Can Mary be Sinless and Intercede for you?

[Good_Fella]

Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.

Is Mary, god? No. So how can she be good or sinless when Jesus says ONLY GOD IS GOOD?

He does NOT have parents. So, how can Mary be God’s mother?

Well, Mary did indeed give birth to Jesus. But Jesus is BOTH Man & God. The fleshly body of Jesus is Man, the Spirit that is in Him is God.

Let’s not also forget that Mary called herself a slave/servant of God, and she too prayed feverishly with the other disciples after Christ’s resurrection for the coming Holy Spirit. She Did Not pray For the others, but WITH the others. At the 1st miracle of water to wine at the wedding in Capernaum (John 2) when she informed Jesus that the wine had ran out, Jesus replied her bluntly ‘what has this concern of yours to do with me, woman’? ‘My hour has not yet come’. This incident shows clearly that Mary has no involvement with the works of God, neither does she know what God has in store.

Jesus is NOT born of woman!

Mary cannot intercede for you just like nobody can intercede for you.

God created man in his image, in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them. God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good.
Genesis 1, 27, 31
“Therefore, you are to be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
Matthew 5, 48
And coming to her, he said, “Hail, full of grace. The Lord is with you.”
Luke 1, 28
While he was speaking, a woman from the crowd called out and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that carried you and the breasts at which you nursed. He replied (alluding to his mother), “Rather blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it” (cf. Lk 1:45; Mt. 5:48).
Luke 11, 27-28

Therefore the Lord himself will give you this sign: the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Emmanuel (God with us).
Isaiah 7, 14
And the angel said to her in reply, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.”
Luke 1, 35
They were overjoyed at seeing the star, and on entering the house they saw the child (not flesh) with Mary his mother. They prostrated themselves and did him (God) homage.
Matthew 2, 10-11
“And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord (adonis = YHWH) should come to me?”
Luke 1, 43
He (not human nature on two legs) went down with them (Mary & Joseph) and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them."
Luke 2, 51
But when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to ransom those under the law, so that we might receive adoption.
Galatians 4, 4

Jesus is a divine person who assumed a human soul, mind, and will. Mother’s give birth to whole persons, not natures.

Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. Let it be done to me ( I freely consent to your will) according to your word” (cf. Gen 3:1-6).
Luke 1, 38

When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus (Lord God) said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servers, “Do whatever he tells you” (cf. Gen 3:15; Jn 19: 26-27; Rev 12:17).
John 2, 3-5

It would appear that Mary knew what her divine Son was about to do. Jesus waited for his mother to solicit him. :yup:

 

[Mannyfit75]

God created man in his image, in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them. God looked at everything he had made, and he found it very good.
Genesis 1, 27, 31
“Therefore, you are to be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
Matthew 5, 48
And coming to her, he said, “Hail, full of grace. The Lord is with you.”
Luke 1, 28
While he was speaking, a woman from the crowd called out and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that carried you and the breasts at which you nursed. He replied (alluding to his mother), “Rather blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it” (cf. Lk 1:45; Mt. 5:48).
Luke 11, 27-28

Therefore the Lord himself will give you this sign: the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Emmanuel (God with us).
Isaiah 7, 14
And the angel said to her in reply, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.”
Luke 1, 35
They were overjoyed at seeing the star, and on entering the house they saw the child (not flesh) with Mary his mother. They prostrated themselves and did him (God) homage.
Matthew 2, 10-11
“And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord (adonis = YHWH) should come to me?”
Luke 1, 43
He (not human nature on two legs) went down with them (Mary & Joseph) and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them."
Luke 2, 51
But when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to ransom those under the law, so that we might receive adoption.
Galatians 4, 4

Jesus is a divine person who assumed a human soul, mind, and will. Mother’s give birth to whole persons, not natures.

Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. Let it be done to me ( I freely consent to your will) according to your word” (cf. Gen 3:1-6).
Luke 1, 38

When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus (Lord God) said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come?” His mother said to the servers, “Do whatever he tells you” (cf. Gen 3:15; Jn 19: 26-27; Rev 12:17).
John 2, 3-5

It would appear that Mary knew what her divine Son was about to do. Jesus waited for his mother to solict him. :yup:

Thanks. I needed a break from a Non-Believer. I want someone else to answer other than myself.

 

[Good_Fella]

Thanks. I needed a break from a Non-Believer. I want someone else to answer other than myself.

My pleasure, Manny. I know how you feel. And thanks for taking the trouble to move the OP from the other thread.

It’s obvious that this unbeliever hasn’t read the entire Bible. Less than 10% of evangelicals have.

PAX :harp:

 

[Danuska]

Well, for one thing, there is no word ‘Bible’ in the Bible, so maybe you should think twice before you start reading it or believing in what it says

Second:
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

What is Church in your opinion? Or which church should I ask rather, and from many claiming to rely just on the Bible, how come they teach differnetly? Most Protestants believe in Trinity. You don’t. So where is the fault? In the Bible?

You claim to rely on the Bible, but it is not true - you rely on your own interpretation of the Bible, and that is a big differnece:

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” - 2 Peter 1:20

 

[saieditor]

I only know the Bible. Not any council.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat its mistakes…

I only know the word Trinity does not exist.

Well, if you need to say that, fine. Note that you are saying that, and none of us are.

I only know God, not any person(s).

OK.

I only know NOBODY is righteous.

According to you. Kindly refrain from speaking for the rest of us; we are all not tarred with the same brush, thanks.

That’s why God had to come in the flesh as Jesus.

Well, if that is your conclusion, then you purport to know the mind of God.

 

[Good_Fella]

Therefore the Lord himself will give you this sign: the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Emmanuel (God with us).
Isaiah 7, 14
And the angel said to her in reply, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.”
Luke 1, 35
They were overjoyed at seeing the star, and on entering the house they saw the child (not flesh) with Mary his mother. They prostrated themselves and did him (God) homage.
Matthew 2, 10-11
“And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord (adonis = YHWH) should come to me?”
Luke 1, 43
But when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to ransom those under the law, so that we might receive adoption.
Galatians 4, 4

Many Protestants contend that Mary was the mother of only the Son of Man (the flesh), not also the Son of God (the spirit), as if there were two persons coexisting in one corporeal body: Nestorianism; or that Jesus did not have a human soul, mind, and will through Mary - only appearing to be human in flesh partook from her in his Divine Spirit: Monophysitism. But they overlook the following scriptural passage:

 

[MDK]

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Insisting that God was born by Mary is B-L-A-S-P-H-E-M-Y.**

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Catholics, read the Bible for yourself before its too late.

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For lack of a better term, that post is really ignorant!

Who was Jesus the Christ?
Who was He born of?

The absolute indisputable truth for all Christians is Jesus who is God, was born of Mary. Mary gave birth to God made flesh. Mary was the person who gave birth to Jesus who is God.

How many ways do you want to say it.

The Catholic Church gave the world the Bible, and knows how it’s interpreted, and has protected the truth of God’s Word.

We who know the truth, suggest you please not just read the Bible, but learn what it means.

Even before that, just please use some sense.

 

[MDK]

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God made the gospel very simple to understand. It is US who makes is complicated. When we don’t even have to dig out the ‘meanings’ of this or that or whether grace means perfect etc etc etc. Its simple ABC. Otherwise, how do you think even tax collectors and fishermen can be saved???..

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WOW. Recommend holding off on the keyboard until your mind catches up to some truth!

If the Scriptures are easy for anyone to understand, then please tell us why Peter said differently… 2 Peter 3:16 “As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.” What is simple is determining who to believe, you or St Peter. Jesus chose and protected St Peter in regard to the Church’s teachings, so I will stay with Peter on this and other things as well.

If it’s so easy to interpret the Word of God, then please tell us how to interpret three little verses out of the NT… Matthew 16:17-19, including what language it was originally written in, what it was then translated into before the Latin Vulgate. Please tell us what form of Greek was used, was it Koine (as this is important)? Please also include the context of where Christ took His Apostles and spoke these words, why it was important, and what it meant. Please tell us how it relates to the Old Testament in regard to the Keys, stewardship, and authority. All of this is important in knowing about God’s word.

If you’ve got that down, the please tell us what it means in 1 Timothy 3:15 “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” What did the Holy Spirit intend this to mean in regard to one’s rule of faith?

Tax collectors and fishermen can be saved by listening to the pillar and ground of truth, the Church which never has taught error in faith and morals. This is why God established an infallible teaching institution, so that His Word would be preserved and taught faithfully to all. People who seek God would not need to listen to those who distort His words, like you have done in misrepresenting the meaning of His teachings.

We Catholics don’t treat God’s Holy Word as though it were a newspaper or magazine. We revere His Word, and carry it forward faithfully.

 

[janw]

A forum I posted on disappeared this a.m. started by Jesus is God. The same line of thought as this one. I believe jesusisgod and Truthfaithlove is the same person posting under a different name. If it matters.

 

[MDK]

A forumn I posted on disappeared this a.m. started by Jesus is God. The same line of thought as this one. I believe jesusisgod and Truthfaithlove is the same person posting under a different name. If it matters.

Thanks. It’s a Multiple User Disorder (mud). Truthfaithlove’s points were pretty much shown to be mud anyway.

 

[rinnie]

Here is the easiest way to look at it. Would God pick just anyone to be the Mother of the Savior of the World? I think not.

Mary was picked from God before she was even born. Her Mother Anna had given up Mary to God the moment she was in her womb. Many people don’t realize that Mary was in Church day in and day out from the moment she took a breath in this world. She was totally dedicated to God from day one.

If God could trust her to give birth to his only Son, don’t you think you could trust her to pray for you. Did Jesus not leave her for us. She was not just left to John she is the Mother of All. She is the Blessed Mother! And I thank God for her every day of my Life. She has sure helped my family through horrible times. And has come through with flying colors every single time. My Hero,

 

[MDK]

Here is the easiest way to look at it. Would God pick just anyone to be the Mother of the Savior of the World? I think not.

Mary was picked from God before she was even born. Her Mother Anna had given up Mary to God the moment she was in her womb. Many people don’t realize that Mary was in Church day in and day out from the moment she took a breath in this world. She was totally dedicated to God from day one.

If God could trust her to give birth to his only Son, don’t you think you could trust her to pray for you. Did Jesus not leave her for us. She was not just left to John she is the Mother of All. She is the Blessed Mother! And I thank God for her every day of my Life. She has sure helped my family through horrible times. And has come through with flying colors every single time. My Hero,

Very beautiful. She is the most beautiful among women, God’s greatest creation, full of God’s grace, our spiritual mother who points the way to her Son.

 

[jmcrae]

If we even doubt the Bible, how do we become Christians?

The Bible was given by the Infallible Decree of Pope Innocent I, in about 405 AD. Without this Infallible Decree, we have no Bible. For 200 years there were Councils and Synods, and arguments, over whether there is such a thing as the Bible, and if so, of what it consists, but when the Pope spoke, the argument was finished, and we had a Bible, and we knew with certainty of which books it consisted.

But if you say, there is no such thing as a Pope, and there is no such thing as an Infallible Decree, then how can you believe that we have a Bible? Since our faith that we have a Bible comes from the Infallible Decree of Pope Innocent I.

If you deny the Pope and deny Infallibility, and deny the Decree, then you must also deny the Bible - but if you say that there is a Bible, then you must also agree that there is a Pope, and that he has the ability to make Decrees that are Infallible, because these things all come together in one piece; they cannot be separated from one another.

 

[M0nkey]

I don’t know where you got that weird idea of Trinity from, about 2nd person or 3rd person etc…because God is ONE.

There lies the symptoms to your diseased theology. You simply fail to acknowledge the mystery of the blessed trinity. Look, if you don’t like mysteries the get out of Christianity.

I commend you brother read the Gospel of St. Mark. In it you will find the “mystery” of who God is, as it is fully revealed in Christ crucified.

 

[rinnie]

Here is something to really think about especially people who don’t agree with asking her for prayers.

How many of you people out there ask others PLEASE PRAY FOR ME, OR MY FATHER, MOTHER, SISTER, BROTHER ETC. NEEDS YOUR PRAYERS?

How many of you have prayer lists in your church I know many many protestant Churchs have people all call eachother;

Now how can anyone do this, and we all know we have. and then turn around and condem Catholics for asking the Mother of Christ to pray for us.

Who in this world does anyone know that could even compare to the Mother of Christ in this world that they asked to pray for them?

This is what blows my mind. We as Catholics ask the Mother of Christ, the Angels and Saints to pray for us and we are going to hell. But yet others ask people and its okay! Does this really make sense? Please just think about this!

 

[Little_Katie]

This is what I don’t understand… Why is it that people who obviously feel we Catholics are wrong or just plain nuts end up on this forum?

Are they/you looking to cause a confrontation??

Or do they/you really feel that you are doing something heroic by seeking out Catholics and trying to tell us our belief system is wrong??

I honestly feel that they/you just enjoy arguing.

Please can anyone explain this to me?

I don’t have anything to add to this topic, because several others have stated and restated all that there is to be said.

Our Lady certainly has been popular in the threads this week. This is the third or fourth thread I have seen in the last few days regarding Mary and her role in The Church.

Is the topic just ‘too juicy’ to argue over to limit to only one thread??? Hmmm.

 

[MDK]

Here is something to really think about especially people who don’t agree with asking her for prayers.

How many of you people out there ask others PLEASE PRAY FOR ME, OR MY FATHER, MOTHER, SISTER, BROTHER ETC. NEEDS YOUR PRAYERS?

How many of you have prayer lists in your church I know many many protestant Churchs have people all call eachother;

Now how can anyone do this, and we all know we have. and then turn around and condem Catholics for asking the Mother of Christ to pray for us.

Who in this world does anyone know that could even compare to the Mother of Christ in this world that they asked to pray for them?

This is what blows my mind. We as Catholics ask the Mother of Christ, the Angels and Saints to pray for us and we are going to hell. But yet others ask people and its okay! Does this really make sense? Please just think about this!

Do they wonder how Christ feels to hear people denigrate His mother? Thank you and all who love Christ, for also loving His mother. Who among us can say that they love Him more than her? Her trust in Him never wavered. What a pure expression of faith in God!

 

[adstrinity]

She not only can but She does!

 

[MDK]

She not only can but She does!

There is the simple and wonderful truth!

 

[a_mirror_dimly]

Here is the easiest way to look at it. Would God pick just anyone to be the Mother of the Savior of the World? I think not.

Mary was picked from God before she was even born. Her Mother Anna had given up Mary to God the moment she was in her womb. Many people don’t realize that Mary was in Church day in and day out from the moment she took a breath in this world. She was totally dedicated to God from day one.

If God could trust her to give birth to his only Son, don’t you think you could trust her to pray for you. Did Jesus not leave her for us. She was not just left to John she is the Mother of All. She is the Blessed Mother! And I thank God for her every day of my Life. She has sure helped my family through horrible times. And has come through with flying colors every single time. My Hero,

Well, would God pick a bunch of uneducated fisherman and tax collectors to found His Church instead of the wisest scholarly minds He could find?

Would he pick a lowly shepherd boy from a minor tribe to become king of His people instead of a great and powerful man?

Would he pick a tongue-tied exile as His voice to the captors of His people?

If there’s a consistent pattern in scripture, it is that God very, very often chooses people who are not inherently prepared for the role He has for them, so that all will see what has been accomplished and give all the glory to God and not man. My point here is this: the statement “God would only entrust a great task to a great person” doesn’t seem to hold true much at all through scripture, quite the contrary in fact.

“Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.” – 1 Corinthians 1:25