Can Mary be Sinless and Intercede for you?

[Truthfaithlove]

If anyone adds to or takes away from what John writes in Revelations will be cursed. You’re adding to and taking away from what God has revealed in his spoken word through the universal Catholic Apostolic Church, so you may be cursed.

Read Acts 15. The Church declares what is truly revealed by the Holy Spirit through the Church leaders and councils, not through the written scriptures to each and every private individual like yourself.

The Bible is not your authority. The bottom line is, you have made yourself the final arbiter of divine truth by relying solely on your own limited understanding and fallible interpretation of Scripture. You have appointed yourself as the authority to declare doctrines and establish your own anti-dogmas in contravention of 2000 years of Sacred Tradition.

Peter refers to heretical people like you who believe that their private interpretation of the scriptures is the sole medium of divine revelation:

And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.
2 Peter 3, 15-16

John 7:18 He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

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[Good_Fella]

John 7:18 He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

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“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness is like a villan with a smiling cheek.”
William Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice, l. iii. 93 [1596]

“Thus Candour’s maxims flow from Rancour’s throat, As devils, to serve their purpose, Scripture quote.”
C. Churchill, Apology 15 [1761]

“Is anyone surprised at Mr. Jonas making such a reference to such a book for such a purpose? Does anyone doubt the old saw that the Devil being a layman quotes Scripture for his own ends?”
Charles Dickens, Martin Chuzzlewit, xi [1843]

Then the devil took him to the holy city, and made him stand on the parapet of the temple, and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down. For it is written: ‘He will command his angels concerning you and with their hands they will support you, lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ "
Matthew 4, 5-6

 

[Truthfaithlove]

“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness is like a villan with a smiling cheek.”
William Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice, l. iii. 93 [1596]

“Thus Candour’s maxims flow from Rancour’s throat, As devils, to serve their purpose, Scripture quote.”
C. Churchill, Apology 15 [1761]

“Is anyone surprised at Mr. Jonas making such a reference to such a book for such a purpose? Does anyone doubt the old saw that the Devil being a layman quotes Scripture for his own ends?”
Charles Dickens, Martin Chuzzlewit, xi [1843]

Then the devil took him to the holy city, and made him stand on the parapet of the temple, and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down. For it is written: ‘He will command his angels concerning you and with their hands they will support you, lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ "
Matthew 4, 5-6

Go ahead and pour your curses. It doesn’t matter. All that I’m doing is quoting you Biblical Scriptures to show that you are NOT in compliance.

 

[Good_Fella]

Go ahead and pour your curses. It doesn’t matter. All that I’m doing is quoting you Biblical Scriptures to show that you are NOT in compliance.

Your interpretation is “not in compliance”. In fact it’s completely out of whack. :whacky:

 

[MDK]

My initial statement was not sarcastic. That’s my best understand of the question you asked, and I figured that telling you what my understanding is would be more helpful in getting us on the same page than simply stating “yes, I understand” or “no, I don’t”.

I don’t know what I could do to prove to you that my goal is not slander, and therefore I will depart from this conversation. Please forgive me any wounds which I inflicted, for they were not intended.

Peace to you, my brother in Christ

Congratulations on taking a more humble path. Humility brings us all closer to God, and that’s the only way we can truly be brothers in Christ. God bless you, and may you continue to become closer to the Way, Truth, and the Life, which is my desire as well.

 

[MDK]

By what you wrote, you show us you don’t know the way of God.

God NEVER makes a person this way or THAT way. If He did, there’d be no freedom of choice. The righteous are led by faith. Men of God get inspired, they don’t BECOME something else or suddenly have certain abilities they previously never had. All powers come from God, men of God works the will of God by allowing His will to be performed through them.

If like you say God deliberately turns a person into something/someone, then you are incriminating God into even Adam’s sins, Moses’ lapse of faith at Rephidim or even Satan’s fall from grace.

It is God’s will for mankind to be saved, if God had a deliberate hand in manipulating people into doing things, it will not require God to even will it…It just gets done, you won’t even need to preach to people. Why? Because God will tell EVERYBODY in their dreams!

*** Mary was born in sin just like all of us. By saying she was uniquely made sinless you are nullifying Christ’s salvation grace for her. If she has no sin, she would not require the blood of Christ to be saved. Additionally, her OTHER children would also be sinless or half-sinned (because of Joseph) because their mother had no original sin. You are clearly warping the entire concept of Redemption for mankind.

What jmcrae said was correct. You’ve distorted it in order to criticize it, which seems to be a trend for you.

For example, God didn’t take Mary’s free will away, did He? Otherwise, there would be no need for the Angel Gabriel to ask her anything.

Your other points continue to be flawed, and I haven’t seen the willingness on your part to even be interested in anything besides being resistant to truth, for which you seem to exhibit great zeal. Your theology is so “out there” that I have to view it as completely fictional, like Dan Brown.

 

[water]

I wouldn’t have been here if Mother Mary had not intercede for me.

aren’t you Jesusisgod?

 

[Good_Fella]

I wouldn’t have been here if Mother Mary had not intercede for me.

I understand what you mean. Apart from the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, our greatest source of divine grace, the Holy Rosary has served as a vital medium of abundant graces in my life in the Spirit. Our Blessed Mother is our Dispensatrix of Grace.

PAX :harp:

 

[MDK]

I hear all of your answers, but NONE has rebutted using Scripture!

Notice, that all you fellas are doing is telling me what the Pope had said, what the Council had said and what you believe. NOT what the Bible says!

And those very few who quote scripture swings it out of context without even pinning down on WHY those contexts used were even applicable. You simply superimposed your assumptions onto those verses.

I’ve already said and I say again, ANYBODY…that includes me of course, who deviates from what is written in Biblical Scripture is ACCURSED.

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It’s like asking… “Yes, but how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?”

What all of us Catholics hear from you is your interpretations of Scriptures, which are fallible. Are they not? All you’ve contributed is false interpretation, incorrect insinuations, and false accusations. These are worth nothing, and even less than nothing.

We give you infallible interpretations and infallible teachings. These are worth more than gold.

I along with my Catholic brothers and sisters choose wisely what is valuable and worth protecting.

 

[CatsAndDogs]

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Truthfaithlove, would you please put your religion in your profile so that we know which tradition you’re coming from?

Thanks in advance.

 

[rinnie]

With God all things are possible, but that does not mean that they came to pass. It is certainly not necessary that Mary have been sinless in order for God to come into the world as a man.

However, as to the main point I suppose what I find puzzling is that if you believe all the credit and the glory belongs to God, why are Catholics so interested in extolling the virtue of Mary herself?

We aren’t. As Catholic’s we believe in the power of intercession. We believe in Mary as our intercessor. If we are not to pray for each other and it does no good, why did Jesus say to Peter I prayed for you. Why did all of the Apostles ask for prayers, Why does Jesus say for us all to Love and pray for one another.

If Mary was not sinless why did she find Favor with God. What does that mean to you. Why is she Blessed AMONG Women. What does that mean to You? When Jesus said this is your Mother and this is your Son at the foot of the Cross, What does that mean to You?

 

[Truthfaithlove]

MDK, why did you miss out the most important part?

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to ALL men, because ALL sinned—

• Now, I am NOT assuming. I take the above as it is. Can YOU FELLAS do the same? If you so much as deviate even a little from the above declaration, you are essentially a Heretic.

There’s no way of excusing yourself from blame.

The sheer fact that you are arguing against this verse to force-fit Mary into YOUR puzzle shows something is NOT Right.

Rinnie, you asked why? We ask why not?. There’s no problem in praying for others. The main issues we are contending here is.

**1 - Mary is NOT sinless

2 - Mary is NOT the mother of God, she is the mother of the flesh that God used while He was on earth.

3 - We do not need anybody else in between us and God except Jesus Christ.**

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[Stephen_C]

I can think of one song that sums this all up…We are family.

 

[rinnie]

MDK, why did you miss out the most important part?

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to ALL men, because ALL sinned—

• Now, I am NOT assuming. I take the above as it is. Can YOU FELLAS do the same? If you so much as deviate even a little from the above declaration, you are essentially a Heretic.

There’s no way of excusing yourself from blame.

The sheer fact that you are arguing against this verse to force-fit Mary into YOUR puzzle shows something is NOT Right.

Rinnie, you asked why? We ask why not?. There’s no problem in praying for others. The main issues we are contending here is.

**1 - Mary is NOT sinless

2 - Mary is NOT the mother of God, she is the mother of the flesh that God used while He was on earth.

3 - We do not need anybody else in between us and God except Jesus Christ.**

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Okay then why does the bible say Blessed are you among women, why does it say you found favor with God, why does it say Mary full of Grace the Lord is with you.

Why doe sthe Bible say Mary is the Mother of God. Why did the Angel say you will give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus and he will be the savior of the world. So you are saying I gave birth to my Son, he came from my flesh and blood, but he is not my son, and I am not his mother. Of course my Son is not God but I did give birth to him. And did he not come from God also.

And why does Jesus tell us to pray for eachother. When we pray for eachother what good is it then. Then what you are saying is God only listens if we pray for our self correct? Because another wards if you pray for me, and I pray for you and Mary Prays for us it is all in vain. Correct because there should be no one in between us praying for us only God. I am sorry the bible and the Church says otherwise. And I am sorry Mary is the Mother of Jesus who in turn is God so i disagree with you. God picked Mary, She is without sin because she is Blessed, also is her son again BLESSED ARE YOU AMONG WOMEN AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB JESUS. What are you saying Blessed means you are a sinner.

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[rinnie]

MDK, why did you miss out the most important part?

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to ALL men, because ALL sinned—

• Now, I am NOT assuming. I take the above as it is. Can YOU FELLAS do the same? If you so much as deviate even a little from the above declaration, you are essentially a Heretic.

There’s no way of excusing yourself from blame.

The sheer fact that you are arguing against this verse to force-fit Mary into YOUR puzzle shows something is NOT Right.

Rinnie, you asked why? We ask why not?. There’s no problem in praying for others. The main issues we are contending here is.

**1 - Mary is NOT sinless

2 - Mary is NOT the mother of God, she is the mother of the flesh that God used while He was on earth.

3 - We do not need anybody else in between us and God except Jesus Christ.**

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Now I answered you why, Now you answer me why not?

 

[M0nkey]

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to ALL men, because ALL sinned—

Please read the scriptures in their full formal context. Why do you insist on reading a translation that only intensifies your disturbed theology? Some good info can be found here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4292741&postcount=113

• Now, I am NOT assuming. I take the above as it is. Can YOU FELLAS do the same? If you so much as deviate even a little from the above declaration, you are essentially a Heretic.

First of all, you have to protestant to be heretic. (Read the definition in the dictionary!) Second of all, throw away your sad cheap imitation for a bible and read from an *unbiased *source.

1 - Mary is NOT sinless

“Hail, full of grace. The Lord is with you!” - Luke 1:28

2 - Mary is NOT the mother of God, she is the mother of the flesh that God used while He was on earth.

From what I’ve read in your previous posts, you don’t even believe in the trinity. Which leads me to believe ye aren’t even Christian.

3 - We do not need anybody else in between us and God except Jesus Christ.

There is no Jesus without Mary.

 

[jmcrae]

There is no Jesus without Mary.

AMEN, brother!! (Sister?) - That’s the bottom line, right there.

 

[agnostic]

To answer the original question - based on recent events and experiences, I would have to say oh most definately yes

 

[MDK]

MDK, why did you miss out the most important part?

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to ALL men, because ALL sinned—

• Now, I am NOT assuming. I take the above as it is. Can YOU FELLAS do the same? If you so much as deviate even a little from the above declaration, you are essentially a Heretic.

There’s no way of excusing yourself from blame.

The sheer fact that you are arguing against this verse to force-fit Mary into YOUR puzzle shows something is NOT Right.

Rinnie, you asked why? We ask why not?. There’s no problem in praying for others. The main issues we are contending here is.

**1 - Mary is NOT sinless

2 - Mary is NOT the mother of God, she is the mother of the flesh that God used while He was on earth.

3 - We do not need anybody else in between us and God except Jesus Christ.**

I think we need to put the prefix “un” in front of your user name to be accurate. It’s you who miss the bigger points, and then falsely accuse us who espouse truth, of doing what you’re doing… catch all that?

Rinnie has responded to you already for these points.

I’ll add that it’s simply your interpretations that you’re presenting us with… nothing more. We know the Bible and we’re looking at the same text. What you refuse to accept is the Truth of what the Scriptures actually mean.

Right now, no sane person would regard what you say as anything more than fiction. Please tell us where your authority comes from? Are your interpretations guaranteed to be free from error? Are you even following the Sacred Scriptures when interpreting on your own? What did inspired author St Peter say about this?

See, as it is, we have absolutely not one reason to believe a word you write.

We have every reason to believe that the teachings of the Catholic Church are true, accurate, and without error in presenting the Word of God. In other words, God knows that Mary was sinless… you don’t. Jesus is God, and Mary is His mother… Mary is the mother of God. I know that blows your mind, but it’s true, just you don’t understand why it’s true. Jesus is God. Mary points the way to Him… what’s wrong with that? As long as you claim otherwise, your word will conflict with God’s Word. There’s hope for everyone, including you.

 

[Scientiphic]

I think we need to put the prefix “un” in front of your user name to be accurate. It’s you who miss the bigger points, and then falsely accuse us who espouse truth, of doing what you’re doing… catch all that?

Rinnie has responded to you already for these points.

I’ll add that it’s simply your interpretations that you’re presenting us with… nothing more. We know the Bible and we’re looking at the same text. What you refuse to accept is the Truth of what the Scriptures actually mean.

Right now, no sane person would regard what you say as anything more than fiction. Please tell us where your authority comes from? Are your interpretations guaranteed to be free from error? Are you even following the Sacred Scriptures when interpreting on your own? What did inspired author St Peter say about this?

See, as it is, we have absolutely not one reason to believe a word you write.

We have every reason to believe that the teachings of the Catholic Church are true, accurate, and without error in presenting the Word of God. In other words, God knows that Mary was sinless… you don’t. Jesus is God, and Mary is His mother… Mary is the mother of God. I know that blows your mind, but it’s true, just you don’t understand why it’s true. Jesus is God. Mary points the way to Him… what’s wrong with that? As long as you claim otherwise, your word will conflict with God’s Word. There’s hope for everyone, including you.

You did not explain WHY your view above is valid. You merely tried to say that you have every reason to believe so just like so many other people here.