Can man see God and live?

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One can be mistaken or speak in a different sense without intending to lie. Those who saw Jesus face to face saw God face to face, for example, but even so what they saw was the human nature. The quote that one cannot see God face to face is in reference to the totality of the Divine Nature, which by the way doesn’t have a literal face. And even then, Jesus’ human nature through Jesus as a person saw God in his totality “face to face.” We really need to dive deeper into the context.
 
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No, not errors. It is completely without error or deception:

““Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures” (CCC 107, quoting the Vatican II document Dei Verbum 11).”

(Emphasis mine)

The OT is, however, not a history text. It is a collection of writings written by specific people at specific times for specific audiences, and these things must be considered when interpreting those writings.
 
Delphinus said:
No, not errors. It is completely without error or deception:

““Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures” (CCC 107, quoting the Vatican II document Dei Verbum 11).”

(Emphasis mine)

The OT is, however, not a history text. It is a collection of writings written by specific people at specific times for specific audiences, and these things must be considered when interpreting those writings.
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Jacob saying he saw God face to face (and lived) means just that.
John 1:18 [No man hath seen God at any time] contradicts that
I’m asking seriously as a Catholic, why?
 
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Delphinus:
No, not errors. It is completely without error or deception:

““Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures” (CCC 107, quoting the Vatican II document Dei Verbum 11).”

(Emphasis mine)

The OT is, however, not a history text. It is a collection of writings written by specific people at specific times for specific audiences, and these things must be considered when interpreting those writings.
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Jacob saying he saw God face to face (and lived) means just that.
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Does it? (ten characters)
 
Here’s Haydock’s commentary on the passage.
Ver. 24. A man, &c. This was an angel in human shape, as we learn from Osee xii. 4. He is called God, v. 28. and 30, because he represented the person of the Son of God. This wrestling, in which Jacob, assisted by God, was a match for an angel, was so ordered, (v. 28.) that he might learn by this experiment of the divine assistance, that neither Esau, nor any other man, should have power to hurt him. It was also spiritual, as appeareth by his earnest prayer, urging, and at last obtaining the angel’s blessing. Ch. — The father will not refuse a good gift to those who ask him with fervour and humility. Jacob had before set us an excellent pattern how to pray, placing his confidence in God, and distrusting himself, v. 9. &c. H. — It is not certain, whether Jacob remained alone on the northern or on the southern banks of Jaboc. C.
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Here’s Hosea (Osee) 12:4
3 The Lord has a dispute with Judah,
and will punish Jacob for his conduct,
and repay him for his deeds.
4 In the womb he supplanted his brother,
and in his vigor he contended with a divine being;
5 He contended with an angel and prevailed,
he wept and entreated him.
At Bethel he met with him,
and there he spoke with him.
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Uriel1 said:
Jacob saying he saw God face to face (and lived) means just that.
John 1:18 [No man hath seen God at any time] contradicts that
I’m asking seriously as a Catholic, why?
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You need to read Scripture in the context and times in which it was written. Jacob knew he had wrestled with Someone sent from God. I think he was smart enough to know that if he had literally seen and wrestled the Creator of the Universe, that he would be dead. It could have all occured in a dream or a vision, anyway. The text is not quite clear there.

Jewish writings are full of euphemisms. You’re trying to interpret it too literally.
 
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Uriel1 said:
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Wesrock:
Does it? (ten characters)
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semper_catholicus said:
Certainly not in all of his glory, no.
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So are you saying that Jacob was wrong?
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Quite possibly. Jacob wasn’t exactly the greatest man at this point in his life. He schemed with his mother to cheat his brother out of his inheritence. He was immature and rash. Part of the point of his whole arc is how he comes to maturity decades later. Or maybe he was just speaking in a different sense than is referred to elsewhere.
 
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Wesrock said:
Ver. 24. A man, &c. This was an angel in human shape, as we learn from Osee xii. 4. He is called God, v. 28. and 30, because he represented the person of the Son of God. This wrestling, in which Jacob, assisted by God, was a match for an angel, was so ordered, (v. 28.) that he might learn by this experiment of the divine assistance, that neither Esau, nor any other man, should have power to hurt him. It was also spiritual, as appeareth by his earnest prayer, urging, and at last obtaining the angel’s blessing. Ch. — The father will not refuse a good gift to those who ask him with fervour and humility. Jacob had before set us an excellent pattern how to pray, placing his confidence in God, and distrusting himself
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This is excellent.
 
ShowersofRoses said:
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Wesrock:
Ver. 24. A man, &c. This was an angel in human shape, as we learn from Osee xii. 4. He is called God, v. 28. and 30, because he represented the person of the Son of God. This wrestling, in which Jacob, assisted by God, was a match for an angel, was so ordered, (v. 28.) that he might learn by this experiment of the divine assistance, that neither Esau, nor any other man, should have power to hurt him. It was also spiritual, as appeareth by his earnest prayer, urging, and at last obtaining the angel’s blessing. Ch. — The father will not refuse a good gift to those who ask him with fervour and humility. Jacob had before set us an excellent pattern how to pray, placing his confidence in God, and distrusting himself
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This is excellent.
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So he would appear to have seen God face to face
 
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So he would appear to have seen God face to face
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You are missing the point.

He saw either the Son of God or an angel representing the Son of God.

Kind of like our priests…who are en persona christi.

In some ways, to see the face of our priest is to see the face of Jesus, who is the Son of God. They act for us en persona christi.

So it could have been an angel acting for Christ.

I don’t see the contradictions in this.
 
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If I say a person is dense and a cake is dense, I’m using the same term to mean different things. Phrases can be used in different senses. Jacob wrestled with an angel. Or an avatar, or something. God doesn’t have a physical body to wrestle with to begin with. The “face” Jacob refers to isn’t the same thing as what Moses meant.
 
To see Jesus is to have seen God face to face.

But that is different sense than what Moses or John meant.
 
I’m sorry you’re struggling with your faith, but this really isn’t a conundrum at all.
 
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