just like making promises to do evil things for a drug lord in exchange for money – except we’d call that something different.

Practicing magick (whatever that entails) is only evil in that it is an act of rebellion against God. It cannot happen unintentionally. In that I mean, rebellion cannot happen unintentionally. Rebellion is a conscience choice to disobey God. Magick happens all the time. According to the broad definition of the word, we do it every day! And most people in the occult will tell you right away that prayer is a form of magick according to how they see things.
 
I’m not worried about sinning…I’m worried about damaging my mind, body, or soul with magic by accidentally thinking one of these thoughts that cause magic.
This is not something you can do accidentally. Please go talk to your priest. He will set your mind at ease.
 
For certain specific values of the meaning of those words, yes.

This has nothing to do with technology. Are you so materialistic as to believe that nothing can be without technology?

This is playing with semantics. It adds nothing to the actual argument.

So you are suggesting the power of prayer relies soley on psychology, conditioning and the imagination, rather than on real external forces that come into play in response to your prayer? That’s not a very Catholic point of view. Are you going to tell us that the miracles and the Resurrection were just science and technology as well?
Like we pray to God for our needs and God helps us. Satanist will pray to the devil for their wants of Riches Power over people etc etc. Do you think the devil gives them their wants ?
 
I’m not worried about sinning…I’m worried about damaging my mind, body, or soul with magic by accidentally thinking one of these thoughts that cause magic.
Not possible. Especially not by accident. Again, magic in this sense isn’t a real thing: there are no mysterious forces you can manipulate with your thoughts.

There are demons. And trying to do magic may invite them to mess with you. But again, your thoughts are in your head, and demons can’t even see them. So no. Unless you start purposefully messing around with trying to do magic, there is no risk of it “working” (ie a demon realizing that it’d be a good trick to mess with you).
 
Not possible. Especially not by accident. Again, magic in this sense isn’t a real thing: there are no mysterious forces you can manipulate with your thoughts.

There are demons. And trying to do magic may invite them to mess with you. But again, your thoughts are in your head, and demons can’t even see them. So no. Unless you start purposefully messing around with trying to do magic, there is no risk of it “working” (ie a demon realizing that it’d be a good trick to mess with you).
I’m confused.

There are people on here who say it can happen (Tobias, Cirdan, Robert) and people who say it can’t (Wanderer, you, Joe,etc.)
 
Not possible. Especially not by accident. Again, magic in this sense isn’t a real thing: there are no mysterious forces you can manipulate with your thoughts…
As someone else has already pointed out, we can commune with God through our thoughts. This is true even when we do not believe in God. All ‘magic’ can be reduced to trickery, but it’s really does cause problems when combined with other tools of the devil, such as classical conditioning.
 
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