…Or not. Steve, humility is a gift from God. If Our Blessed Mother went around bellowing about how sinless She was, She wouldn’t now be sinless. It is because She meekly accepted this and focused on God and not on Herself, She is Holy, Blameless, Righteous, Sinless, and Blessed among all women.
The false Protestant concepts of Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura are about 1500 years distant from the time of the Apostles. These concepts are not only unbiblical, but were never espoused and taught by the Church Fathers. On the other hand, beginning with Justin Martyr (A.D. 155) and Irenaeus (A.D. 180), the Church Fathers consistently taught Mary has a powerful intercessory role to play in salvation history as the New Eve and Mother of the Church. These ECFs could not have been consistent in their perceptions of Mary as the New Eve without a firm belief in her Assumption into heaven. The universal law of sin and the corruption of death does not apply to the free Woman of Promise first revealed in Genesis 3:15. And so the Church Fathers saw Mary as someone who has gone on ahead of us in glory as spiritual Mother to us all. True mothers are always there ready to assist their children any way they can through their loving and conscientious mediation.
Well… speaking as a mommy myself… Sometimes I get swarmed by my children and husband all at once asking "mommy! Will you make dinner? Mommy! Mommy! Where’s my shoes? " (hehe my husband is sitting right next to me, and I don’t think he noticed that I slipped him into that statement lol!)
I also know, as a mother, that no matter how many children my husband and I are blessed with…I will ALWAYS have room in my heart to love them each, individually, unconditionally.You are clearly looking at this from a simple minded perspective. Jesus says that only God is Good because at the time Jesus was human and thus also burdened with the origional sin of Adam and Eve.
The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
There is no grounds in Scripture for this kind exhortation.
No, ja4 YOU don’t know what it is, because it can only be apprehended by faith, and you have refused it. The rest of it who have embraced the full Teaching of the Apostles have no trouble finding support for these things.
You would receive the Teaching of the Apostles through the Church, which He founded and authorized to Teach it. God did produce this “work”. It is built upon the foundation of the apostles prophets, which Himself as the cornerstone.How am i going to get the “real Church’s interpretation” of Scripture when your church has never produced such a work? i wish it did…
I certainly hope so!
No, it is just an extra benefit. God is not bound by the actions of His saints, but allows them to participate in His saving grace.
Not any more so than the New Testament, which was scattered around on papyrus scrolls at the same tim.
I agree. An example would be the Bible, which is the most popular book, but was not put together until the fourth century.
I imagine that it started right around the time that Christ died. If you think for one moment that Mary was not at the foot of the cross praying her broken heart out as her Divine Son poured HIs blood out for us, you are gravely mistaken.
Jesus is fully present in His Church, and it is through the Church that He manifests Himself in the world. Mary, as the very first Christian, has a very special place in His heart and His Church.
How could you know this, not having been present at the time?
This is an awfully presumptive statement! If you have the mp3’s from the Tyrannus lectures, I will pay you top dollar! 
It was God’s decision to purify Mary so that His blood could be formed from Her body. He made her an integral part of the salvation of mankind by His choice to “become flesh” within her.
Well, we read it differently.
She does … she is a Jewish mother who has a Jewish son. What son does not heed his Mother’s request. My mother asks me to do something … and I do it … willingly … that relationship is the key. My mother asks me to talk to my brother about an issue and I do it … I intercede at her request … except the intercessor’s son happens to be God. Jesus said this at the time of his death … behold your son … behold your mother … John understood … why not you?
We are taught by the Catholic Church to test all things, just as your signature line states. We can observe your behavior over a long perid of time. As we read your posts, we can draw conclusions. RobHom has very clearly described these conclusions for you.
It is no “leap” ja4. You have not been silent here about your anti-Catholic and evangelistic agenda:
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Your agenda is quite clear, and your habit of asking all these questions is clearly motivated by a desire to point out our “errors”, not because you have any genuine interest in learning about our faith. You are right, it is a very good evangelistic approach.
Okay how can you say to be highly favored approved by God mean she is full of sin? To be accepted and Loved to mean full of sin? Or consider full Of GRACE to mean sin of any kind?I’m not ignoring you.How could i not like you???
Lets look at the meaning of this phrase and if it truly does mean without sin. Here is what the phrase means in Greek:
"Full of grace
χαριτόω charitóō; contracted charitó̄, fut. charitó̄sō, from cháris (5485), grace. To grace, highly honor or greatly favor. In the NT spoken only of the divine favor, as to the virgin Mary in Luke 1:28, kecharitōménē, the perf. pass. part. sing. fem. The verb charitóō declares the virgin Mary to be highly favored, approved of God to conceive the Son of God through the Holy Spirit. The only other use of charitóō is in Eph. 1:6 where believers are said to be “accepted in the beloved,” i.e., objects of grace.
Zodhiates, S. (2000, c1992, c1993). The complete word study dictionary : New Testament (electronic ed.) (G5486). Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers"
If you look carefully there is no mention or hint of being sinless. Also note that this is the same word used for believers in Ephesians 1:6.
Couple this with Romans 5:12 where all men including Mary were under the sentence of Adam since she to was concieved of 2 human parents.
We are taught by the Catholic Church to test all things, just as your signature line states. We can observe your behavior over a long perid of time. As we read your posts, we can draw conclusions. RobHom has very clearly described these conclusions for you.
Grace may at times give you the power to turn from sin but that does not mean you are sinless or cannot sin again. Grace does not make one sinless if they were concieved in a fallen condition that all men inherit from Adam. See Romans 5:12
The defintion has nothing to do with sin. The phrase “hail favored one” is a greeting because she was chosen by God to bring the Christ into world by God using her body to make it possible. There is no requirement on the part of Mary to be without sin to make this possible.
What does the Blessed Mother being FULL OF GRACE, have to do with Adam and Eve falling from Grace. I never said you could not fall from grace I said the Blessed Mother was Full of Grace which meant there is no room for sin. And again if the Blessed Mother was full of Grace as the bible states how could she have sin. And where in the world did it ever say she fell from Grace? And if you cannot show me where she indeed fell from Grace, she must have remained FULL OF GRACE the way the bible states which in part means sinless!
The same way that we benefit from anyone else’s. Mary is always there for us. She has adopted us into her family for the sake of her Son, Jesus, who wants to be our Brother (Jesus cannot be our Brother if Mary is not our Mother, though, right? Otherwise we’re just like a bunch of gangsters who say “brother” without really meaning anything real by that word).
It’s not a requirement, but it is eminently fitting - and since when is our God a minimalist, doing only the least amount that is required? Our God doesn’t go after the D minus - He is an A+ God, who does all of the extras, and takes care of all of the details.
