Try it. Only way to know for sure.
For the most part, the people warning against it appear to be reacting against a commonly held (and incorrect) viewpoint that it’s harmless to dabble in the occult. It is wrong to dabble in the occult for various reasons, but idle thoughts are not dabbling in the occult.
Communing with God is not magic. God can read our minds. God allows Saints and angels to receive our mental prayers. Demons cannot read our minds. Nor can our minds affect the world around us in any magical way.
I never intended to imply that communing with God was magic! All I was inferring was that our thoughts can have external effects.All magic is an illusion based on Satan. That’s all, but I believe that Satan can use our thoughts to condition ourself and make it appear as magic. Satan is a master of classical conditioning, which often involves thoughts.
Except that Satan can’t read our thoughts. Yes, he’s smart. Yes, he can make educated guesses based on our actions. Yes, he’ll do all that he can to tempt us. But no: an idle thought of ours will not have any unintentional magical effects (what the op was asking).
Mental disorders are from ‘accidental’ mental magic. Same goes for sexual perversions. Satan may not know our thoughts, but he certainly has a strong effect on our psyche and subsequent abnormal behavior…
No, this is not magic. This is not the mind having direct control over the environment. Those things are a combination biology, reaction to environment and conscious purposeful giving in to temptation.
Now you’re being obscure, which really proves my point. If you can’t get point A to point B without having to put spiritualism in between, you are indeed proving that thoughts alone are insufficient to manipulate anything.
No, I am saying that if technology can exploit it, then it ceases to be supernatural. How can you replicate something that is supposedly stand for some higher truth or power? You can’t. It would lose its value that way because it has been reduced to something we will eventually see everyday.
The game of semantics has already been part of the argument from the start. You just pretend it’s not there and are not losing.
I repeat: If you would replicate supernatural events, they case being supernatural. Miracles included. Following the OP’s logic, it can no longer be supernatural if so-called ‘magic’ was possible merely by thought.
But then, you are only rebelling yourself against the social factors that determine the meaning of words. Magick is not synonymous with sinful/rebellious behavior. We define it the latter. Period. Come back when society has turned around to changing the dictionary to your liking, then you’ve got a case.
This is correct. However I will mention. When we sin we open ourselves to further attack from a demon spirit. When we focus on sin to the point of obsession that is one step closer on a path leading to full on posession. What’s important to realise is that when you confess that sin and ask for forgiveness, Jesus DOES forgive you. Accept it. Then think of that sin no more. Understand that any demon that was justified to harrass you because of that sin, has now had that door slammed in his face. He no longer has a claim to you and will need to wait for you to sin again before he can do anything other than put thoughts in your head.
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What, because I haven’t said that I agree with you, you think I don’t grasp what you are saying? lolBut then, you are only rebelling yourself against the social factors that determine the meaning of words. Magick is not synonymous with sinful/rebellious behavior. We define it the latter. Period. Come back when society has turned around to changing the dictionary to your liking, then you’ve got a case.
Right now, it doesn’t sound like you fully grasp what me and Iron Donkey are saying. Thoughts do not cause ‘magic’ any more than they give us mutant powers.
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May I also add that rebellion itself is a semantically loose word. It’s not sinful, especially when Christians were rebels in their own right.
You are the one who keeps on insisting brining technology into this, and then acting as if you’ve proven something because your own narrow self-defined criteria are not being met…
Again, this is purely your own definition. There are things that cannot be replicated but they are not miracles in the normal sense of the word. Likewise, there are miracles that happened several times to different individuals (how many lepers did Jesus heal?) and yet they are still doubtlessly miracles.I repeat: If you would replicate supernatural events, they case being supernatural. Miracles included. Following the OP’s logic, it can no longer be supernatural if so-called ‘magic’ was possible merely by thought.
Pot, kettle, black
No it would not. When the steam engine was invented, it was not called magic. People were quick to accept the principle. Likewise with the telephone, the automobile or virtually every invention. In fact I cannot think of a single instance of any technology being broadly mistaken by magic for any length of time, no matter how far advanced it was. The aboriginals of North America were quick to figure how how to use guns for example.
If we assume that the change caused by prayer is purely inside us, then that is akin to saying
What about medicine? Take a pill, and your pain goes away. Go to a hospital, and they can sew a body back together that’s been damaged in an accident that would normally be the end.
I do see a lot of atheism in Christianity.
Yes, and see that we are in the midst of yet another revolution, this time the digital revolution. How does it all happen? So much that cannot be seen.
As much as you’d like to think so, He doesn’t do it as often as anyone would like. It’s why prayer is best for conversation and I personally don’t get my hopes up for anything else anymore.
And my beliefs regarding their thoughts on ‘magic’ are just the same. They’re just talking to someone with a shadier business record on the other side. But again, they’re probably even a worse investment bet and hence, I highly doubt mere thoughts can strike a conversation, let alone a bargain.
If you think my criteria is narrow, you need a new dictionary like the rest of those who think magic is just about dancing in circles and worshiping Satan.
Can you replicate Jesus? I didn’t think so. Thanks for proving my point.
Man, and they say I take my own words too seriously.
Your understanding of time-gaps is, frankly, childish. People didn’t call the steam engine magic because they were already being schooled in the developments leading up to it.